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Discussion According to @Brazil podcast 'X do Controle' Nintendo Switch 2 will release in march 2025 - Summary updated [Eurogamer is corroborating]

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darthdiablo said:
That's pretty goddamned impressive. That would mean people who purchased Switches, even years ago, still showed some activity recently.

Missing maybe only about 20 million, about one good year worth of Switch sold units, but all other 6 years are present and accounted for, figuratively.
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It’s “active Nintendo Switch users” ;)

My switch is one console but has 3 active users :D

Still impressive numbers imho.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
This is slightly different for Metroid Prime as it's made by a ton of different studios that are all likely English-speaking and many of them will be located in the US AND it has a ton of contract work.

You would think anyone would brag about working on Prime 4 if it was finished as there will be tons of people who may not work for Nintendo after this due to the nature of contract work and support studio work.

And yet there is literally nothing.
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So your rhetoric is basically "the game was made by an English-speaking studio so we should have heard about it by now".

I guess we should've also seen leaks of Bowser's Fury, Mario vs Donkey Kong, Mario Strikers Battle Leauge, etc.

Also no contractors or support studios have insight on when games release. If they were such a sensitive factor then every western studio under the sun would've seen greater leaks.
 
Decoyman said:
So your rhetoric is basically "the game was made by an English-speaking studio so we should have heard about it by now".

I guess we should've also seen leaks of Bowser's Fury, Mario vs Donkey Kong, Mario Strikers Battle Leauge, etc.

Also no contractors or support studios have insight on when games release. If they were such a sensitive factor then every western studio under the sun would've seen greater leaks.
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The support studio or contractor would have insight as to whether the game was completed.

As people are bizarrely arguing that Prime 4 has to be complete for some reason.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The support studio or contractor would have insight as to whether the game was completed.

As people are bizarrely arguing that Prime 4 has to be complete for some reason.
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Support studios and contractors are as beholden to NDAs as anyone else working on the games. Many of them might not even be hired to stick around and see the full game development through. It's silly to expect that a game is more prone to leaking just because of outsourced work. Most games these days have some form or another of outsourced work.
 
Decoyman said:
Support studios and contractors are as beholden to NDAs as anyone else working on the games. Many of them might not even be hired to stick around and see the full game development through. It's silly to expect that a game is more prone to leaking just because of outsourced work. Most games these days have some form or another of outsourced work.
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I mean, yeah, but most of those games leak too, lol.
 
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Yeah this Brazil guy doesnt know shit, switch 2 reveal this march
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I mean, yeah, but most of those games leak too, lol.
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So basically we're just back to "well other games have leaked so this should too", ignoring the fact that Nintendo has had several high profile games both from English and non-English studios be closely guarded ships until a day or two before reveal -- and this especially being the case for Retro, where no one has any insight about anything that's happened inside of the studio for the last decade except the fact that a game was cancelled that we know literally nothing about.

Gotcha. So like I said from the start, that's pretty silly.
 
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Not put this evil out there. But a good point was brought up that a 3 or 4 month delay may end up not being sufficient for nintendo to get their ducks I a row for launch due to software not being ready. Game dev can be like that sometimes, even for Nintendo. There's a non zero chance Nintendo would be left with 2 choices: another internal delay (unlikely) or launch with per game delays or relatively buggier (nah) games lined up, and rely on 3rd parties more. Probably closer to the second option if it came to that.
 
I doubt Nintendo, which can give a Masterclass in software pipeline, would randomly select a three month delay out of thin air, instead of it being substantiated by evidence of proving to be enough time to have deliverables.

Also, if FINAL FANTASY XV, which had a clusterfuck dev cycle as an open world game, could benefit from a two month delay, I'm certain Nintendo, of all people, can take advantage of an extra 90 days of work (60 if we go by approximate business days).
 
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The way I’ve interpreted it (and I know I’m not first or unique in this take) is that the ‘delay’ doesn’t necessarily mean that the launch titles aren’t ready, just that Nintendo want to make sure that they have a steady and consistent flow of games for X amount of time following launch.
 
Supreme Overlord said:
Ah, it was, but then they thought better and removed the 5 from the title, since Fusion marks a workable plot line end and Dread a beginning. Probably about as likely as that described Metroid Classics Collection titled simply Metroid.
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I wouldn't say they went back on anything. they just don't focus on numbering. the very first trailer straight up called it Metroid 5, even. "Metroid" is "Metroid", "Metroid Prime" is "Metroid Prime". if they though Dread to be anything separate, they would have designated as such
 
If this delay is confirmed, how does this happen?

I thought the whole point of the divisional consolidation was to put the structure in place so that these delays and droughts do not happen. Like, it's videogames, and I know it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but I'm disappointed all the same.

I agree with the mantra that ideally a game bakes until it is ready, so if Nintendo feels the need to do so, I would rather they be happy with their output because chances are the games will be great and we will also then be happy.

Still, I've been holding off on picking up a Switch ever since the rumours of the 'Pro' model started, thinking that I would soon have a model that could handle some of the games it currently struggles with better if I just waited a little longer. I only have the money to buy a system every 2 revisions/generations, and from a selfish standpoint it sucks to have to wait yet again - I can't justify picking up an OLED model now as the new system is so agonizingly close... Blargh.
 
LukasManak22 said:
This 2025 release speculation might be the biggest insult by a major gaming company in the past decade. I literally screamed "FUCK YOU" at my screen. I knew they haven't said anything about release timing but the hype they created with no General Direct in February made me think they were just going to surprise us with it anyway. Absolutely unacceptable to do this to us. Once they knew the whole planet is expecting late 2024, they should've release it regardless of if it's ready or not.
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If you are or are going to be a fan of Nintendo and a consumer for them literally yet useto this. They move on their own time. That's why I told people not to get into these speculation threads and buy into time frames and all of that. You will consistently be disappointed if you continue to do so.
 
Tron1 said:
If you are or are going to be a fan of Nintendo and a consumer for them literally yet useto this. They move on their own time. That's why I told people not to get into these speculation threads and buy into time frames and all of that. You will consistently be disappointed if you continue to do so.
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It's a copypasta
 
Supreme Overlord said:
Ah, it was, but then they thought better and removed the 5 from the title, since Fusion marks a workable plot line end and Dread a beginning.
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They did not.
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Also Sakamoto explicitely said that Dread was the conclusion of the narrative arc, not the beginning of a new one.


But maybe I missed something he said later?
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The biggest upgrades for Switch 1 games would be AA and higher resolutions which would be given by DLSS, but Nintendo’s games will probably need huge code changes to implement DLSS as their games don’t use TAA (which is the step where DLSS usually goes) so I’m not sure about back compat upgrades at all.
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If they didn't want to put in the work, there's still the tech there for giant resolution increases without DLSS.
 
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ILikeFeet said:
I wouldn't say they went back on anything. they just don't focus on numbering. the very first trailer straight up called it Metroid 5, even. "Metroid" is "Metroid", "Metroid Prime" is "Metroid Prime". if they though Dread to be anything separate, they would have designated as such
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boodream said:
They did not.
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Yeah, it was Metroid 5 and then they later decided better against that. Hence why it was there and then it was not. That's what I said.

boodream said:
Also Sakamoto explicitely said that Dread was the conclusion of the narrative arc, not the beginning of a new one.
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After Fusion he also said the game's conclusion reverted Samus to her previous biology,* which I found a rather unfortunate and stultifying idea at the time, and which we now all know was a silly idea.

Anyhow, narratively Fusion can work as an ending to an arc and Dread as a beginning, though it kind of does push off to the end where the major changes could have started. So maybe it's more specifically liminal, but it finally acknowledges and does the thing that seems like it would be more the start of an arc.


But my main takeaway here is that a Metroid Classics Collection -- containing games 1-4, both originals and remakes where applicable -- which Nintendo simply titles Metroid must be much more plausible and expected than I'd realized. Same with the Prime Trilogy simply titled Metroid Prime, and the expectation that Nintendo will actually decide to call Prime 4, um, mostly literally anything else -- which I was previously under the impression was considered a ludicrous idea.

So that's actually pretty rad.

... 'Cause the throughline here is essentially "Yeah, I think it would make sense to call the game something other than Prime 4" --> "I think they should just call it Metroid" --> "Nah, 'cause that's what they're calling this collection. And they're calling this other stuff like such and such."

So I'm mostly just glad to have all that confirmed now.





*it seems a lot more difficult to find this Q&A than it used to be. I'll be waiting here for someone to come in with receipts that it was a mistranslation the whole time.
 
Spring it such a shitty time, just when winter is over and you're looking forward to doing more outdoors.
Winter is perfect, cosy indoors with new console = win.
 
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So if they announce/show it in June then all thirdparties can announce their games too right?
it will be interesting to see how this goes.
 
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Christo750 said:
from December of 2023:

"Between July 2022 and June 2023, there were approximately 116 million active Nintendo Switch users worldwide, up from 105 million Nintendo accounts who had played Nintendo Switch games one or several times during the measured 12 month period."
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doest the report say something about NSO users?
 
Armoured_Bear said:
Me too but it's been confirmed my too many places now.
We sadly have to accept it.
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@SoldierDelta has made a plausible theory how the 2025 release date could be wrong:
SoldierDelta said:
I'd gladly take a mediocre first half of the year for a great second half if it meant getting a Switch 2 at the end of it all. A part of me also thinks this will be the case... maybe? The Switch 1's third party support was very strange in the first year of its life, with the biggest titles releasing in the first half of the year (outside of first-party titles) being indie games. Titles like Minecraft and Street Fighter 2 ports were headliners some months and it was fairly obvious that third-parties were expected to drop their "big titles" much later in the year. Hell, I think the first two actually big third-party titles for Switch outside of indies were Skyrim and Doom in October. Sonic Forces and LA Noire released in November also.

I think the later third-party "recommended date" (Q1 2025) is probably to either avoid leaks with the more leak-able third party companies or to avoid competition with indies and Nintendo first-parties. I'll fully admit that's copium though, there's no legit proof behind my claims, but I'm going to fight for the right to say "It's plausible maybe".
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It shows a realistic alternative interpretation of the things VGC, Brazil and Bloomber heard from their sources. Switch 2 launches in 2024 while most 3P games target Q1 2025 (since the only things sources said was that A: many games target Q1 2025; B: Nintendo briefed devs on Q1 2025). Yes, it‘s maybe unlikely, but there still are possibilities that Switch 2 delay isn‘t true. We shouldn’t write off a 2024 release yet.
 
Darknut85 said:
@SoldierDelta has made a plausible theory how the 2025 release date could be wrong:

It shows a realistic alternative interpretation of the things VGC, Brazil and Bloomber heard from their sources. Switch 2 launches in 2024 while most 3P games target Q1 2025 (since the only things sources said was that A: many games target Q1 2025; B: Nintendo briefed devs on Q1 2025). Yes, it‘s maybe unlikely, but there still are possibilities that Switch 2 delay isn‘t true. We shouldn’t write off a 2024 release yet.
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there are other news related to it that make the news about the delay (even more) believable.
 
JorgenRaft said:
A June announcement for Q1 release would feel so strange. Just to poopoo on Switch sales for 6+ months, including the holidays, which are on the decline but still solid after 7+ years. But I guess that's just how shit works out sometimes.
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you will always sacrifice something. Switch is already set yo become the most successful console ever. A not-so-good holiday sale won't affect it that much. Sony released their best PS4 game AFTER the PS5 was announced and it still sold amazingly well.
 
Guaraná said:
you will always sacrifice something. Switch is already set yo become the most successful console ever. A not-so-good holiday sale won't affect it that much. Sony released their best PS4 game AFTER the PS5 was announced and it still sold amazingly well.
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How this year goes announcement wise will either make or break that accomplishment, but it’s gonna be close regardless. And yeah, software sales obviously won’t be a huge concern either way. It’s just a question as to how it’ll affect hardware. Transitions aren’t always going to work out in the most ideal way, though.
 
I believe Brazil isn't an unreliable person, don't know why some people are acting like he is faking it or something. Him and his sources might be wrong, sure, but he isn't pulling stuff out of thin air. I do hope Nintendo doesn't press the button on the 2025 delay, though. Although there are multiple sources corroborating on that info, so it seems more likely and founded to be set in stone.

What i believe will happen is that Nintendo will have to talk about the next gen Switch on their upcoming shareholders/investors meeting in March and mention it in some sort of way. They may not need to show anything at all about it, but at least say something in the lines of "we are planning to release a new console in FY25". If the Switch was indeed shifted to release in 2025, further delaying to anything later than Q1 might just be not the best of decisions. Nintendo is aware that Switch sales are going to [naturally] keep declining, they won't hold their breath for it indefinetly... It was already internally slated for ~Q4 2023 anyways, so some extra few months might just be enough. For us, it is a ~3 month delay - to the general public, Nintendo just mentioned for the first time their new console dropping 2025.
 
Simbinha said:
I believe Brazil isn't an unreliable person, don't know why some people are acting like he is faking it or something. Him and his sources might be wrong, sure, but he isn't pulling stuff out of thin air. I do hope Nintendo doesn't press the button on the 2025 delay, though. Although there are multiple sources corroborating on that info, so it seems more likely and founded to be set in stone.

What i believe will happen is that Nintendo will have to talk about the next gen Switch on their upcoming shareholders/investors meeting in March and mention it in some sort of way. They may not need to show anything at all about it, but at least say something in the lines of "we are planning to release a new console in FY25". If the Switch was indeed shifted to release in 2025, further delaying to anything later than Q1 might just be not the best of decisions. Nintendo is aware that Switch sales are going to [naturally] keep declining, they won't hold their breath for it indefinetly... It was already internally slated for ~Q4 2023 anyways, so some extra few months might just be enough. For us, it is a ~3 month delay - to the general public, Nintendo just mentioned for the first time their new console dropping 2025.
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The meeting is in May. There is also one in June for which @Shareholder Chad will visit Japan.
 
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JorgenRaft said:
How this year goes announcement wise will either make or break that accomplishment, but it’s gonna be close regardless. And yeah, software sales obviously won’t be a huge concern either way. It’s just a question as to how it’ll affect hardware. Transitions aren’t always going to work out in the most ideal way, though.
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May to August hardware sales are usually not amazing at all.
 
Guaraná said:
you will always sacrifice something. Switch is already set yo become the most successful console ever. A not-so-good holiday sale won't affect it that much. Sony released their best PS4 game AFTER the PS5 was announced and it still sold amazingly well.
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Also supposedly Sony is releasing a PS5 Pro this year.

Even if Nintendo said nothing about the Switch 2 this year, the PS5 Pro is still a shiny new toy that cuts into sales to some degree.

So I don't think it's a big deal if they start talking about it in June. Plus if they were to do a minor price drop (like $50) for the holidays, I bet people still buy lots of them even with Switch 2 on the horizon. Especially with the promise that their games will be backwards compatible when they're ready to upgrade.
 
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JorgenRaft said:
A June announcement for Q1 release would feel so strange. Just to poopoo on Switch sales for 6+ months, including the holidays, which are on the decline but still solid after 7+ years. But I guess that's just how shit works out sometimes.
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With Nintendo having nothing releasing all year it would seem weird if they didn't try to shift focus into hyping Switch 2 games this year already. I mean it would be weird if Nintendo waited until January 2025 to show off anything positive for Nintendo fans and consumers. Hardware and software sales will tank incredibly hard whatever they do this year because they have no releases except remasters anyway.
 
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JorgenRaft said:
A June announcement for Q1 release would feel so strange. Just to poopoo on Switch sales for 6+ months, including the holidays, which are on the decline but still solid after 7+ years. But I guess that's just how shit works out sometimes.
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If the Switch is so delayed, then all of Nintendo's development partners need a solid excuse to miss software targets. They will need to release information on it so third parties can start announcing their games too.

I'm really guessing the dam will be broken too, we are going to have far more than a handful of games at launch. In which case, third parties need a lot more time to market their games. Everyone is going to want a slice of the pie here.
 
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