For now, it is. People are saying Yuzu and Citra were taken down because they were making a profit off of early access versions through Patreon. If they weren't shut down for that reason, I can see other emulators being taken down.ryujin is still on and well right
it's not just older games. why's it OK to allow people the ability to pirate and play games a week before they're out?Damn straight.
So let's fuck preservation of games forever because Nintendo hates letting people play older Nintendo games.
Before anyone jump on my throat ; I do emulation too. Like, a LOT.I don't know what's the funniest ; the people screaming that Nintendo would totally lose and was trying to scare the scene, or this post with the devs "surprised" that their emulators promoted piracy and that they never wanted to do that.
Especially not with a patch for TotK one week before release on their Patreon and a blog post promoting it.
it's not just older games. why's it OK to allow people the ability to pirate and play games a week before they're out?
Apparently yuzu had a highly regarded lawyer (so did Nintendo) Them settling like this tells me they were definitely in deep shit and would 100% have lost
They are asking a federal judge to say yes to this, specifically:
Developing or distributing software, including Yuzu, that in its ordinary course functions only when cryptographic keys are integrated without authorization, violates the Digital
Millennium Copyright Act’s prohibition on trafficking in devices that circumvent effective technological measures, because the software is primarily designed for the purpose of circumventing technological measures.
You’d be surprisedGotta be honest this seemed like an obvious outcome. Did people really think they had a fighting chance?
it would, yeah. I don't really understand how this would work in the case of a settlement thoughDoesn't this whack Dolphin too?
Posting rom is NOT going to preserve anything, it is just a sharing of pirated rom.I don't really want to downplay the major efforts made by people who want to actively engage in the levels of preservation that need to happen to keep things preserved in as much historical context as possible. I do really understand what that is. Still, I think trying to untie what having pirated media in active circulation does for preservation and media access in general from an academic setting is kinda foolish. I understand the notion of some random person going on the internet and downloading an NES rom to throw on their smartphone and going "I'm a preservationist" is really dumb. That still doesn't divorce the fact that keeping media that is no longer sold or easily accessible in circulation has been an important part of media being preserved since forever. There are several examples of film, music, and TV that would be considered lost media today if not for pirated copies of said media having existed around the time of release. Games aren't any different really.
Again, I'm not trying to downplay what the archivists and librarians and scholars of the world are doing. I'm also not trying to broad strokes paint pirates as folk heroes who are doing the hard preservation work. There's a lot of degrees to this from where I'm sitting and a reality that piracy and preservation will always be tied to each other, and I'm just going to accept it in my approach to the whole idea.
Me calculating how many copies of Octopath Traveler II I could buy with that money to artificially inflate its sales performance :I would make better use of that 2.4 million.
Nintendo would have wanted to avoid a precedent too, the case reaching court would have been a massive gamble for them too if there was even a small chance of a precedent of ‘actually, emulation software is 100% OK, you have no case against the defendant for these claimed losses’. As such there’s a lot of theatre here, in that I suspect Nintendo wanted to be seen to challenge it, but I doubt they wanted to be in court either, even if they felt this was the strongest case they’d likely have for a very long time. So we’re back in the grey area of it not really suiting anyone to have a legal precedent set anywhere on the topic due to the risk of it going heavily against either side.Another thing to consider is that this case could've potentially set a presentence, and I suspect Yuzu wanted to avoid this. If they would've lost it, even if they had a good chance to do so, it could've caused more damage to the emulation scene than just what happened here.
Ultimately legal precedent doesn't matter, especially not in the US, that shit gets over turned on a whim. What matters is eventually emulators need to be legalized by law makers for them to have true protection.Nintendo would have wanted to avoid a precedent too, the case reaching court would have been a massive gamble for them too if there was even a small chance of a precedent of ‘actually, emulation software is 100% OK, you have no case against the defendant for these claimed losses’. As such there’s a lot of theatre here, in that I suspect Nintendo wanted to be seen to challenge it, but I doubt they wanted to be in court either, even if they felt this was the strongest case they’d likely have for a very long time. So we’re back in the grey area of it not really suiting anyone to have a legal precedent set anywhere on the topic.
That’s true but companies can pursue these cases in whatever country they like. Agree that no true protection exists without legalisation, which is why Nintendo really doesn't want to be in court on the topic and forcing more legal debate on the issue, they’d rather just keep scaring people off.Ultimately legal precedent doesn't matter, especially not in the US, that shit gets over turned on a whim. What matters is eventually emulators need to be legalized by law makers for them to have true protection.
At least from that side, there's a discernible pattern that can be derived.With Nintendo, at least from what I've seen, and I may be wrong, so someone please correct me if I am, it tends to be they target things that are replacements or alternatives to what they currently offer, which Nintendo also believes infringes on their IP.
So, fan games that are nothing like the latest game are usually fine, but release a fan remake of a game the same month Nintendo does and it probably won't be ignored.
That’s true but companies can pursue these cases in whatever country they like. Agree that no true protection exists without legalisation, which is why Nintendo really doesn't want to be in court on the topic and forcing more legal debate on the issue, they’d rather just keep scaring people off.
And of course, your profile picture is AII always lol at this. You think there is a better system that works. Tell me?
I mean, their profile picture is ay / eye. already breaking rules. Do you really think they’re here in good faith?Let’s not do this in this thread.
Absolutely.Yeah, I think it's safe to say that taking that L from Galoob waaaaaaaaaay back in '92 over the Game Genie case will always make them just a bit gun-shy when it comes to the notion of letting a court rule on something of this nature.
AFAIK, Dolphin doesn't run the emulator development as some kind of profitable business (they don't even accept donations), and Dolphin doesn't target currently-released games?Doesn't this whack Dolphin too? If Nintendo dares to go for Dolphin I'm 100% done with them.
after they tried to put dolphin on steam feels like it's only a matter of time before they do something stupid and get clappedDoesn't this whack Dolphin too? If Nintendo dares to go for Dolphin I'm 100% done with them.
I think anyone who wants to do 3ds or Switch emulation should stay far away from Yuzu and Citra. It might put them behind to start their own, but you don't want to leave yourself vulnerable by trying to fork off something that has legal action against it.It's a shame to see Citra getting caught in this - hopefully somebody picks that up and continues with it.
For what it counts, this type of language usually comes moreso from lawyers than from the actual developers.or this post with the devs "surprised" that their emulators promoted piracy and that they never wanted to do that.
So I've seen this posted other places... who is this person and why are we giving their tweet credibility?
AFAIK, Dolphin doesn't run the emulator development as some kind of profitable business (they don't even accept donations), and Dolphin doesn't target currently-released games?
I always take these tweets from people with a grain of salt but posted it for more context on the situation.So I've seen this posted other places... who is this person and why are we giving their tweet credibility?
These Yuzu guys were really that stupid?
Yeah I can imagine why Yuzu didn't want this to go to discovery
Not only would Nintendo know how many people played TotK early, but literally every Switch game ever. I'm sure a bunch if 3rd party publishers would love that information too.
oh yeah they were 100% screwed
Yeah I can imagine why Yuzu didn't want this to go to discovery
Not only would Nintendo know how many people played TotK early, but literally every Switch game ever. I'm sure a bunch if 3rd party publishers would love that information too.
Okay, yeah, if this went to court, they would've been deader than dead, full stop. There would be no feigning ignorance here.
Yeah I can imagine why Yuzu didn't want this to go to discovery
Not only would Nintendo know how many people played TotK early, but literally every Switch game ever. I'm sure a bunch if 3rd party publishers would love that information too.
Yeah I can imagine why Yuzu didn't want this to go to discovery
Not only would Nintendo know how many people played TotK early, but literally every Switch game ever. I'm sure a bunch if 3rd party publishers would love that information too.
We see new emulators for old systems that could have this kinda tech in them for whatever reason.there aren't many modern emulators to begin with. ps3 took a long time to emulate
emulators used to be made by 3 guys with usernames like supersaiyanmario784, their real name with their birth year and a single cool looking word that they once saw in an anime all posting on a forum with less than 300 users. now we got full LLCs and shit with patreons raking in millions distributing someone else's work. what happenedgonna become a RETVRN guy but for this: https://famiboards.com/threads/nint...illion-times-before-release.9030/post-1025969
Folks gotta re-learn shut the fuck up Friday and stop trying to fly so close to the sun. Whether you're actually doing it for "preservation" purposes or the other reason, folks gotta accept this all exists in a vaguely shady grey area and don't make a point of poking the damn bear. Just make your emulator, download your roms, don't have a patreon, if you can you should avoid having anything public that they could even send a cease and desist to, and definitely don't post about all the stuff you're pirating in a goddam discord
I genuinely think it's irresponsible how brazen some of these devs are gettingemulators used to be made by 3 guys with usernames like supersaiyanmario784, their real name with their birth year and a single cool looking word that they once saw in an anime all posting on a forum with less than 300 users. now we got full LLCs and shit with patreons raking in millions distributing someone else's work. what happened