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Basically no matter hard I work, I don't think I will go up the corporate ladder.

If you think you have been quiet fired (Which is a very old practice, but just recently the society has been able to start putting the finger on it ) then you should either escalate with management of the person you suspect is doing this to you, request to leave the area/team or maybe look for another opportunity outside of your current organization.

Sadly, this is a thing and must be highlighted.
 
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If you think you have been quiet fired (Which is a very old practice, but just recently the society has been able to start putting the finger on it ) then you should either escalate with management of the person you suspect is doing this to you, request to leave the area/team or maybe look for another opportunity outside of your current organization.

Sadly, this is a thing and must be highlighted.
I am thinking more of looking for a new job to be honest. I hope to (hook it back to the topic) find a work coop.
 
I am thinking more of looking for a new job to be honest. I hope to (hook it back to the topic) find a work coop.
I hear you.

Just realize that if were indeed quiet fired, you leaving the company will mean that they accomplish their purpose.

Take a read a this nice article that can give more perspective:

 
I billed 5 hours for our company Christmas party.

I don’t know what ‘Quiet ______’ I’d classify this as.
 
Let’s take another look at the question of “what is socialism?"

cIn the last century socialism has, in every case, been a rebellion against oppression perpetrated by a minority class with capitalism being the most advanced such class society. In Russia in 1917 as the communist party grew in strength and ultimately led a revolution, the economy was not yet capitalist, so accordingly Lenin did not advocate a change to socialism, but rather, to what he called “state capitalism” in order to develop the productive forces and ready the country for socialism at a future time. He complied with the principle of socialism emerging from capitalism rather than the more feudalistic society of Russia.

The intention and purpose of socialism as a rebellion against oppression by capitalism, then, is not one against individuals. Socialist revolution is not a revolution against persons, but is a revolution against a relationship of production. It is aimed at ending capitalism by targeting the relationships of capitalism. And those relationships are that of employer to employee. And to end it, it is necessary and logical to end the employer’s ownership of the employee’s production, the employee’s time on the job, and the employer’s legal and material structures that permit and preserve these items of ownership in order to end the employer-employee relationship (“the means of production”).

These instances of ownership are referred to in Marxist and socialist literature as “private property”. And to end capitalist relationships it is necessary to end such “private property”.

The revolution in China and elsewhere in the 1900s failed to account for this need of ending the employer-employee relationship. Instead, they took away the existing employer-employee relationship and replaced it with a different but no less oppressive employer-employee relationship: that of the employee to the state. The state became the new employer. No power of control and democracy was put in the hands of the workers. The relationship changed hands while retaining the same oppressive employer-employee relationship. Socialism was not created. China and those other revolutions no more created socialism than did the revolution in Russia.

The question of relationships of production is why socialism is not a system in which the state owns and controls the MoP.

So why do so many dictionaries get this wrong? —Propaganda value. If the public only consumes the news of the Russian revolution as presented in the press, and consumes the continuing stories in the news which repeat and reinforce the same theme, it is very easy to be convinced that socialism is “when the state does stuff” even though it is so wrong. The public has swallowed this approach to the news without questioning it. So it has become a “truth” for the public, albeit a completely incorrect one. But it is so much easier to sour the public against the idea of the state owning and running the workplace than it would be to get the public to reject their own collective democratic ownership and control of their workplace.

Now, one point of clarification: Marx, himself, referred to an economy being administered by the state in socialist society. But carefully notice his actual wording as well as his meaning. He, in such cases, was referring to a settled, established, functioning socialist society. That will be very different from the initial or early versions of society as it begins its transition to socialism. In The Critique of the Gotha Programme Marx said the new society will be, "as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges.”

IOW it will be a gradual transition from the old to the new and not fully socialism immediately. But in time, as socialism forms and consolidates, the state will take on greater and greater responsibilities for supporting and facilitating worker ownership and control. Thus the economy will then be administered by the state.
 
I'm listening to Spotify and have been reading the writings of Lev Vygotsky, the famed Soviet psychologist on the discipline of linguistics and cultural-historical theory of psychology.

I'm also listening to a podcast on his work and form of pedagogy.



Can anyone sum up for me Lev Vygotsky's views on a person's development and his/her history of psychological development?
 
I have a lot to say on this topic, so much, but ultimately, to keep my post (relatively) succinct, I will say this, capitalism (especially the unfettered capitalism that 'Murrica is all on board for) is hellish.

Like, can you take a second to imagine going back to our ancient ancestors in the antiquity, and explaining to them - hey, in the future, your distant descendants are going to live long lives (literally 3-4x longer than yours), have great healthcare capable of countering most terrible diseases of the time, have the ability to control the climate within buildings, have the ability to access all of humankind's collective works and knowledge in a palm sized device at any time of the day, have entire forms and modes of entertainment not even conceivable to these people, have the ability to travel! To see the entire world, with a planetwide trip being a matter of hours, not days or weeks or months or years!

We have all this, and we spend very literally over 70% of our lives locking ourselves away with strangers all in pursuit of making numbers representing fucking astractions most of which we don't even have claim to, go up without really benefitting from most of those numbers going up, giving up the best years of our life when we could be traveling or having orgies or finding new ways to get high or drunk or just enjoying existing... and instead getting caught in a relentless never ending rat race just so we can justify our right to, like, exist - you know, be able to have food, or water, or clothing, or shelter, or medication, all literally the most basic things and necessities of life, but we have to earn our right to those, all while engaging in a never ending rat race that we are not beneficiaries of, and never actually getting to enjoy our lives.

They would be fucking appalled. I am appalled. What the fuck happened here? How are we as a society so broken that we have to justify our right to exist?
 
I have a lot to say on this topic, so much, but ultimately, to keep my post (relatively) succinct, I will say this, capitalism (especially the unfettered capitalism that 'Murrica is all on board for) is hellish.

Like, can you take a second to imagine going back to our ancient ancestors in the antiquity, and explaining to them - hey, in the future, your distant descendants are going to live long lives (literally 3-4x longer than yours), have great healthcare capable of countering most terrible diseases of the time, have the ability to control the climate within buildings, have the ability to access all of humankind's collective works and knowledge in a palm sized device at any time of the day, have entire forms and modes of entertainment not even conceivable to these people, have the ability to travel! To see the entire world, with a planetwide trip being a matter of hours, not days or weeks or months or years!

We have all this, and we spend very literally over 70% of our lives locking ourselves away with strangers all in pursuit of making numbers representing fucking astractions most of which we don't even have claim to, go up without really benefitting from most of those numbers going up, giving up the best years of our life when we could be traveling or having orgies or finding new ways to get high or drunk or just enjoying existing... and instead getting caught in a relentless never ending rat race just so we can justify our right to, like, exist - you know, be able to have food, or water, or clothing, or shelter, or medication, all literally the most basic things and necessities of life, but we have to earn our right to those, all while engaging in a never ending rat race that we are not beneficiaries of, and never actually getting to enjoy our lives.

They would be fucking appalled. I am appalled. What the fuck happened here? How are we as a society so broken that we have to justify our right to exist?
Or justify things that shouldn't be justified.

Like, in the old times, you lived a place and that was your spot.

Now you have to pay rent and have a title to the land and everything.

You had to literally justify where you were.
 
We have all this, and we spend very literally over 70% of our lives locking ourselves away with strangers all in pursuit of making numbers representing fucking astractions most of which we don't even have claim to, go up without really benefitting from most of those numbers going up
I have a friend who's an accountant and this is almost exactly how they describe money itself.
It kinda popped my brain to hear such a description from someone with that profession.
 
I have a lot to say on this topic, so much, but ultimately, to keep my post (relatively) succinct, I will say this, capitalism (especially the unfettered capitalism that 'Murrica is all on board for) is hellish.

Like, can you take a second to imagine going back to our ancient ancestors in the antiquity, and explaining to them - hey, in the future, your distant descendants are going to live long lives (literally 3-4x longer than yours), have great healthcare capable of countering most terrible diseases of the time, have the ability to control the climate within buildings, have the ability to access all of humankind's collective works and knowledge in a palm sized device at any time of the day, have entire forms and modes of entertainment not even conceivable to these people, have the ability to travel! To see the entire world, with a planetwide trip being a matter of hours, not days or weeks or months or years!

We have all this, and we spend very literally over 70% of our lives locking ourselves away with strangers all in pursuit of making numbers representing fucking astractions most of which we don't even have claim to, go up without really benefitting from most of those numbers going up, giving up the best years of our life when we could be traveling or having orgies or finding new ways to get high or drunk or just enjoying existing... and instead getting caught in a relentless never ending rat race just so we can justify our right to, like, exist - you know, be able to have food, or water, or clothing, or shelter, or medication, all literally the most basic things and necessities of life, but we have to earn our right to those, all while engaging in a never ending rat race that we are not beneficiaries of, and never actually getting to enjoy our lives.

They would be fucking appalled. I am appalled. What the fuck happened here? How are we as a society so broken that we have to justify our right to exist?
It looks like you started something here!

As time passes, a greater and greater share of total US income is being funneled up to the rich. They just took a huge sudden leap to higher net worth during COVID and the rich corporate elite are now inflating their prices to get more. They have proven to be insatiable. The bottom HALF of America owns only 2.37% of all wealth.

I think the SCOTUS pretty well set the new business model and goal for the rich when they said the #1 job of corporations was no longer “to provide a social good” but instead “to maximize profits for shareholders”. We have reached the ability to provide an abundance of most commodities and have the technical and economic ability to provide a far better lifestyle for everyone than we have, but instead that capacity and ability are being channelled to make the rich richer even at the expense of our national health, education, climate, product quality, water quality, and general wellbeing. For us, it’s all downhill from here folks!

The solution? Put control of production, legislation, education, and all things firmly in the hands of the people. Workers who democratically control their own place of work will not choose to pollute their community for profit.

Happy New Year. -if you can.
 
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They would be fucking appalled. I am appalled. What the fuck happened here? How are we as a society so broken that we have to justify our right to exist?
As they say, “I feel you.” This is called “alienation” in Marxian language. We feel no stake in our work. We go through the motions. How did it happen? How did it get this bad?

Capitalism started as an engine to develop productive capacity. Feudalism had solved the food production problem. Now capitalism developed to address the need for goods. It did well. Production of goods exploded. Along with it technology also developed as part of the process, and innovation along with it, brining us to where we are today. But along the way many owners of productive facilities (“The means of production” or “MoP”) became rich. And eventually this is where things went wrong. Capitalism with its enormous ability to produce goods, innovate, and develop technology, fulfilled the most pressing needs for such development. And as that need was fulfilled, capitalism was redirected from needed production to wealth production as its purpose.

Recently (in the last 40 years or so) the Supreme Court of the USA ruled that no longer was the corporate “prime directive” the providing of a social good/benefit, but rather the new “prime directive” was the maximization of profits for the shareholders. That was a significant milepost in the evolution of capitalism to a system dedicated to wealth, enrichment, and satisfaction of greed. And that is where it stands today. And that is why you and many of us are complaining as you have.

The solution? End the right to private ownership of the MoP and to private profit. Put it in the hands of the community in a structured, organized way.
 
Couldn't wait, huh?

I think, while there are not too many explicitly socialism-themed games, I can see how there's no small amount of them which are decidedly anti-capitalist and discuss the end of empire.

As an example, Final Fantasy VII is a tale about the end of empire and how it facilitated its end by harbouring fascism, and that's just the first half of the game.

Guess we played different games.The climate commentary I get. The anti nuclear commentary I get.

For me, marxism is as extremist as authoritarianism, and generally winds up as authoritarianism (with extra red sauce). The iTsNeVeRbEeNdOnERiGhT perspective is such a meme. Anti-competion, anti-growth, anti-freedom, especially regarding the freedom of expression, highly controlling. I loves my democratic republic. I find americans have such a hilarious perspective of what makes something marxist. Are libraries 'marxism'? No, they're just good for society and something that can be afforded. South Korea has universal healthcare, is that a 'marxist' country? I hope everyone understands why that's such a funny question. History aside, it's a country that has absolutely thrived on the free market. The free market has its issues of course.

I'm learning about the Stazi at the moment. Insanity. Never again.
 
Guess we played different games.The climate commentary I get. The anti nuclear commentary I get.

For me, marxism is as extremist as authoritarianism, and generally winds up as authoritarianism (with extra red sauce). The iTsNeVeRbEeNdOnERiGhT perspective is such a meme. Anti-competion, anti-growth, anti-freedom, especially regarding the freedom of expression, highly controlling. I loves my democratic republic. I find americans have such a hilarious perspective of what makes something marxist. Are libraries 'marxism'? No, they're just good for society and something that can be afforded. South Korea has universal healthcare, is that a 'marxist' country? I hope everyone understands why that's such a funny question. History aside, it's a country that has absolutely thrived on the free market. The free market has its issues of course.

I'm learning about the Stazi at the moment. Insanity. Never again.
You may want to read a couple of posts down from the one you quoted.
Here, let me help:
This post made me realize I actually mistyped and meant FFVI in my earlier post. Hehehe, oops?

And for the record, "actually existing socialism" is just as much a meme as what you've posted.
And remind me... since we're holding up South Korea as this model of thriving people due to the free market... what's a "chaebol" again? And how were they created and allowed to grow precisely? How "free" is that market really?
 
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Guess we played different games.The climate commentary I get. The anti nuclear commentary I get.

For me, marxism is as extremist as authoritarianism, and generally winds up as authoritarianism (with extra red sauce). The iTsNeVeRbEeNdOnERiGhT perspective is such a meme. Anti-competion, anti-growth, anti-freedom, especially regarding the freedom of expression, highly controlling. I loves my democratic republic. I find americans have such a hilarious perspective of what makes something marxist. Are libraries 'marxism'? No, they're just good for society and something that can be afforded. South Korea has universal healthcare, is that a 'marxist' country? I hope everyone understands why that's such a funny question. History aside, it's a country that has absolutely thrived on the free market. The free market has its issues of course.

I'm learning about the Stazi at the moment. Insanity. Never again.
"Anti-competition"

??? Are you like, an alien who has no interaction with modern society? What about capitalist America suggests to you that competitors won't be crushed by any means necessary? What suggests that the richest in the world don't lobby to keep a stronghold on the industry?

"Anti-freedom"

Did you notice how America has the greatest percentage of non-free people in the world? Did you notice that, of those free, many are paycheck to paycheck, forced to work at jobs where their rights are eroded over time, losing money hand over fist while corporations profit during the worst times we face? Did you notice that housing prices are increasing, mobility is worsening, and our right to vote, protest, and strike have been progressively weakened over time? You talk about freedom of expression, but how many politicians want to make it illegal to boycott a foreign country's product? In what country was it that a reporter was arrested for covering a horrible chemical explosion in a small village?

"Anti-growth"

What growth? People aren't growing richer, people aren't growing happier, people aren't growing smarter, people aren't growing healthier. The only thing that grows in capitalist America are the wallets of the richest few, who are also complicit in keeping people underpaid, unfulfilled, and unhealthy.

God you're silly, you're just making up qualities to apply to capitalism that are the literally the opposite of how it is. Just deciding that if the person with the boot on your neck tells you how free you are, then it must be so. You pretend like Cuba DOESN'T have a higher expected lifespan for its residents than America, or better access to healthcare. And you pretend like South Korea is thriving under a free market??

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Or justify things that shouldn't be justified.

Like, in the old times, you lived a place and that was your spot.

Now you have to pay rent and have a title to the land and everything.

You had to literally justify where you were.
If two people want to move to the same place, how do you solve it if not by price?
 
If two people want to move to the same place, how do you solve it if not by price?

Well if you go back to the really olden days, people did not have "their own place". Until the agricultural revolution people would move wherever they would find food and supplies. It could be argued that a lot of things started to go back already when humans settled. When suddenly there was the need to "defend" your property, when you were suddenly bound to that idea of "owning land", which I find in many ways already preposterous in itself.

Now we are obviously not going back to being hunter gatherers, but a start could be that having a roof over your head should be a human right and everybody should be entitled to that. Now if two people want to live in the exact same place, that is not physically going to be possible, but it doesn't have to come down to price. Hell you could make a lottery out of it, that could even lead to more mixed neighborhoods and less segretation.

A left-leaning politician here suggested that nobody should own more than the own apartment/house they live in themselves. Radical idea obviously but I like it. It's perverse what some landlords / investors (especially those owning hundreds and thousands of units) do with their power and how they are hurting society as a whole.
 
"Anti-competition"

??? Are you like, an alien who has no interaction with modern society? What about capitalist America suggests to you that competitors won't be crushed by any means necessary? What suggests that the richest in the world don't lobby to keep a stronghold on the industry?

"Anti-freedom"

Did you notice how America has the greatest percentage of non-free people in the world? Did you notice that, of those free, many are paycheck to paycheck, forced to work at jobs where their rights are eroded over time, losing money hand over fist while corporations profit during the worst times we face? Did you notice that housing prices are increasing, mobility is worsening, and our right to vote, protest, and strike have been progressively weakened over time? You talk about freedom of expression, but how many politicians want to make it illegal to boycott a foreign country's product? In what country was it that a reporter was arrested for covering a horrible chemical explosion in a small village?

"Anti-growth"

What growth? People aren't growing richer, people aren't growing happier, people aren't growing smarter, people aren't growing healthier. The only thing that grows in capitalist America are the wallets of the richest few, who are also complicit in keeping people underpaid, unfulfilled, and unhealthy.

God you're silly, you're just making up qualities to apply to capitalism that are the literally the opposite of how it is. Just deciding that if the person with the boot on your neck tells you how free you are, then it must be so. You pretend like Cuba DOESN'T have a higher expected lifespan for its residents than America, or better access to healthcare. And you pretend like South Korea is thriving under a free market??

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Touch grass!!! omg!!!
Do you think your posting style makes you look mature and worth speaking with?

America is not the world, for a start. Also, competition can take any form. It can be two food trucks.

And I'm not sure Cuba is a metric for human civilisation in any way whatsoever. You could always move there I guess. Plenty of room, people constantly trying to get out of it, isn't that a large % of Miami's population? I've seen news reports recently of Cuban asylum seekers turning up as far as Greece. Why would they want to leave if it's so amazing?

South Korea, and having lived there for years I can tell you, is probably one of the centres of the world, makes or designs a large amount of the world's hardware, and absolutely leans right in to the free market. Samsung? LG? Hyundai? Ever heard of them? Those are just the chaebols. The amount of small businesses, phone shops, restaurants, cute plastic tat to hang off your bag stores, is ridiculous. Maybe try leaving the US before posting your embarassing animu gifs.
 
Do you think your posting style makes you look mature and worth speaking with?

America is not the world, for a start. Also, competition can take any form. It can be two food trucks.

And I'm not sure Cuba is a metric for human civilisation in any way whatsoever. You could always move there I guess. Plenty of room, people constantly trying to get out of it, isn't that a large % of Miami's population? I've seen news reports recently of Cuban asylum seekers turning up as far as Greece. Why would they want to leave if it's so amazing?

South Korea, and having lived there for years I can tell you, is probably one of the centres of the world, makes or designs a large amount of the world's hardware, and absolutely leans right in to the free market. Samsung? LG? Hyundai? Ever heard of them? Those are just the chaebols. The amount of small businesses, phone shops, restaurants, cute plastic tat to hang off your bag stores, is ridiculous. Maybe try leaving the US before posting your embarassing animu gifs.
I used the US as the example because the US is, indisputably, the greatest arm of capitalism, one that enforces capitalism using violence.

That said, it's REALLY funny to say "no you should just ignore the good things about Cuba, I saw NY Times talk about how shortages (caused by the US) are making people leave Cuba". Like I guess Cubans who immigrated to the US were upset that there wasn't enough risk of death in childbirth.

Also, out of curiosity, are you a native South Korean?
 
I used the US as the example because the US is, indisputably, the greatest arm of capitalism
Europe and Asia loves them some free market too. Billions move around every day.
one that enforces capitalism using violence.
Show your work on that one, if you wouldn't mind.
That said, it's REALLY funny to say "no you should just ignore the good things about Cuba
Being alive longer is no good if your quality of life is so poor you risk your life to flee.
Also, out of curiosity, are you a native South Korean?
No, but I don't see what that has to do with anything, we are on the same page when it comes to the dangers of Marxism.
 
Europe and Asia loves them some free market too. Billions move around every day.

Show your work on that one, if you wouldn't mind.

Being alive longer is no good if your quality of life is so poor you risk your life to flee.

No, but I don't see what that has to do with anything, we are on the same page when it comes to the dangers of Marxism.
The US is frequently involved in coups, often to overthrow communist governments with governments amenable to their interests. We're still doing it even. As far as "well actually it's good to die young as long as you have a large-screen TV :)" goes, that's, uh, an interesting defense of people dying younger because healthcare is getting worse AND more expensive at the same time.

And the reason why it matters is that someone who can afford to move to and from South Korea lacks perspective because you obviously have the finances to not be affected by the crushing nature of the 'free market'.
 
The US is frequently involved in coups, often to overthrow communist governments with governments amenable to their interests. We're still doing it even. As far as "well actually it's good to die young as long as you have a large-screen TV :)" goes, that's, uh, an interesting defense of people dying younger because healthcare is getting worse AND more expensive at the same time.

And the reason why it matters is that someone who can afford to move to and from South Korea lacks perspective because you obviously have the finances to not be affected by the crushing nature of the 'free market'.
Gonna give this a manual yeag.
 
The US is frequently involved in coups
To ensure marxism take hold, but how do they benefit the free market within their own country with violence? You said they're the poster child for it.
And the reason why it matters is that someone who can afford to move to and from South Korea lacks perspective because you obviously have the finances to not be affected by the crushing nature of the 'free market'.
It was for work, flights were paid for, accommodation was provided, I've been broke as shit my whole life (except the years in SK curiously, maybe something to do with all of the commerce ocurring), womp womp.
 
To ensure marxism take hold, but how do they benefit the free market within their own country with violence? You said they're the poster child for it.

It was for work, flights were paid for, accommodation was provided, I've been broke as shit my whole life (except the years in SK curiously, maybe something to do with all of the commerce ocurring), womp womp.

Oh, so you didn't go there because you had a lot of money, you went there because you didn't run the risk of being exploited and made homeless

Do you lack so much perspective as to think that working there with guaranteed accommodations gives you perspective on what it's like to be South Korean lmao
 
To ensure marxism take hold, but how do they benefit the free market within their own country with violence? You said they're the poster child for it.

It was for work, flights were paid for, accommodation was provided, I've been broke as shit my whole life (except the years in SK curiously, maybe something to do with all of the commerce ocurring), womp womp.
You didn't have to pay rent while you were there!?
 
Oh, so you didn't go there because you had a lot of money, you went there because you didn't run the risk of being exploited and made homeless
I'm homeless right now chief. I went there because I needed a job, wanted to see the world.
Do you lack so much perspective as to think that working there with guaranteed accommodations gives you perspective on what it's like to be South Korean lmao
Yes. Because homelessness is in fact hella low in South Korea. Because goshiwons exist (which is even more commerce). You know nothing of the place, I know quite a lot, but you claim I'm the one lacking perspective.
You didn't have to pay rent while you were there!?
Nope. Part of the package. A great opportunity for all that have a degree IMO. Wonderful country. You can do a quick online TEFL, and with that and your degree which is required for your visa, you'd be good to go. I could hardly spend my monthly earnings, even when buying some gadget or another every month. And that was with eating out three times a week, which was dirt cheap because there's so many options. I'd recommend it to anyone :)
 
Nope. Part of the package. A great opportunity for all that have a degree IMO. Wonderful country. You can do a quick online TEFL, and with that and your degree which is required for your visa, you'd be good to go. I could hardly spend my monthly earnings, even when buying some gadget or another every month. And that was with eating out three times a week, which was dirt cheap because there's so many options. I'd recommend it to anyone :)
I'm begging you to consider how this might give you a skewed view on South Korean culture.
 
Do you think your posting style makes you look mature and worth speaking with?

America is not the world, for a start. Also, competition can take any form. It can be two food trucks.

And I'm not sure Cuba is a metric for human civilisation in any way whatsoever. You could always move there I guess. Plenty of room, people constantly trying to get out of it, isn't that a large % of Miami's population? I've seen news reports recently of Cuban asylum seekers turning up as far as Greece. Why would they want to leave if it's so amazing?

South Korea, and having lived there for years I can tell you, is probably one of the centres of the world, makes or designs a large amount of the world's hardware, and absolutely leans right in to the free market. Samsung? LG? Hyundai? Ever heard of them? Those are just the chaebols. The amount of small businesses, phone shops, restaurants, cute plastic tat to hang off your bag stores, is ridiculous. Maybe try leaving the US before posting your embarassing animu gifs.
you sound like me 25 years ago, only not as smart. and i was an idiot.
edit: sorry, this is not really adding anything to the conversation. i would have put together a more thoughtful response, but honestly i don't see a point here. you are sending out the worst possible signals here: tedious, shrill and combative. like, i could engage, but where's the benefit? waste of time.
 
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you sound like me 25 years ago, only not as smart. and i was an idiot.
edit: sorry, this is not really adding anything to the conversation. i would have put together a more thoughtful response, but honestly i don't see a point here. you are sending out the worst possible signals here: tedious, shrill and combative. like, i could engage, but where's the benefit? waste of time.
Excellent reply actually, manual 'Yeah!'
 
While reports of cannibalism in NK are not baseless, please do not generalize and accuse the entire nation of it. -Derachi, Red Monster, Josh5890
I'm begging you to consider how this might give you a skewed view on South Korean culture.
In what way? I lived in it. With the people. Saw hundreds every day. All well dressed, well fed, with more food choice than you can imagine, staring at very expensive devices. A few miles to the North? The baby or granparent that doesn't survive the winter goes in the stew. That happens. That's how stark the difference is.
You don't understand, free housing in SK is the perfect vantage point to understand the fact that depression rates among the elderly are skyrocketing due to rising poverty!
What has that to do with the free market? That's a declining birth rate affecting pensions. You intend to establish a Handmaid's Tale style marxist state or something?
you sound like me 25 years ago, only not as smart. and i was an idiot.
I like how people who stan for marxism are so mask off nasty. Imma keep it civil though if you don't mind. Don't like letting myself down.
edit: sorry, this is not really adding anything to the conversation. i would have put together a more thoughtful response, but honestly i don't see a point here. you are sending out the worst possible signals here: tedious, shrill and combative. like, i could engage, but where's the benefit? waste of time.
Tedious, shrill, and combative? I merely offer examples I've experienced. Perhaps you're projecting, considering you accused me of being combative, while suggesting I'm an idiot, in the very same post.
 
Please disengage, report and/or use the ignore function rather than react with hostility - PixelKnight, Josh, Derachi
In what way? I lived in it. With the people. Saw hundreds every day. All well dressed, well fed, with more food choice than you can imagine, staring at very expensive devices. A few miles to the North? The baby or granparent that doesn't survive the winter goes in the stew. That happens. That's how stark the difference is.

What has that to do with the free market? That's a declining birth rate affecting pensions. You intend to establish a Handmaid's Tale style marxist state or something?

I like how people who stan for marxism are so mask off nasty. Imma keep it civil though if you don't mind. Don't like letting myself down.

Tedious, shrill, and combative? I merely offer examples I've experienced. Perhaps you're projecting, considering you accused me of being combative, while suggesting I'm an idiot, in the very same post.
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Guess we played different games.The climate commentary I get. The anti nuclear commentary I get.

For me, marxism is as extremist as authoritarianism, and generally winds up as authoritarianism (with extra red sauce). The iTsNeVeRbEeNdOnERiGhT perspective is such a meme. Anti-competion, anti-growth, anti-freedom, especially regarding the freedom of expression, highly controlling. I loves my democratic republic. I find americans have such a hilarious perspective of what makes something marxist. Are libraries 'marxism'? No, they're just good for society and something that can be afforded. South Korea has universal healthcare, is that a 'marxist' country? I hope everyone understands why that's such a funny question. History aside, it's a country that has absolutely thrived on the free market. The free market has its issues of course.

I'm learning about the Stazi at the moment. Insanity. Never again.
I think you should look up what marxism is before talking about it or else you just sound like CIA propaganda
 
More insults with no rebuttals.

Oh and @Derachi, nowhere did I suggest that cannabilism is par for the course in NK, so I don't understand your 'feedback' message. I literally just said it happens; which it does. For those with no perspective or on the ground experience of the region, it is important that NK is not vilified in SK. They are still Koreans, cousins, family, the same ethnicity, kept apart by hateful ideology. Westerners that live in SK and are properly integrated understand this complex and emotional issue. And globally there is no other point on the globe that highlights the benefits of a democratic republic with a free market more.

I think you should look up what marxism is before talking about it or else you just sound like CIA propaganda

I am very familiar, thank you. And again, I'm not a yank, so not sure why I'd be giving la cia any attention.
 
@DuskIsHere Also I noticed you were confused when Dusa said America enforces global capitalism with violence. Here's some reading for you
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In what way? I lived in it. With the people. Saw hundreds every day. All well dressed, well fed, with more food choice than you can imagine, staring at very expensive devices. A few miles to the North? The baby or granparent that doesn't survive the winter goes in the stew. That happens. That's how stark the difference is.

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I like how people who stan for marxism are so mask off nasty. Imma keep it civil though if you don't mind. Don't like letting myself down.
Some incredible juxtaposition
 
My favorite part of the communist manifesto is when Karl Marx said under socialism people will eat each other for food
 


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