Honestly it is quite disrespectful to everyone who sacrificed everything to kick the shit out of the Nazis to say that they just got tired or bored of anything. A complete insult.
There’s a recorded phone call of Hitler shitting his pants wondering how the fuck the Soviets built so many tanks. He invaded them with the intent to wipe them off the face of the earth and without the bravery and sacrifice of the Soviet soldiers the allies would have seen millions more dead soldiers and civilians.
You don't care if his people suffer either. That's the problem here. How wretched and awful do you have to be inside to condone that kind of reprisal and mass death against innocent people who have no say in what Putin does.
Russia is not owed trade with western countries.
I'm not interested in this dishonest garbage. This isn't a game. Again, we are going to get real people who are innocent killed in massive numbers and then continue pretending we are the champions of freedom and human rights. This is terrorism.
So, then enlighten us.
Do you have examples of sanctions like this working in the past?
What makes you say that? I watched the emergency meeting of the UN Security Council last night and China's statement was a weak and empty one. Almost every other countries in the meeting had strong statements condemning Russia, China did not. I didn't see any real will to condemn Putin's actions, they called for diplomacy and didn't say anything substantial. We can assume they're watching the situation closely because of the implications it could have on their relations with Taiwan, but I don't see how China is "pissed off" at the moment.
Doing nothing is preferable than doing nothing but starving civilians.
South Africa.
That does seem like a good example. I don't know enough about the situation to say if that's what successfully ended Aparthied. The reason I would want to encourage trade is because like I said, more often than not sanctions are not effective for anything other than reinforcing the existing regime while starving people. So I think its important to consider that when saying stuff like "well it's sad that people will starve, but it has to be done".
Ok. So are you also against the calls to sanction Saudi Arabia and Israel?
You don't know me. I am socialist. I also happen to be against Russia invading Ukraine, something posters in this thread were adamant wouldn't happen.
A pro sanction socialist, that's a new one
How about the US stop selling them weapons.
Coming in here to gloat about being right is not a good look
bdsmovement.net
No it isn'tBDS Movement
The Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement works to end international support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians and pressure Israel to comply with international law.
This isn't a niche issue, BDS has been at the heart of the left's campaign for Palestinian rights for years. Sanctions are at the heart of that campaign.
That would be a form of economic sanction, as you're no longer trading military goods for money.
Is anyone proposing sanctions against these countries that are comparable to the ones being proposed against Russia?
Can you actually explain what you mean by this?
www.vox.com
"I'm a socialist, I just don't mind when capitalist fascists take over other countries, for the lols"
Did you just suggest that opposition to sanctions is support of fascism?
"Forced into"
Do you understand that your proposed solution is unlikely to stop this?
You suggested I'm a fan of starving citizens. I only replied in the same jocular manner.
? I didn't suggest it, I said it, because sanctions do that.
Do you understand that this is what your proposed solution would do?
If Putin is paranoid, what would more sanctions do? He'd just use that as further justification in his mind for doing what he's doing if paranoia is his reasoning. He'll have to double down because if he backs down he's admitting defeat.
US/Nato should not be placing troops anywhere near Ukraine. That will only escalate things
Once again, foh, dishonest cretin.
