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Discussion Socialism Discussion Thread

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Hello! Well, I may flesh this out a bit more as we go along, but I just wanted to make a general socialist discussion thread that we could use to discuss socialism, its history, theory, FAQs, etc. Welcome fellow comrades and curious passerbys!
 
I do not know this socialism thing... capitalism though? Well, obviously the best system envisioned by mankind.

Speaking of capitalism, anyone play Tonight We Riot? Keep meaning to look into it. Also looking forward to Disco Elysium on Switch.
 
I haven't played either yet, heard good things about Disco Elysium though so maybe I'll check it out sometime. I'll see if I can come up with a list of leftist games or something. A game that is not explicitly lefitst but I feel deserves recognition is Dead Cells for being developed by a workers' co-op.
 
I haven't played either yet, heard good things about Disco Elysium though so maybe I'll check it out sometime. I'll see if I can come up with a list of leftist games or something. A game that is not explicitly lefitst but I feel deserves recognition is Dead Cells for being developed by a workers' co-op.

Found this, it’s a pretty good list of games that are explicitly leftist or offer critiques of capital
 
I am a big proponent of worker coops. If we expect democracy and democratic values for our own governments, why do we uphold these very old and authoritarian structures for the places we work at?
 
Couldn't wait, huh?

I think, while there are not too many explicitly socialism-themed games, I can see how there's no small amount of them which are decidedly anti-capitalist and discuss the end of empire.

As an example, Final Fantasy VII is a tale about the end of empire and how it facilitated its end by harbouring fascism, and that's just the first half of the game.
 
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I am a big proponent of worker coops. If we expect democracy and democratic values for our own governments, why do we uphold these very old and authoritarian structures for the places we work at?
Agreed. When your livelihood isn't democratic its hard to say that you live in a democracy. Of course there are flaws with the democratic system itself from governments too but that's another story.
Couldn't wait, huh?

I think, while there are not too many explicitly socialism-themed games, I can see how there's no small amount of them which are decidedly anti-capitalist and discuss the end of empire.

As an example, Final Fantasy VII is a tale about the end of empire and how it facilitated its end by harbouring fascism, and that's just the first half of the game.
Yeah, I didn't feel like waiting, had to get in early on the socialist hype train for this place ;)
 
I am a big proponent of worker coops. If we expect democracy and democratic values for our own governments, why do we uphold these very old and authoritarian structures for the places we work at?
None of the capitalist governments are truly democratic nor do they embody democratic values. Authoritarian structures persist in the workplace because they define the structure of society under capitalism. It’s not that our places of work are out of step with the values of our society; rather, the workplace and the relationship between capital and labor dictate the values and structure of society. This is what dictatorship of the proletariat seeks to remedy. By placing the means of production into the hands of the workers, you achieve a truly democratic society.

Worker co-ops are a great way to democratize workplaces and establish unity and solidarity between workers to rebuff the attempts of capitalism to force competition between workers against their own interest over scraps.
 
What do we think about the political implications of Nancy Drew: Alibi in Ashes? It ultimately sets the current blame on an individual, but between Alexei, the townsfolk, and Toni it certainly has a bleak view of American society. The fact that AiA in particular has such a traditional 1950's aesthetic makes me think this can't be a coincidence.

Of course, the story is only possible because of a "good cop". Thoughts?
 
What do we think about the political implications of Nancy Drew: Alibi in Ashes? It ultimately sets the current blame on an individual, but between Alexei, the townsfolk, and Toni it certainly has a bleak view of American society. The fact that AiA in particular has such a traditional 1950's aesthetic makes me think this can't be a coincidence.

Of course, the story is only possible because of a "good cop". Thoughts?
Next thing you need to do is argue how gabr is socialist.
 
None of the capitalist governments are truly democratic nor do they embody democratic values. Authoritarian structures persist in the workplace because they define the structure of society under capitalism. It’s not that our places of work are out of step with the values of our society; rather, the workplace and the relationship between capital and labor dictate the values and structure of society. This is what dictatorship of the proletariat seeks to remedy. By placing the means of production into the hands of the workers, you achieve a truly democratic society.

Worker co-ops are a great way to democratize workplaces and establish unity and solidarity between workers to rebuff the attempts of capitalism to force competition between workers against their own interest over scraps.
How do you apply this to Switzerland? It's capitalist but also the most pure example of democracy, especially in those cantons where everything is 100% decided by the people.
 
None of the capitalist governments are truly democratic nor do they embody democratic values. Authoritarian structures persist in the workplace because they define the structure of society under capitalism. It’s not that our places of work are out of step with the values of our society; rather, the workplace and the relationship between capital and labor dictate the values and structure of society. This is what dictatorship of the proletariat seeks to remedy. By placing the means of production into the hands of the workers, you achieve a truly democratic society.

Worker co-ops are a great way to democratize workplaces and establish unity and solidarity between workers to rebuff the attempts of capitalism to force competition between workers against their own interest over scraps.
I never really thought about how authoritarian our workplace structure is. You have a CEO at the top that runs everything, then a board of directors/managment, and at the bottom you have the workers keeping things running. I wonder if we can break away from such a work structure? Would something like a co-op be the most democratic workplace structure? Or is there somthing better still?
 


In the US, IATSE has overwhelmingly voted for a nationwide strike. Done by a total of 60K members. It's gonna be big.
 
How do you apply this to Switzerland? It's capitalist but also the most pure example of democracy, especially in those cantons where everything is 100% decided by the people.
Considering Christoph Blocher, there's nothing pure about Swiss democracy; so long as his transformed SVP is the dominant force in Swiss politics, the Swiss live in a far-right plutocracy.
 
I never really thought about how authoritarian our workplace structure is. You have a CEO at the top that runs everything, then a board of directors/managment, and at the bottom you have the workers keeping things running. I wonder if we can break away from such a work structure? Would something like a co-op be the most democratic workplace structure? Or is there somthing better still?
Personally I think you need to remake society entirely in order to truly achieve a complete break from the hierarchical authoritarianism of capitalist structures (I.e. have communism). In the interim co-ops are a good way to ensure the protection of workers and establish worker power, if you just mean what structures can we create within capitalism that help push us towards socialism.
 
How do you apply this to Switzerland? It's capitalist but also the most pure example of democracy, especially in those cantons where everything is 100% decided by the people.
Capitalist countries cannot be “the most pure example of democracy”, because power is still held primarily by capital and not the people. Last I checked workers didn’t own the means of production in Switzerland but I’m certainly no expert on the politics or government of the country. Terrell definitely knows more than me
 
Capitalist countries cannot be “the most pure example of democracy”, because power is still held primarily by capital and not the people. Last I checked workers didn’t own the means of production in Switzerland but I’m certainly no expert on the politics or government of the country. Terrell definitely knows more than me
Not TOO terribly much other than what I'm told by people who live there, corroborated by news stories. And what I'm told is that the halls of power are corrupted by THICK veins of cash from capitalists, if they're not using that cash to run for power themselves. Plutarchy, through and through.
 
The fact that gay rights was put up to a vote says it all to be honest.
 
Some familiar faces around here...
What do we think about the political implications of Nancy Drew: Alibi in Ashes? It ultimately sets the current blame on an individual, but between Alexei, the townsfolk, and Toni it certainly has a bleak view of American society. The fact that AiA in particular has such a traditional 1950's aesthetic makes me think this can't be a coincidence.

Of course, the story is only possible because of a "good cop". Thoughts?
Hi Brock.
Jim Ryan is definitely a tory.
We've been over this, he's clearly a progressive Tory!
 
Oh hey!! Didn't expect to see more of you join here.
 
whos that, the gta IV guy? rockstar is not subtle in their characterization so the answer must be somewhere in the game
"Niko was a reckless driver before he even left his home country, as Roman comments that he is still a crazy driver. When destroying Roman's cab during Easy Fare, Roman will joke on how Niko always blows up normal cars but doesn't crash "the tanks from back home"."

He fought in the war so take that as you will. Probably a Serbian nationalist who had to issues killing Croats.
 
Never really interacted much with the socialist community on the old place but a combo of ongoing Tory hegemony here in the UK and what could charitably be called the 'opposition' being far more interested in crushing the left does things to a person's political outlook.
 
Never really interacted much with the socialist community on the old place but a combo of ongoing Tory hegemony here in the UK and what could charitably be called the 'opposition' being far more interested in crushing the left does things to a person's political outlook.
That's one of things that always makes people question what liberalism truly stands for. Liberals will gladly side with the right if they fear their comfortable standard of living is threatened in any way or form.

Here in Canada the Liberal Party will gladly spout right-wing and anti-communist points if the NDP gets too popular for their liking. And that's the Social Democrat party, let alone full-blown socialists.
 
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Liberalism's primary role is to reinforce capital. It's a political and cultural belief that emphasizes individuality above all which creates both ideal consumers and an ideal ruling class (self-made man etc.). Historically liberalism was a progressive force meant to replace feudalism, but it ended up creating another society where the majority of wealth is concentrated into a small amount, with the illusion that anybody could join that class if they worked hard enough. You could probably debate whether or not the original founders of liberalism saw that coming.

UK Labour is a good example of (neo)liberalism actively pushing out other alternatives and making it seem like the only option possible.
 
I have been trying to understand more what the right-left political spectrum even means so a friend recommended a book which explains in a "brief" way each political ideology (the book is in Spanish though.)

Supposedly a left-right system spectrum made by "Nolan" exists, which is more refined than the commonly used one, does anyone here knows of a book explaining that system?

A book in English explaining general political ideologies is cool too.
 
I have been trying to understand more what the right-left political spectrum even means so a friend recommended a book which explains in a "brief" way each political ideology (the book is in Spanish though.)

Supposedly a left-right system spectrum made by "Nolan" exists, which is more refined than the commonly used one, does anyone here knows of a book explaining that system?

A book in English explaining general political ideologies is cool too.

right = bad, left = good

you're welcome

Seriously, i really cant help you cause i got my political education by praxis (personal experience), curiosity and whatnot. It can take a lifetime to really understand different political theories in detail, but hopefully someone else here can help
 
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I have been trying to understand more what the right-left political spectrum even means so a friend recommended a book which explains in a "brief" way each political ideology (the book is in Spanish though.)

Supposedly a left-right system spectrum made by "Nolan" exists, which is more refined than the commonly used one, does anyone here knows of a book explaining that system?

A book in English explaining general political ideologies is cool too.
The Nolan Chart?


I don’t think it’s that useful. You need to see it through class analysis.
 
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Liberalism's primary role is to reinforce capital. It's a political and cultural belief that emphasizes individuality above all which creates both ideal consumers and an ideal ruling class (self-made man etc.). Historically liberalism was a progressive force meant to replace feudalism, but it ended up creating another society where the majority of wealth is concentrated into a small amount, with the illusion that anybody could join that class if they worked hard enough. You could probably debate whether or not the original founders of liberalism saw that coming.

UK Labour is a good example of (neo)liberalism actively pushing out other alternatives and making it seem like the only option possible.
I mean liberals want to take their liberty to such extrems so that nobody can enforce anything on them and their wealth, which would also mean their power.
That's why they are against any laws that protects the weak, the unfortunate and are against any taxes that would regulate them and help others that are poorer. While constantly upholding the lie, that everyone can get rich like them, even tho they got wealthy because they either participated on a scam or inherited it.
 


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