Well, for me, there is no greater justification for buying a game than "I like it."You guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
Well, for me, there is no greater justification for buying a game than "I like it."You guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
"Muh review bombs tho"
Except if you remove the blatant low scores with no constructive criticism, the mean user score for Pokémon Scarlet/Violet is still low.
Also, funnily enough Sonic Frontiers was review bombed but managed to keep its user score positive. Funny how none of you complaining about review bombs mention this huh? Oh, and by the way: both games have around 2000 user reviews, so it's not a matter of sample size.
Just because someone put on a 0/10 as a score doesn't necessarily mean it's a "review bomb". I could screenshot multiple 0/10 grades where the user actually explained his frustration.
Thinking a 0/10 grade doesn't configure as a "real" review is absolutely disingenuous. I could name a huge list of games on metacritic that are flooded with 8+ grades where there's either barely any explanation as to why the user gave such a grade or their points are incredibly biased and/or completely ignore the game's flaws.
You guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
Not gonna quote tweet bait but
I’d love to hear someone’s full 0-10 review scale and what a zero truly means in it, if somehow justified
sir, this is a battle café"Muh review bombs tho"
Except if you remove the blatant low scores with no constructive criticism, the mean user score for Pokémon Scarlet/Violet is still low.
Also, funnily enough Sonic Frontiers was review bombed but managed to keep its user score positive. Funny how none of you complaining about review bombs mention this huh? Oh, and by the way: both games have around 2000 user reviews, so it's not a matter of sample size.
Just because someone put on a 0/10 as a score doesn't necessarily mean it's a "review bomb". I could screenshot multiple 0/10 grades where the user actually explained his frustration.
Thinking a 0/10 grade doesn't configure as a "real" review is absolutely disingenuous. I could name a huge list of games on metacritic that are flooded with 8+ grades where there's either barely any explanation as to why the user gave such a grade or their points are incredibly biased and/or completely ignore the game's flaws.
You guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
The same as my scale for foodNot gonna quote tweet bait but
I’d love to hear someone’s full 0-10 review scale and what a zero truly means in it, if somehow justified
I'll let the staff speak for myselfYou guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
Staff CommunicationHey folks. We know that the topic of performance problems with Pokemon Scarlet and Violet are a hot button issue, and it’s something that a lot of people feel very strongly about. Conversations about these problems are of course encouraged, but please don’t disparage people for liking the games despite the performance. Speaking of performance, it’s ok to criticize the game’s technical issues, but let’s not imply that games development is anything other than hard work. As always, be considerate and respectful. - Red Monster, PixelKnight, Aurc
You guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
Nah, you don't need numbers at all. We have words! We shouldn't be afraid to use them!I still think you only really need a 3 point scale
We had such a great thing going with "Buy, Rent, Skip" but ofc renting is hardly an option anymore.I still think you only really need a 3 point scale:
3: this is great and if you're remotely interested you should look into it
2: this is good but has some notable issues, conditional recommend
1: mediocre, hard to recommend
Realistically for a game that is like aggressively subpar, you're not gonna play 10+ hours of it unless you're an absolute masochist I think.
When a teacher gives their student a 0/10 is it pointless? Do you unironically think that they're entitled to have their grade rounded up just for the sake of it?0/10 is a completely pointless addition as a userscore and even if there are “valid criticisms” bound to those scores, the number itself is completely vapid. It would mean that a game has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
And that in itself makes a 0/10 useless. Its one of my biggest annoyances and developments in videogame discussion over the past decade. People who give out these scores, even the rare ones detailing their disappointment, just want to shock and add very little to the discussion in the end. The put their foot down, decided something for themselves and in general think “look at me doing this, oh the edge, hear me roar”.
When in reality, these games are actually super interesting as the people who actually played the game have a very different view on the experience they had. I think it’s fascinating to see how the majority of players feel that in many aspects it’s an enormous step forward for the franchise, but the technical side keeps it from reaching greatness. I feel that these views add far more value and give me a more balanced explanation of this game.
When a teacher gives their student a 0/10 is it pointless? Do you unironically think that they're entitled to have their grade rounded up just for the sake of it?
A similar logic applies for grading media. That said, people have to understand that different reviewers have their own arbitrary grading rules - some may deduct points for flaws, others may leave it as wasted score, some use integers, others use rational numbers, others use star ratings, some may even add pity points.
Not only that, but also understand the fact that if someone gave a title a zero, they simply didn't find any value in it. The fact that they couldn't find value doesn't mean there isn't any, sure. But it's THEIR review, and in THEIR opinion, they couldn't see the appeal, doesn't matter if you did - it's the developer's problem to find a way to next time, gather the attention of that person.
Personally, having played SV recently at my friend's, would I give it a 0/10? No. I can't properly evaluate it since I haven't finished the game but so far, I'd say it's a 4.5/10 at worst, 5.5/10 at best.
1 - OST - 5/10
2 - gameplay loop - 6/10
3 - graphics - 5/10
4 - replayability - ?
5 - history - 4/10
6 - character design - 5/10
7 - map design - 3/10
8 - performance and stability - 3/10
9 - UI - 8/10
10 - price x value offered - 6/10
The point is that there's very very few legitimate 0/10s on review sites, as users only grade it that low bc they want to drag down the user score bc they hate that many users liked or loved a game they dislike or hate.When a teacher gives their student a 0/10 is it pointless? Do you unironically think that they're entitled to have their grade rounded up just for the sake of it?
A similar logic applies for grading media. That said, people have to understand that different reviewers have their own arbitrary grading rules - some may deduct points for flaws, others may leave it as wasted score, some use integers, others use rational numbers, others use star ratings, some may even add pity points.
Not only that, but also understand the fact that if someone gave a title a zero, they simply didn't find any value in it. The fact that they couldn't find value doesn't mean there isn't any, sure. But it's THEIR review, and in THEIR opinion, they couldn't see the appeal, doesn't matter if you did - it's the developer's problem to find a way to next time, gather the attention of that person.
Personally, having played SV recently at my friend's, would I give it a 0/10? No. I can't properly evaluate it since I haven't finished the game but so far, I'd say it's a 4.5/10 at worst, 5.5/10 at best.
1 - OST - 5/10
2 - gameplay loop - 6/10
3 - graphics - 5/10
4 - replayability - ?
5 - history - 4/10
6 - character design - 5/10
7 - map design - 3/10
8 - performance and stability - 3/10
9 - UI - 8/10
10 - price x value offered - 6/10
You guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
Games like Hatred absolutely deserve a 0/10Imo, people who give 0/10 to any product simply disrespect any effort that was made on something, and therefore instantly invalidate themselves by scoring with their emotions rather than a well thought out experience which could still end up a 1/10 or 2/10.
Heck, even at school back in my day the least we could get was a 1/10 for spelling your name properly.
Can that game run like at all?Games like Hatred absolutely deserve a 0/10
common meatbag WNah, you don't need numbers at all. We have words! We shouldn't be afraid to use them!
This is just a bunch of incendiary fluff. Review bombs are bad separate from Pokemon's score. I don't know and I don't care what it is. That was never the point."Muh review bombs tho"
Except if you remove the blatant low scores with no constructive criticism, the mean user score for Pokémon Scarlet/Violet is still low.
Also, funnily enough Sonic Frontiers was review bombed but managed to keep its user score positive. Funny how none of you complaining about review bombs mention this huh? Oh, and by the way: both games have around 2000 user reviews, so it's not a matter of sample size.
Just because someone put on a 0/10 as a score doesn't necessarily mean it's a "review bomb". I could screenshot multiple 0/10 grades where the user actually explained his frustration.
Thinking a 0/10 grade doesn't configure as a "real" review is absolutely disingenuous. I could name a huge list of games on metacritic that are flooded with 8+ grades where there's either barely any explanation as to why the user gave such a grade or their points are incredibly biased and/or completely ignore the game's flaws.
You guys keep on buying garbage whilst justifying it so GF and TPC keeps on shipping this trash. Simple as.
You are trying to add logic to these 0/10, that’s the point, there isn’t any. The teacher analogy does not add anything as well. Considering a teacher is there to teach and support, it wouldn’t fit his profession to completely demolish the morale of the student.When a teacher gives their student a 0/10 is it pointless? Do you unironically think that they're entitled to have their grade rounded up just for the sake of it?
A similar logic applies for grading media. That said, people have to understand that different reviewers have their own arbitrary grading rules - some may deduct points for flaws, others may leave it as wasted score, some use integers, others use rational numbers, others use star ratings, some may even add pity points.
Not only that, but also understand the fact that if someone gave a title a zero, they simply didn't find any value in it. The fact that they couldn't find value doesn't mean there isn't any, sure. But it's THEIR review, and in THEIR opinion, they couldn't see the appeal, doesn't matter if you did - it's the developer's problem to find a way to next time, gather the attention of that person.
Personally, having played SV recently at my friend's, would I give it a 0/10? No. I can't properly evaluate it since I haven't finished the game but so far, I'd say it's a 4.5/10 at worst, 5.5/10 at best.
1 - OST - 5/10
2 - gameplay loop - 6/10
3 - graphics - 5/10
4 - replayability - ?
5 - history - 4/10
6 - character design - 5/10
7 - map design - 3/10
8 - performance and stability - 3/10
9 - UI - 8/10
10 - price x value offered - 6/10
Congrats. I got this far before hitting the report button.I love how everyone here is trying to invalidate 0/10 reviews because they have either not-so-negative or even positive (lol) feelings towards this game.
Surely, there's a flock of people who didn't even waste money on SV and felt like leaving a negative review "just because".
Someone who didn't even play the game and took his time to create a metacritic account and leave a review bomb "just because" without a doubt, represents the majority of these reviews.
Source: University of Miannusota
Like goddamn, take your meds.
I love how everyone here is trying to invalidate 0/10 reviews because they have either not-so-negative or even positive (lol) feelings towards this game.
Surely, there's a flock of people who didn't even waste money on SV and felt like leaving a negative review "just because".
Someone who didn't even play the game and took his time to create a metacritic account and leave a review bomb "just because" without a doubt, represents the majority of these reviews.
Source: University of Miannusota
Like goddamn, take your meds.
Like I said, ratings are entirely subjective, if someone doesn't find any value in something they're not obliged to leave a non-zero review just for the sake of being polite and acknowledging the positive aspects of the medium. Like, how can you prove that the non-obvious review bomb 0/10s didn't have any point deduction thought behind it?
And by the way, people protesting against a piece of media they paid for by leaving a bad review is wrong because?? They're entitled to complain, even if they leave a review that doesn't reflect the thoughts of a more experienced reviewer.
Considering the main games sell very well but the side games don't, makes me think that it isn't the Pokemon themselves that sell the games but the battle system.
Like consumers need to be seeing something that tells them that they want to buy BDSP but not New Pokemon Snap, for example.
Edit: changed wording.
It might be the combination of the battle system and the Pokemon, which only the main series has.It doesn't explain the sales of Arceus; and by the same logic, every turn based RPG would sell a ton, but that's not the case.
SMT would be a phenomenon
Nah, the Pokémon are the appeal. But people want to catch and train them, which is why any game that includes those does well (it’s why Pokémon GO, Let’s Go, and Legends all did so well even though they diverge from the mainline template and battle system so much).Considering the main games sell very well but the side games don't, makes me think that it isn't the Pokemon themselves that sell the games but the battle system.
Like consumers need to be seeing something that tells them that they want to buy BDSP but not New Pokemon Snap, for example.
Edit: changed wording.
The Arceus example has already been brought up, but I think the majority opinion is that the actual battles have been not so good for a little while now. It's why people resort to things like Showdown to get the battle fix and want to see more post game battle facilities. New Snap is a spinoff and still sold fairly well despite that afaikConsidering the main games sell very well but the side games don't, makes me think that it isn't the Pokemon themselves that sell the games but the battle system.
Like consumers need to be seeing something that tells them that they want to buy BDSP but not New Pokemon Snap, for example.
Edit: changed wording.
Fair warning under the hopes that you will read it when you get back: being addicted to online discourse and doing it in the most aggressive way possible is not going to bring anything. I was there myself when I was like 14, and let me tell you, there is no eventual trophy awarded for Being Right And Angry On The Internet.I love how everyone here is trying to invalidate 0/10 reviews because they have either not-so-negative or even positive (lol) feelings towards this game.
Surely, there's a flock of people who didn't even waste money on SV and felt like leaving a negative review "just because".
Someone who didn't even play the game and took his time to create a metacritic account and leave a review bomb "just because" without a doubt, represents the majority of these reviews.
Source: University of Miannusota
Like goddamn, take your meds.
Like I said, ratings are entirely subjective, if someone doesn't find any value in something they're not obliged to leave a non-zero review just for the sake of being polite and acknowledging the positive aspects of the medium. Like, how can you prove that the non-obvious review bomb 0/10s didn't have any point deduction thought behind it?
And by the way, people protesting against a piece of media they paid for by leaving a bad review is wrong because?? They're entitled to complain, even if they leave a review that doesn't reflect the thoughts of a more experienced reviewer.
Nah, the Pokémon are the appeal. But people want to catch and train them, which is why any game that includes those does well (it’s why Pokémon GO, Let’s Go, and Legends all did so well even though they diverge from the mainline template and battle system so much).
Yeah I think you 2 are probably right.Despite how loud people can be online, I do think the appeal is just seeing new Pokemon. Usually the third versions (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) sold much worse than the initial releases. That makes me think being on the ground floor for something new new is what people want to see moreso than anything. Usually there aren't any new Pokemon in a spin-off.
That's probably how the internet feels, but I think the general audience is probably fine with the battle system.The Arceus example has already been brought up, but I think the majority opinion is that the actual battles have been not so good for a little while now. It's why people resort to things like Showdown to get the battle fix and want to see more post game battle facilities. New Snap is a spinoff and still sold fairly well despite that afaik
people go to showdown because you don't have to do any bullshit to just get battling. the battling in the main games are fine, but you have to work for competitive pokemon and no one wants thatThe Arceus example has already been brought up, but I think the majority opinion is that the actual battles have been not so good for a little while now. It's why people resort to things like Showdown to get the battle fix and want to see more post game battle facilities. New Snap is a spinoff and still sold fairly well despite that afaik
Protesting? This is over pokemon not fucking civil rights, leaving a low effort review bomb became the game runs like ass isn't a protest at all and this sort of mentality with rallying around and "Fighting back" is precisely why Game Freak didn't bother to do any interviews for Scar/Vio considering how much shit they got back in the SWSH days for stuff that was twisted or thrown out of context. (I still remember when James Turner got heat for liking a tweet calling the toxic discourse horrible because people monitored GF's twitter accounts to an obsessive degree.) I know you're already banned but this wording is drawing me back to the cringe SWSH discourse days of DistantKingdom comparing the dex cut to the Hong Kong protests. Please never do that again.And by the way, people protesting against a piece of media they paid for by leaving a bad review is wrong because?? They're entitled to complain, even if they leave a review that doesn't reflect the thoughts of a more experienced reviewer.
And that doesn't really address the Arceus in the room. The more I think about it, the more I question why that game even exists at all. Like, if the plan was always to have Gen 9 release in 2022, then why did they 'waste' (I say that in the most inverted of commas as I liked Arceus) resources on it when it could have been all hands on deck for S/V? You can't even say 'they were experimenting' as given the close release time between them there's no way they could have applied the feedback in time.
People go to Showdown because of the ease of entry like @ILikeFeet said, and also because of the specific metagames on offer. There's no way to play 6v6 Singles competitively on cart. The relative snappiness is a bonus, not the main drawThe Arceus example has already been brought up, but I think the majority opinion is that the actual battles have been not so good for a little while now. It's why people resort to things like Showdown to get the battle fix and want to see more post game battle facilities. New Snap is a spinoff and still sold fairly well despite that afaik
I wish I knew. When I saw the initial PLA announcement I thought Gen 9 would be a 2023 game.
Both in 2022 is super aggressive.
Perhaps PLA will be a new “category” in between mainline and spin-offs. And they sacrificed Gen 9 development time to get PLA out the door.
People go to Showdown because of the ease of entry like @ILikeFeet said, and also because of the specific metagames on offer. There's no way to play 6v6 Singles competitively on cart. The relative snappiness is a bonus, not the main draw