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StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST5 Feb. 2022| Xenodelayed Chronicles 3

Which was your favourite announcement from the Direct?

  • Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes

    Votes: 14 3.0%

  • Mario Strikers: Battle League

    Votes: 68 14.7%

  • Nintendo Switch Sports

    Votes: 33 7.1%

  • Xenoblade Chronicles 3

    Votes: 191 41.3%

  • Splatoon 3 - Salmon Run Next Wave

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - Booster Course Pass

    Votes: 54 11.7%

  • EarthBound + EarthBound Beginnings on NSO

    Votes: 6 1.3%

  • Disney Speedstorm

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • SD Gundam Battle Alliance

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Taiko no Tatsujin: Rhythm Festival

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Front Mission 1st + 2 remakes

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Live A Live

    Votes: 50 10.8%

  • No Man's Sky

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition

    Votes: 7 1.5%

  • Klonoa: Phantasy Reverie Series

    Votes: 7 1.5%

  • Portal: Companion Collection

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Star Wars: Force Unleashed

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Total voters
    462
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Is Switch Sports motion control only? I'm hoping they have the Mii editor from Miitopia alongside these new Metaverse by Meta characters.
 
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Missed opportunity by Nintendo integrate Switch Sports with Facebook Meta

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Who could’ve foreseen Sportsmates would be the thing to tear this nascent community apart.
 
ngpdrew said:
As a follow up to yesterday's holy wars, can I have some clarification on why this place has a generally sour perception of "coobers" such as myself? Is it any of the following
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Apologies I'd it's a dumb question, but what is a coober? I tried to find out the definition online but no dice. Is it someone who loves the GCN? Is it pronounced like cuber?
 
My extremely not-helpful take is that I am totally indifferent to the whole situation. I've played Wii Sports a little, but it's not really my thing. Miis are fine, Sportsmates are fine, but I don't really like or care about either of them all that much.
 
Goht said:
Oh I just meant Nintendo generally. HAL is developing as far as I know. Although it does look very good for a group that usually does 2D.
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Oh I gotcha! Thanks for clarifying. I wouldn't be surprised if other areas of Nintendo are assisting. From the first trailer at least it did look really impressive.
 
Raccoon said:
even as a joke it's not tearing the community apart, I'm just one guy who feels like leaving
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Racoon, you aint leaving. Your cynical view on how modern society is destroying your childhood means you're becoming like the rest of us. You are finally worthy enough to sit among us. However....

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Nabbit said:
Thanks - in this case does it mean parody of GameCube fan?
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Yes, it's a spoof off the word coomer, which is a derogatory word for someone who likes porn. Drawing the comparison between that and GameCube fans, who can't see anything as ever being better than their nostalgic fantasy.
 
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Raccoon said:
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I find it seriously alienating that so many people on the site look at this image and say "good, no more ugly Miis"

not because it's racist or politically incorrect, I'm not trying to say that sort of shit

it's just because it's so fucking boring
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Look at the sportsmates, then look at the mii's. Sportsmates are cute, miis are ugly af and often the customization is just used to make abominations. I like the sportsmates.
 
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As a huge Wii fan, I like both the Miss and the Sportsmates. The former have charm and nostalgia, but the new ones are a pretty natural merger of the Mii design with the more modern Nintendo aesthetic seen in for instance the Inklings or ARMS. Nothing about them seems offensive or unappealing to me.

For me, what made the series so much fun was never the character designs, it was the sheer kinetic joy of bowling a virtual ball or whacking a virtual opponent with the movement of my whole arm. Since Switch Sports seem to retain this same deeply satisfying kinesthesia, a minor change to the avatars (with the old ones still an option) seems of trivial importance, to me anyway.

Either way, I'm just overjoyed to see a series that brought so much happiness and inclusion to gaming live again. :)
 
The sportsmates are stupid, ugly, and vapid. Miis are the one true Nintendo avatars.

I’m about to make this a part of my core Nintendo fan identity
 
About a week back, I was on a voice call with my buddy and absent-mindedly was reading Famiboards or Discord or something. I saw a post and said something to the effect of, "man, look at this, they think the fucking Sportsmates are better; they hate Miis." Frustrated, he replied "Nick, why do you spend all day reading terrible opinions that make you angry?" And I haven't gotten that out of my head since.
 
Raccoon said:
About a week back, I was on a voice call with my buddy and absent-mindedly was reading Famiboards or Discord or something. I saw a post and said something to the effect of, "man, look at this, they think the fucking Sportsmates are better; they hate Miis." Frustrated, he replied "Nick, why do you spend all day reading terrible opinions that make you angry?" And I haven't gotten that out of my head since.
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pretty rude of your friend to not respond to you and talk to some guy named nick instead
 
Miis were amazing in 2006 when the only personalization you had in games at the time was a screen name and a jpeg avatar. In 2022 they just look awful to the majority of players, no matter how much nostalgia you have for them. There was no way Nintendo could make a retail game in 2022 where the characters you play as are outdated avatars from a bygone era. If the concept of miis were created today, Sportsmates are the most accurate representation of what they would be.

I’m pretty sure you can still use Miis in some capacity though, so this really isn’t a big deal.
 
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Raccoon said:
About a week back, I was on a voice call with my buddy and absent-mindedly was reading Famiboards or Discord or something. I saw a post and said something to the effect of, "man, look at this, they think the fucking Sportsmates are better; they hate Miis." Frustrated, he replied "Nick, why do you spend all day reading terrible opinions that make you angry?" And I haven't gotten that out of my head since.
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A …voice call?

Is that what the kids are calling phone calls these days? Goddamn I am getting old
 
Raccoon said:
About a week back, I was on a voice call with my buddy and absent-mindedly was reading Famiboards or Discord or something. I saw a post and said something to the effect of, "man, look at this, they think the fucking Sportsmates are better; they hate Miis." Frustrated, he replied "Nick, why do you spend all day reading terrible opinions that make you angry?" And I haven't gotten that out of my head since.
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Actual reply: I feel like since the migration here, thankfully there's been sooo much less of that on my end. If it's there, I'll engage with it (eg. Bowser jail and Cyberpunk threads), but there's so much less of it to distract me here. Maybe it's more-so my general work towards my mental health and establishing more of a work/life balance, but I find myself playing a hell of a lot more games these days whereas before it was just a whole lot of keeping up on the industry and buying games I don't return to beyond the first 5ish hours aside from the odd great (botw). Also with how many great titles there are coming out, I feel a need to complete the current hotness (eg. Legends) in time for the next (eg. Kirby), whereas before I sat a lot of titles out.

Plus this latest wave of covid variant "hit me" the least so far since I'm well-adjusted to it, focusing on making the most of it rather than choosing to be upset about locking in. Whereas before it was "I'm numb but let's pretend everything is fine and play animal crossing", now it's "be smart, safe, and catch up on the backlog" lol
 
Raccoon said:
if archery comes back I bet it'll use the Ring Fit ring
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oh god please

I want stupid ring fit shit on everything

I wanna do Luigi’s Mansion pull-vacuum

I wanna do Kirby pull-inhale

I wanna do Pokéball push eject

all of it

gimme da gimmicks

optionally though please
 
Suswave said:
oh god please

I want stupid ring fit shit on everything

I wanna do Luigi’s Mansion pull-vacuum

I wanna do Kirby pull-inhale

I wanna do Pokéball push eject

all of it

gimme da gimmicks

optionally though please
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damn now I'm gonna be disappointed in forgotten land unless the town has mini game with ringcon controls
 
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Miis are synonymous with Wii Sports. That's "the" Mii game. So I understand the frustration that they aren't front and center in the new game and that Nintendo switched to a new avatar for it.

That said you can have a nuanced perspective on this. Firstly that Nintendo does still care about Miis considering they're still in the game. Takahashi and Koizumi decided to demo the game using Miis rather than the new avatars. Also I think people can acknowledge things they like about the new characters while still liking Miis too. Like I think the animations on Sportsmates in the demo have been pretty cute so far.

IDK I think it's kind of a "go touch grass" moment here to feel upset if someone nonchalantly calls the new avatars neat.
 
I didn't really expect Nintendo Switch Sports to match Resort in terms of the number of activities, partly because of the obvious jump in graphical fidelity but also because of the pricepoint and emphasis on online play. I also think that the 12 vs. 6 sports comparison is missing the point a little bit.

Resort with its 12 sports felt awesome at the time but I also have to say that a third is... not great (Wakeboarding, Basketball, Cycling and Canoeing). It makes up for it largely thanks to some nice submodes like Showdown and Frisbee Golf (which is really a submode of Golf if we're being real). Which is why I don't really put much stock into this comparison until we've seen more of the game.

The sports selection in Switch Sports feels a little disappointing in a different way, so far. The selection of returning sports is solid and based on how they released them on Wii Sports Club I suspect that Tennis, Golf and Bowling were the three most popular sports. Chambara is going to be extremely fun online. And Rocket League with Humans Football also looks like easily one of the most involved sports they've added to the series. But the fact that there's two more net sports is rather puzzling. I can see Volleyball be sufficiently different but Badminton is awfully close to Tennis and also Volleyball (as far as this game is concerned, not in real life, of course). Golf not being there at launch adds to the disappointment.

On the Wii Sports to Go Vacation spectrum of number of activities, Switch Sports is currently on the lower end. We don't know whether they will add any more sports after Golf but I do hope it gets a little bit closer to Resort in terms of variety. It seems like a no-brainer to bring back Boxing and Baseball but I'd love Archery and (a reworked form of) Basketball to return. From a cursory glance at what the numerous Wii Sports-likes were doing I can't really come up with anything new they could add that wouldn't feel like a shallow rendition of the sport or too samey to what they already have done before. I'd rather they have a lower number of mechanically sound sports and add more variety through the aforementioned submodes. Golf should come with Frisbee Golf, for example (mechanically different but using mostly the same assets). Not getting my hopes up for Showdown though.

My biggest pie in the sky wish however is that we can explore Spocco Square or at least interact with it in some way. What really sold Wii Sports Resort was how everything was contextualized on Wuhu Island. Switch Sports does a fantastic job at making Spocco Square feel like a physical place with all the venues properly represented within it but it needs just a little bit more. In Resort you had several disciplines that took you around Wuhu, would be neat if you could do this here as well.

Not with planes or jet skis though, we're saving that for...


NINTENDO SWITCH
Motorsports​
 
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totofogo said:
Lmao poor Horizon can't catch a break

first botw ate its lunch, now elden ring
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I never really saw BOTW eats horizon’s lunch honestly.

Still sold incredibly well.
Got major recognition and all those comments about BOTW vs Horizon back in 2017 seemed to be both console warrior stuff and good old banter honestly.
 
EvilChameleon said:
In a court of law your "conversation" would be thrown out as hearsay, lol.
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is it really that unbelievable that one of my few real life friends, me being the notably irritable and neurotic forum obsessed weirdo that I am, would be frustrated by me constantly complaining about things I see online?

I'm surprised that I'm being called a liar over a very innocuous personal experience I had, and your allusions to literal court speak volumes about the culture of the site
 
DecoReturns said:
I never really saw BOTW eats horizon’s lunch honestly.

Still sold incredibly well.
Got major recognition and all those comments about BOTW vs Horizon back in 2017 seemed to be both console warrior stuff and good old banter honestly.
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mm hard for me to say anything serious on since I have a disgusting bias by being deep in the conversation on

regardless of release time botw was always going to be the game with the ongoing conversation and industry impact I suppose yeah
 
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I’ve got open-world anxiety lately because there’s so many open-world games I want to play. I’m playing Arceus which isn’t true open-world but it’s close enough. Then I want to go back to BotW for the DLC, I’ve got Ghost of Tsushima, Miles Morales, and Horizon Zero Dawn in the backlog that I want to play soon, then there’s Elden Ring and Forbidden West, and finally there’s BotW2 a little ways down the road.

That’s a lot of open-world’ing and I’m getting overwhelmed just thinking about it.
 
literally the only reason for the "evidence" provided is the reason I personally am not enjoying the site, and that's been called into question

so I'm lying about my feelings. to what end?
 
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Raccoon said:
is it really that unbelievable that one of my few real life friends, me being the notably irritable and neurotic forum obsessed weirdo that I am, would be frustrated by me constantly complaining about things I see online?

I'm surprised that I'm being called a liar over a very innocuous personal experience I had, and your allusions to literal court speak volumes about the culture of the site
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They are entirely picking on you for no reason, or misdirecting their frustration about another occurrence. Not cool; sorry that it contributes to your perception of this site.

Who comes for someone like that on a Saturday night.
 
On the topic of Miis vs. Sportsmates, lately I’ve felt like I’m kind of alone in being someone who cares very deeply about Miis—Miis were basically my whole world when I was running a StreetPass group during the 3DS/Wii U era—but also doesn’t really mind Sportsmates being a thing in Nintendo Switch Sports? Like, hands down, I absolutely prefer Miis—though, depending on the nonhuman Sportsmates options given, it could become a very tough choice for me in Nintendo Switch Sports—and I think Miis are an under-appreciated form of art and the perfect balance of timeless, simple design but with deep range of customization and potential, but at the same time…I’m fine with Nintendo wanting to give the “Nintendo Sports” series its own identity outside of Miis. I mean, if Miis weren’t included at all I’d definitely be bummed, but they’re still there as an option, and the Sportsmates are just the Animal Crossing Villagers, or Ring Fit Trainees, or Splatoon Inklings, etc., of Nintendo Sports, and I think that’s just…fine? I don’t really view this as “Mii erasure” as most other Mii fans seem to be doing, and it’s clear that Sportsmates aren’t actually the “next generation Miis” as some people seem to believe for reasons I don’t understand. Honestly, while Miis were absolutely a core part of Wii Sports, the series isn’t really about them, it’s about the sports. It’s not like games like StreetPass Mii Plaza, Tomodachi Life, Miitomo, or Miitopia, which were absolutely all about Miis, and I’d consider those to be the true “Mii series” games (and I think Nintendo does, too), and I have no doubt that we’ll still get games like that from time to time so Miis aren’t going anywhere and will still get their time to shine where appropriate. But I think Nintendo has been wanting to scale back their usage of Miis in other games that aren’t entirely built on the concept of Miis, probably for multiple reasons—at first I thought it was just to distance themselves from the Wii branding with Nintendo Switch games, but I think the fact that many people (sadly) grew tired of Miis after their heavy (and required, in many instances) presence on Wii, 3DS, and Wii U is also a factor, as is the fact that I think many people are probably overwhelmed with or disinterested in designing a Mii for a game when they just want to get on with playing the game instead, so Nintendo’s solution is to offer simpler, less intimidating (and, as a result, much less customizable) character creation options for games where it’s appropriate. They did this with Ring Fit Adventure, they did it with Big Brain Academy: Brain vs. Brain, despite their previous installments using Miis (if you count Ring Fit Adventure as the successor to Wii Fit, that is), and now they’re doing it with Nintendo Switch Sports, too—but we’re at least getting an option to still use Miis in this case, so it’s fine by me. Now, if they start removing or sidelining Miis from actual Mii-centric games like Tomodachi Life or Miitopia, then yeah, that’s where I’d draw the line and start being very concerned. But as things are? I think it’s fine. I do miss the days where Miis were everywhere, but at the same time I realize that maybe it’s better for Nintendo to not overuse them and make a lot of people become sick of them. I think how they’re being used now—as a system-level thing that’s still used for amiibo and profile icons, and then sparingly as an option in games where appropriate, sometimes, while saving their real starring roles for Mii-centric games like Miitopia—is just fine.
 
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totofogo said:
They are entirely picking on you for no reason, or misdirecting their frustration about another occurrence. Not cool; sorry that it contributes to your perception of this site.

Who comes for someone like that on a Saturday night.
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I mean I certainly deserve to be picked on, maintaining a minority opinion so unpleasantly on their website

I'm just surprised that it was deemed unbelievable. maybe it's because I implied that I had a real friend lol
 
Tye said:
On the topic of Miis vs. Sportsmates, lately I’ve felt like I’m kind of alone in being someone who cares very deeply about Miis—Miis were basically my whole world when I was running a StreetPass group during the 3DS/Wii U era—but also doesn’t really mind Sportsmates being a thing in Nintendo Switch Sports? Like, hand hands down, I absolutely prefer Miis—though, depending on the nonhuman Sportsmates options given, it could become a very tough choice for me in Nintendo Switch Sports—and I think Miis are an under-appreciated form of art and the perfect balance of timeless, simple design but with deep range of customization and potential, but at the same time…I’m fine with Nintendo wanting to give the “Nintendo Sports” series its own identity outside of Miis. I mean, if Miis weren’t included at all I’d definitely be bummed, but they’re still there as an option, and the Sportsmates are just the Animal Crossing Villagers, or Ring Fit Trainees, or Splatoon Inklings, etc., of Nintendo Sports, and I think that’s just…fine? I don’t really view this as “Mii erasure” as most other Mii fans seem to be doing, and it’s clear that Sportsmates aren’t actually the “next generation Miis” as some people seem to believe for reasons I don’t understand. Honestly, while Miis were absolutely a core part of Wii Sports, the series isn’t really about them, it’s about the sports. It’s not like games like StreetPass Mii Plaza, Tomodachi Life, Miitomo, or Miitopia, which were absolutely all about Miis, and I’d consider those to be the true “Mii series” games (and I think Nintendo does, too), and I have no doubt that we’ll still get games like that from time to time so Miis aren’t going anywhere and will still get their time to shine where appropriate. But I think Nintendo has been wanting to scale back their usage of Miis in other games that aren’t entirely built on the concept of Miis, probably for multiple reasons—at first I thought it was just to distance themselves from the Wii branding with Nintendo Switch games, but I think the fact that many people (sadly) grew tired of Miis after their heavy (and required, in many instances) presence on Wii, 3DS, and Wii U is also a factor, as is the fact that I think many people are probably overwhelmed with or disinterested in designing a Mii for a game when they just want to get on with playing the game instead, so Nintendo’s solution is to offer simpler, less intimidating (and, as a result, much less customizable) character creation options for games where it’s appropriate. They did this with Ring Fit Adventure, they did it with Big Brain Academy: Brain vs. Brain, despite their previous installments using Miis (if you count Ring Fit Adventure as the successor to Wii Fit, that is), and now they’re doing it with Nintendo Switch Sports, too—but we’re at least getting an option to still use Miis in this case, so it’s fine by me. Now, if they start removing or sidelining Miis from actual Mii-centric games like Tomodachi Life or Miitopia, then yeah, that’s where I’d draw the line and start being very concerned. But as things are? I think it’s fine. I do miss the days where Miis were everywhere, but at the same time I realize that maybe it’s better for Nintendo to not overuse them and make a lot of people become sick of them. I think how they’re being used now—as a system-level thing that’s still used for amiibo and profile icons, and then sparingly as an option in games where appropriate, sometimes, while saving their real starring roles for Mii-centric games like Miitopia—is just fine.
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Tye said:
But I think Nintendo has been wanting to scale back their usage of Miis in other games that aren’t entirely built on the concept of Miis, probably for multiple reasons—at first I thought it was just to distance themselves from the Wii branding with Nintendo Switch games, but I think the fact that many people (sadly) grew tired of Miis after their heavy (and required, in many instances) presence on Wii, 3DS, and Wii U is also a factor, as is the fact that I think many people are probably overwhelmed with or disinterested in designing a Mii for a game when they just want to get on with playing the game instead, so Nintendo’s solution is to offer simpler, less intimidating (and, as a result, much less customizable) character creation options for games where it’s appropriate.
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this is a fantastic point. it's an extension of the overall Switch interface being games-forward

a very reasoned and well articulated post, thanks for sharing
 
Raccoon said:
I mean I certainly deserve to be picked on, maintaining a minority opinion so unpleasantly on their website

I'm just surprised that it was deemed unbelievable. maybe it's because I implied that I had a real friend lol
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Lmao

Well imo there are better ways to deal with a situation like that and I don’t really stand for shit slinging

About Nintendo stuff? Sure. But not each other’s character.
 
I do apologize you took my follow up post seriously. In the future, whenever I end a post with ",haha" or ",lol", everything that came before it was very much not serious.
 
totofogo said:
Lmao

Well imo there are better ways to deal with a situation like that and I don’t really stand for shit slinging

About Nintendo stuff? Sure. But not each other’s character.
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being called a liar on the internet isn't a big deal even if I'm very offended

mostly I'm just confused that this was the line of believability
 
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