He wanted an army of MetroidsBecause I just gots to know what the bird's plan was.
Like... Seriously, what exactly was Raven Beak's plan? That's kinda the only plot point I can't figure out.
Because I just gots to know what the bird's plan was.
Like... Seriously, what exactly was Raven Beak's plan? That's kinda the only plot point I can't figure out.
But why impersonate Adam? What does that accomplish? Why does he let Samus get stronger? It's not like her DNA is changing as she gets more upgrades, right?He wanted an army of Metroids
Samus became a Metroid
He wanted an army of Sami
That was Big Bird's plan.
But why impersonate Adam? What does that accomplish? Why does he let Samus get stronger? It's not like her DNA is changing as she gets more upgrades, right?
The dormant Metroid genes are coming to the surface but if you're cloning Samus why would it matter if the genes are activated or dormant, that wouldn't make a difference to the clone.
The impersonating Adam bit is fucking hilarious, I will admit. It was so goofy that I actually rolled my eyes. But I don't think that's any sillier than Darth Vadering Raven Beak. I think Metroid is best when it leans into camp.But why impersonate Adam? What does that accomplish? Why does he let Samus get stronger? It's not like her DNA is changing as she gets more upgrades, right?
The dormant Metroid genes are coming to the surface but if you're cloning Samus why would it matter if the genes are activated or dormant, that wouldn't make a difference to the clone.
I dunno, that feels like a cop out. Like, wouldn't you want her to avoid unleashing the X parasites that eventually do you in? Why let her in there?He presumably wanted to test Samus to prove that she actually possesses the abilities that he believes she does. It's not like anyone has been injected with Metroid and Chozo DNA before.
Yeah I thought it was funny but I'm not sure why it makes sense, story-wise.The impersinating Adam bit is fucking hilarious, I will admit. It was so goofy that I actually rolled my eyes. But I don't think that's any sillier than Darth Vadering Raven Beak. I think Metroid is best when it leans into camp.
I think that is a part of it. At the very least fighting all those X after her Metroid DNA had awakened served as a catalyst for further growth/evolution. Wasn't the first enemy Samus actually used her Metroid draining abilities on an X-infected Chozo Warrior?Doesn't make sense to me. Unless he like needed the X to somehow activate the Metroid DNA?
I think the answer is just to assume this is incorrect, even if it doesn't really make all that much sense. We don't really know how their cloning process works; perhaps he can skip straight to the Metroid phase with a sample from an awakened Samus.The dormant Metroid genes are coming to the surface but if you're cloning Samus why would it matter if the genes are activated or dormant, that wouldn't make a difference to the clone.
Given Adam is an AI at this point, my assumption was that he copied the program from Samus' ship while she was out and tweaked it to lead her where he wanted.The impersinating Adam bit is fucking hilarious, I will admit. It was so goofy that I actually rolled my eyes. But I don't think that's any sillier than Darth Vadering Raven Beak. I think Metroid is best when it leans into camp.
The plot of the game is basically his plan C. All of his other fans fail and then he finds out about Samus being half metroid somehow so then he makes one last plan.Because I just gots to know what the bird's plan was.
Like... Seriously, what exactly was Raven Beak's plan? That's kinda the only plot point I can't figure out.
In the scene, fake Adam says something like "do as I say, just as you have been" implying it's definitely not the first time.I thought Raven Beak impersonating Adam was just pre-final fight scene; not since the moment Samus woke up. Nothing seemed off with "Adam" since he was still leading Samus to all the relevant powerups.
They already pulled this in Fusion. It's an interesting concept, but I'm not sure it's one they should've revisited for Dread - especially since Samus' trust in Adam is rather important here.Now it feels like a missed opportunity gameplay-wise. Would have been more interesting to have Adam/Raven Beak be an unreliable narrator and lead Samus to "safe" areas that would lead to shenanigans like falling into E.M.M.I. areas.
Raven Beak is pretty arrogant and thinks Samus can't possibly beat him, as evidenced by the fact he keeps telling Samus that while impersonating Adam.But why impersonate Adam? What does that accomplish? Why does he let Samus get stronger? It's not like her DNA is changing as she gets more upgrades, right?
The dormant Metroid genes are coming to the surface but if you're cloning Samus why would it matter if the genes are activated or dormant, that wouldn't make a difference to the clone.
"Adam" doesn't call Samus "lady" even once after the opening cutscene. It's pretty heavily implied that it's 100% Raven Beak from the moment gameplay actually starts.I thought Raven Beak impersonating Adam was just pre-final fight scene; not since the moment Samus woke up. Nothing seemed off with "Adam" since he was still leading Samus to all the relevant powerups.
Now it feels like a missed opportunity gameplay-wise. Would have been more interesting to have Adam/Raven Beak be an unreliable narrator and lead Samus to "safe" areas that would lead to shenanigans like falling into E.M.M.I. areas.
Forgot about that from Fusion. I should dig out the 3DS and play through Fusion again.In the scene, fake Adam says something like "do as I say, just as you have been" implying it's definitely not the first time.
There is a noticable shift in tone for that scene though, even before he gives it away. I do wonder.
They already pulled this in Fusion. It's an interesting concept, but I'm not sure it's one they should've revisited for Dread - especially since Samus' trust in Adam is rather important here.
"Adam" was really helpful up till that point he reveals himself; Raven Beak should have dropped the galaxy domination scheme and looked into a career as a galactic dispatcher."Adam" doesn't call Samus "lady" even once after the opening cutscene. It's pretty heavily implied that it's 100% Raven Beak from the moment gameplay actually starts.
Forgot about that from Fusion. I should dig out the 3DS and play through Fusion again.
"Adam" was really helpful up till that point he reveals himself; Raven Beak should have dropped the galaxy domination scheme and looked into a career as a galactic dispatcher.
He was helpful because he needed Samus to evolve her Metroid DNA. It's why he leads her to where the X are and sets them free."Adam" was really helpful up till that point he reveals himself; Raven Beak should have dropped the galaxy domination scheme and looked into a career as a galactic dispatcher.
His initial plan was to just extract the Metroid DNA. But when Samus shows Metroid skills in her first fight he decides to let her live and have her evolve her Metroid DNA before cloning her. It's why he has her fight the X parasites cause Metroids are their natural enemy so it would help in evolving that.But why impersonate Adam? What does that accomplish? Why does he let Samus get stronger? It's not like her DNA is changing as she gets more upgrades, right?
The dormant Metroid genes are coming to the surface but if you're cloning Samus why would it matter if the genes are activated or dormant, that wouldn't make a difference to the clone.
how did i miss this"Adam" doesn't call Samus "lady" even once after the opening cutscene. It's pretty heavily implied that it's 100% Raven Beak from the moment gameplay actually starts.
I assume he thought he had a chance of winning Samus over somehow. He was just very overconfident in his ability to overpower her if that didn't work.Forgot about that from Fusion. I should dig out the 3DS and play through Fusion again.
"Adam" was really helpful up till that point he reveals himself; Raven Beak should have dropped the galaxy domination scheme and looked into a career as a galactic dispatcher.
I also didn't realize it until after the reveal. In hindsight it really should have been obvious something was off.how did i miss this
So what you're saying is Metroid Dread is a cinematic sad dad Nintendo game.Bad Bird? More like, Dad Bird
Yeah not too sure what his plan was besides "Metroid" and just kinda going with the flow. Maybe having the Metroid genes activated meant that he wouldn't have to activate them in any potential clones, which would probably save time, which is why he had Samus go through the whole ZDR to get them to activate them.
Of course maybe having one of the most dangerous beings in the galaxy get even more powerful before coming to face you wasn't the best plan, but Dad Bird didn't get to where he was by thinking through his plans.
"Hadar sen olmen. So yeah you'll want to turn on the power first before trying anything else"
I'm not sure Raven Beak can ever be described as "sad". Even when he's turned into an X he just seems pissedSo what you're saying is Metroid Dread is a cinematic sad dad Nintendo game.
Samus having two dads is the exact kind of modern plot twist that Nintendo needed.I'm not sure Raven Beak can ever be described as "sad". Even when he's turned into an X he just seems pissed
Maybe a Bad Dad or a Mad Dad game
Edit: Wait Quiet Robe is also probably Dad so maybe it qualifies
At least Metroid can now slide and doesn't afraid of anything.Also, "why can't Metroid crawl" is now a valid question
No, Gray Voice is the other Chozo whose dna Samus has.Edit: Wait Quiet Robe is also probably Dad so maybe it qualifies
He didn't. Samus has two human parents. They died. She was saved by Chozo, two of which (Gray Voice and Raven Beak) then donated some of their DNA to Samus so she could better survive on their planet Zebes. So she has four parents, I guess.How did a bird give birth to a blondie???
Also how refreshing was it that Ridley wasn't in this?
Really all of them were X ified except Kraid and Drogyga.I dunno, that feels like a cop out. Like, wouldn't you want her to avoid unleashing the X parasites that eventually do you in? Why let her in there?
Doesn't make sense to me. Unless he like needed the X to somehow activate the Metroid DNA?
Also I'm pissed they didn't go back and X-ify all of the bosses, X Kraid would've been amazing.
Yeah I thought it was funny but I'm not sure why it makes sense, story-wise.
The X that eats Kraid's corpse is the same X that infects Raven Beak!Really all of them were X ified except Kraid and Drogyga.
Kraid should’ve been a cool optional fight or something
The X that eats Kraid's corpse is the same X that infects Raven Beak!
It's never shown or said explicitlySo I was very curious about this! Is there a video or a clip that shows that? I totally missed it while playing!
I mean, I'm pretty sure the "Oh you had Thoha genes, and they were like, good with Metroids so that's why the DNA inside you was repressed" bit can be explained by the fact that the Thoha did, in fact, create the Metroids. It's not unreasonable to assume the Thoha literally genetically programed in a way for them to control the Metroid, and if fact Quiet Robe much says that's what happened.But as a standalone story it was just too silly. All of this scienc-y nonsense about DNA awakening secret powers and battling for supremacy inside Samus - it's more spiritual than science. "Oh you had Thoha genes, and they were like, good with Metroids so that's why the DNA inside you was repressed." It's nonsense, and the whole game is full of this nonsense, right up to the very last moment when the old bird is somehow able to act as himself despite being an X - something that nothing in the series has ever suggested is possible.
But that doesn't affect how Metroid and Thoha DNA would interact within Samus, though. The Thoha would have genetically created the Metroids to obey them, sure. But created their genes to be somehow subservient to Thoha genes if used as a vaccine... in a human? Why? They couldn't have forseen any of that. Nah, it makes no sense. It's just something you see a lot in pulp sci-fi - genes "battling" inside a character no different than if they had swords and spears. It's silly.I mean, I'm pretty sure the "Oh you had Thoha genes, and they were like, good with Metroids so that's why the DNA inside you was repressed" bit can be explained by the fact that the Thoha did, in fact, create the Metroids. It's not unreasonable to assume the Thoha literally genetically programed in a way for them to control the Metroid, and if fact Quiet Robe much says that's what happened.
I'm...not entirely sure why the vaccine bit or the human bit is so important here?But that doesn't affect how Metroid and Thoha DNA would interact within Samus, though. The Thoha would have genetically created the Metroids to obey them, sure. But created their genes to be somehow subservient to Thoha genes if used as a vaccine... in a human? Why? They couldn't have forseen any of that. Nah, it makes no sense. It's just something you see a lot in pulp sci-fi - genes "battling" inside a character no different than if they had swords and spears. It's silly.
Because the Thoha would have genetically engineered Metroid DNA to make Metroids obey Thoha.I'm...not entirely sure why the vaccine bit or the human bit is so important here?
Oh come on, silliness was a huge problem in Other M! MB, Melissa Bergman? A cute blond woman as Mother Brain? I mean... a cute blond woman... turned out to "be" Mother Brain. It defies all belief!While running the risk of starting a tangent, I would say that "silliness" was not one of Other M's main problems, and Dread shares almost none of the actual issues that Other M had
Hell, Dread is a direct repudiation of Other M in almost every way
Nanomachines i mean dnaHow did a bird give birth to a blondie???
It's nonsense, and the whole game is full of this nonsense, right up to the very last moment when Quiet Robe is somehow able to act as himself despite being an X - something that nothing in the series has ever suggested is possible.