News Metaphor: ReFantazio announced by Atlus, releasing on Oct 11th [Read Staff Post]

[ILikeFeet]

What exactly am I seeing when I see what looks like action gameplay? Is that just how the turnbased combat is presented?

the explained combat in the live stream. it's persona-ass turn-based combat

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

What exactly am I seeing when I see what looks like action gameplay? Is that just how the turnbased combat is presented?

The action combat is just for underleveled or weak enemies, it seems kind of pointless and a huge waste of dev resources.

 

[ziggyrivers]

The action combat is just for underleveled or weak enemies, it seems kind of pointless and a huge waste of dev resources.

I presume it was an attempt to further differentiate it from P5, seeing as how this game is using its engine.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I presume it was an attempt to further differentiate it from P5, seeing as how this game is using its engine.

Yeah, but it doesn't seem like an interesting differentiation at all relative to the dev time cost. Having actually different art probably would have been a more interesting and meaningful selling point.

 

[SirArthur]

In the Q&A they mentioned that there is no romance options with the bonds. Which did not expect since your goal is gather followers, running a political campaign, so that might have been odd.

 

[Somnia]

Finally watched the whole thing, and I am really excited to play this... however I do think I'll wait for Switch 2. I am currently really trying to focus on my backlog of games I missed over the years... including the entire Xenoblade series (playing 1), returned to Pokemon for the first time since Black with Violet, Paper Mario TTYD first time ever soon, Persona 5 is on my list also for later this year... breaking this habit of day 1 games and FOMO is hard but probably for the best!

 

[Ylork]

If it means anything, I believe SMTV:V is going to be the last time a rerelease like this that happen. Midori slightly confirmed it, but generally Atlus seems to be moving away from the "enhanced rerelease" thing.

If true, it's a very good news

I'm really excited about Metaphor, but I'll wait for the Super Switch version.

 

[Leica]

What exactly am I seeing when I see what looks like action gameplay? Is that just how the turnbased combat is presented?

You can mop up weaker enemies through action combat, not exactly a new concept to jrpgs but they fleshed it out a bit more here.

 

[SammyJ9]

You can mop up weaker enemies through action combat, not exactly a new concept to jrpgs but they fleshed it out a bit more here.

It’s a cool way to streamline lower level encounters without just auto-winning like with Ryuji’s ability in P5. I really like the idea

 

[Bokuringo]

In the Q&A they mentioned that there is no romance options with the bonds. Which did not expect since your goal is gather followers, running a political campaign, so that might have been odd.

It's odd for the former Persona team, but not every Atlus game needs to have dating. And there still might be romance as part of the story.

Edit: https://personacentral.com/metaphor-refantazio-famitsu-interview-excerpt/

Full-development started only in 2019.

 

[Zemya]

The action combat is just for underleveled or weak enemies, it seems kind of pointless and a huge waste of dev resources.

Blasting through weak enemies with traditional turn based combat seems kind of pointless and huge waste of player resources

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Blasting through weak enemies with traditional turn based combat seems kind of pointless and huge waste of player resources

Not if you are good enough at designing turn based systems to make the encounters fun.

But I guess that’s too hard for P Studio so they can waste years on an action system instead, lol.

 

[Zemya]

Not if you are good enough at designing turn based systems to make the encounters fun.

But I guess that’s too hard for P Studio so they can waste years on an action system instead, lol.

Their approach to turn based system is the most fun system ever (for me) but it still becomes tedious to grind in fights that are not stimulating

 

[Thunder84]

Not if you are good enough at designing turn based systems to make the encounters fun.

But I guess that’s too hard for P Studio so they can waste years on an action system instead, lol.

Even the best turn based combat systems get grindy and tedious with low level encounters. There’s a reason why streamlining such battles has become a fairly commonplace QoL feature.

Action combat is a neat way to go about that problem. I think it was well worth the effort, although I highly doubt they “wasted years” on it.

 

[Sakuyahime]

So excited for both Metaphor ReFantazio and Shin Megami Tensei V Vengeance, man what an amazing year for jRPGs! The focus on a more mature, political, philosophical and fantasy settings is looking great. I definitely missed the mature/darker themes and atmosphere of the older games... Really getting tired of the usual teenager party members and school settings haha, not against it but its time for something different. Catherine was also a pretty fun and different/interesting new IP they created with adult and relatable characters!

Combat looks quick and pretty fun, love to see that its hybrid between real time and turn based


I feel like assets need anti-aliasing or something, reminds me of some KoeiTecmo games like Fire Emblem Three Houses (Persona 5 Strikers included) that had weird/rough lines for all character models. Looks a bit weird IMO. Loving the atmosphere, art and most importantly more mature setting and cast though!

 

[Mbolibombo]

Outside of the name of this game and the battle theme - I really like almost everything I've seen with this game.
It's a bit weird to me we've seen so much of it and it's almost 6 months out.

 

[SammyJ9]

Not if you are good enough at designing turn based systems to make the encounters fun.

But I guess that’s too hard for P Studio so they can waste years on an action system instead, lol.

Complaining about Atlus being bad at designing turn-based combat systems is certainly a take

 

[Metroid]

Not if you are good enough at designing turn based systems to make the encounters fun.

But I guess that’s too hard for P Studio so they can waste years on an action system instead, lol.

A very old quality of life trick in the RPG game is not the sign of being bad at designing encounters what in the world are you talking about

Also in what world did they spend years designing an action system?

 

[PixelKnight]

Yeah I have to say, for all the stuff I criticise Atlus for, turn-based combat systems isn’t one of them, and I mainly play turn-based games.

 

[RochHoch]

Game just looks better and better, I'm pretty pumped for this

I'm just hoping the story is at least decent. At bare minimum, the combat and gameplay loop are bound to be aces

 

[Danny]

Wonder if Atlus will have this on Switch 2 at launch of if a port comes way later.

 

[ngpdrew]

Not if you are good enough at designing turn based systems to make the encounters fun.

But I guess that’s too hard for P Studio so they can waste years on an action system instead, lol.

I'm genuinely curious what RPG you think handles this better. Having played a number of RPGs, the only handlings of this dilemma I've really loved are Earthbound (instant win!) and TOK (smash em and they be gone).