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I would take super switch over switch 4k.
It better communicates that this is an upgrade handheld and docked.
I’ll continue my campaign for Power Switch!
I would take super switch over switch 4k.
It better communicates that this is an upgrade handheld and docked.
Nope. It's better if they don't copy anything from Sony. I'd rather not have a "Switch 2" moreso than I'd rather have a "Nintendo IX".The ideal name would be to copy Sony's naming convention and just use a number.
The people who think "super" sounds childish ascribe to those dumb notions of "prestige" like what the Playstation brand does. It also contrasts from the cold and boring naming scheme Sony chooses.“super nintendo switch” sound a bit childish, I understand most of us give us nostalgic feeling because of super nintendo/famicom.
I really think that Microsoft for example, has a lot of problems with their console because of their naming conventions.Nope. It's better if they don't copy anything from Sony. I'd rather not have a "Switch 2" moreso than I'd rather have a "Nintendo IX".
"Super Nintendo Switch" actually sounds very on-brand.
I could see how "Super Nintendo Switch" would create confusion with it's prior console. "Nintendo Switch Next" would be suitable as an upgrade name, but as a true successor I could see Nintendo ditching the Switch branding altogether in favor for one that best describe's the new console's "gimmick".I really think that Microsoft for example, has a lot of problems with their console because of their naming conventions.
It's easy for us, but it is extremely hard for regular people to differentiate between the Xbox One, Xbox One X, and Xbox Series X because the naming convention is confusing as hell.
Nintendo needs to keep it simple.
They could name it Switch 2 all they want. I just don’t see a clean generation break. It’ll be another iteration.
Eh, Sony can number their systems cause they all do the same exact thing the previous one did and play games the same exact way.
Nintendo usually has changes to gameplay and functions between devices so naming them differently to highlight that has always made more sense.
NV_SCAL_LITTER_NUM_ROP_PER_GPC is defined as 2 for desktop Ampere, Orin, and Drake. Obviously that's not 16, but it probably indicates that it's the same among all the Ampere chips.Do we have any confirmation of ROP count from the leak? In desktop Ampere there are 16 ROPs per GPC, and with one GPC on Drake we'd therefore expect 16 ROPs here, but obviously there are enough other changes to the architecture that we probably shouldn't take this for granted.
The problem with Switch 2.0 is that it's very unlikely that they market this is a new gen at $400+. This is almost certainly going to be treated like a revision or iteration like n3DS or GBC.The ideal name would be to copy Sony's naming convention and just use a number.
Sure, Switch Ultra, Switch Pro, Super Switch... They all sound nice and have history behind the names, but most people are not aware of that.
The problem I see is that Switch 2 sounds kinda boring and unoriginal, but there is an easy fix. Something simple that changes the tone of the name completely: just add a period and a zero.
Switch 2.0
They can continue later on in the future with Switch 3.0 or if they do a mid-gen refresh, they could just call it Switch 2.5 or something like that.
That’s where I’m at as well. I don’t see Nintendo marketing this as a new generation, not will they treat it like one. Not when they’re putting out evergreen titles like Switch Sports in a month, and the DLC to MK8 for the next 18 months.The problem with Switch 2.0 is that it's very unlikely that they market this is a new gen at $400+. This is almost certainly going to be treated like a revision or iteration like n3DS or GBC.
Calling it a successor and pricing it that high would be disastrous IMO.
Switch X, now with Game Pass!They could do Nintendo Switch X like Microsoft…everyone who buys tech understands the annotation of an extra letter like “X” or “S”
I could see Nintendo treating it like a successor internally. And in a few years publicly.That’s where I’m at as well. I don’t see Nintendo marketing this as a new generation, not will they treat it like one. Not when they’re putting out evergreen titles like Switch Sports in a month, and the DLC to MK8 for the next 18 months.
What exactly means clean generation break?
Do you think that PS5 is clean generation break compared to PS4? Next gen doesnt mean clean generation break (look at PS5).
This thing will be sell alongside other Switch versions and over 90% of all games will be cross gen for at least 2 years among all Switch units.
That's my point, Nintendo usually named their platform based on platform/system concept, and with new Switch hardware main concept (hybrid) will stay, so it will be Switch in any case, so Switch 2 would make most sense, especially because we talking about more than hole generation leap in any case (GPU, CPU, RAM, DLSS...and who knows what else) that coming on market at around 6 years after OG Switch launch.
They could do Nintendo Switch X like Microsoft…everyone who buys tech understands the annotation of an extra letter like “X” or “S”
Maybe just the “NEW“ moniker as that didn’t make clear what was new from the name aloneWould you say that 3DS XL, new 3DS and 2DS were less on the nose than Switch Lite and Switch OLED?
While we're in a bit of a waiting period, Thraktor, I forgot, but were the comparisons you made with Geekbench scores between A78 and desktop Zen 2 or the 4700S?
I vaguely remember the A78 falling a bit behind in IPC, but I'm sitting here thinking it can punch up a bit in gaming specifically thanks to differences in inter-core latency due to topology, a la Skylake vs Zen 2.
It will fall behind the PS5 and Series X.Yeah, even though DLSS when docked will shoot past the Series S, it will fall behind the PS5 still.
At best, assuming a developer maximizes the benefits of the Tensor Cores, DLSS, and all that and drew every ounce of power out of Drake, it likely could match, or even shoot a little bit above PS5 (Assuming the PS5 is running at native performance levels here)
but it would require a hecklot of effort and sort of exposes the big thing that makes Drake hard to predict after DLSS outside of a 2x Multiplier on average when docked because it's all software optimization.
What a dev does to take advantage of DLSS when given the environment to actually optimize around it is an unknown quantity to us as all we have is the average unoptimized DLSS numbers from PC in which the 2x average comes from.
But something else to consider is the exponential performance cost of increasing resolution that DLSS dodges but PS5/Series S|X have to worry about for the most part unless you are using UE5's TSR
Well, yeah on average it will fall behind the PS5It will fall behind the PS5 and Series X.
Ever the optimist eh?Well, yeah on average it will fall behind the PS5
But it likely will run right behind the PS5 in some cases and maybe match up to it in fringe occasions.
Ps5 is a clean generational break compared to Ps4, yes. They even launched it explicitly saying it’s a generational break “we believe in it!”
Don’t forget, they stopped manufacturing their 2016 pro model before the ps5 even launched. The plan was to stop producing ALL ps4 models by the end of last year.
Sony’s “commitment” to cross gen games for 2 years or so is more out of worry concerning software tie ratio for the ps5 right now than anything
Nintendo does not plan on ending all Switch model production within a year or two after this new model releases. Nintendo does not want this ~$500 pro model to be the only price point option going forward. Nintendo does not plan on focusing all its game development to be Pro model only by 2024. Nintendo does not plan to stop having new games running on the OLED model by 2024.
Nintendo does not want to release a new model this year that will be considered a generational break from the Switch.
Switch 2 would imply to console consumers that they are planning on phasing out the OLED model they just released last year. I don’t think doing that makes sense at all, imo.
They will want to market this model as simply a way to play the Switch library games better…for those who want that kind of thing. And they will try to name it accordingly how it does this.
They are absolutely not releasing this and expecting everyone, or even the majority, to have moved over to this expensive model after 2 years.
And the series x.Well, yeah on average it will fall behind the PS5
But it likely will run right behind the PS5 in some cases and maybe match up to it in fringe occasions.
The Series X will likely win as it in fact does have ML hardware.And the series x.
With the rumored tech, it could easily surpass $400 (especially when it's supposedly stronger than the Deck). Not to the point of $500, but somewhere in-between.No way this new model will be $499, we most likely talking about $399 price point.
I dont see why Nintendo wouldnt around 2024. start focusing games only for "Switch 2" (IMO it will be marketed like "Switch 2" not "Pro").
OLED was launched in 2021., OLED is revision not new platform so Nintendo doent need to support it with games more than around 3 years,
for comparison, New Nintendo 2DS XL was launched in 2017. despite fact that 3DS line is completely discounted in 2020.
Huh, interesting, this isn’t what I’d want to see happen but it also doesn’t seem like it’d be a disaster. What’s your thinking?The problem with Switch 2.0 is that it's very unlikely that they market this is a new gen at $400+. This is almost certainly going to be treated like a revision or iteration like n3DS or GBC.
Calling it a successor and pricing it that high would be disastrous IMO.
That's $100 more (at a minimum) than any new generation device Nintendo has put out before. It would get a lot of bad press from that alone.Huh, interesting, this isn’t what I’d want to see happen but it also doesn’t seem like it’d be a disaster. What’s your thinking?
Switch OLED doesn't have exclusive games, it's just another Switch. The whole reason to buy it is the screen. This console is going to have a ton of exclusive games which aren't possible on OG Switch. It needs a name that establishes it can play games the vanilla Switch can't.Is Switch Oled a bad name when TV mode doesn't have an oled display (if the player has a led TV)?
So you're suggesting they lie. Huh.That's $100 more (at a minimum) than any new generation device Nintendo has put out before. It would get a lot of bad press from that alone.
Plus there's the fact that they'll have 3 other devices on the market this holiday for $200, $300 and $350 but this new $400+ will be touted as the one that you'll need to buy to get their games in the future. That's a really bad look and can do a fair amount of damage to sales of their current Switch line.
Marketing it as a premium version of the current Switch would go down a lot better. You don't make it seem like you need to have it if you want future Nintendo games, instead it's just a higher end version of the same family. People will be a lot more accepting of a high sticker price for a "premium version".
Do we have any confirmation of ROP count from the leak? In desktop Ampere there are 16 ROPs per GPC, and with one GPC on Drake we'd therefore expect 16 ROPs here, but obviously there are enough other changes to the architecture that we probably shouldn't take this for granted.
NV_SCAL_LITTER_NUM_ROP_PER_GPC is defined as 2 for desktop Ampere, Orin, and Drake. Obviously that's not 16, but it probably indicates that it's the same among all the Ampere chips.
This console is going to have a ton of exclusive games which aren't possible on OG Switch.
I agree when Nintendo's concerned, at least for a couple of years.Doubt
You don't build hardware like this without intending to put out exclusive games for it. They may not come right away, but they absolutely will be coming.Doubt
No?So you're suggesting they lie. Huh.
Don’t agree. Nintendo will allow third party to make exclusive games for itDoubt
You said "You don't make it seem like you need to have it if you want future Nintendo games, instead it's just a higher end version of the same family." So, you're either saying there won't be future Nintendo games that require this new hardware and it is purely a revision for Switch games to be playable in an upscaled manner, or you're suggesting Nintendo lies to its consumers until such a time that it's undeniably true. So.... which one is it?
It will probably be like Xbox where most Nintendo games in the first couple of years are cross-gen before they go all-in on exclusive games for Drake.I have a hard time believing a new device with an all new GPU and processor is meant to just be a pro version of the switch with a newer generation device coming up years from now.
This is too much of a jump and it would be insane to develop games exclusively for it if years from now a newer device with a different architecture comes out.
This 4K device will be the sucessor to the switch and eventually phase out its games, just like the current ps4 to ps5 relationship. I fully expect a name to represent this properly, specially after the WiiU fiasco.
Who is saying anything about a newer generation device coming up years from now? Personally I don't expect anything until 2027-2028 or later.I have a hard time believing a new device with an all new GPU and processor is meant to just be a pro version of the switch with a newer generation device coming up years from now.
This is too much of a jump and it would be insane to develop games exclusively for it if years from now a newer device with a different architecture comes out.
This 4K device will be the sucessor to the switch and eventually phase out its games, just like the current ps4 to ps5 relationship. I fully expect a name to represent this properly, specially after the WiiU fiasco.
I'm saying there will be no Nintendo games announced anytime soon that need this hardware. Maybe in 2024-2025.You said "You don't make it seem like you need to have it if you want future Nintendo games, instead it's just a higher end version of the same family." So, you're either saying there won't be future Nintendo games that require this new hardware and it is purely a revision for Switch games to be playable in an upscaled manner, or you're suggesting Nintendo lies to its consumers until such a time that it's undeniably true. So.... which one is it?
This is why I'm inclined to believe Nintendo may position this more as a true successor, ie, a "Switch 2".Who is saying anything about a newer generation device coming up years from now? Personally I don't expect anything until 2027-2028 or later.
It would be enough to insert the classic "Only for...".Switch OLED doesn't have exclusive games, it's just another Switch. The whole reason to buy it is the screen. This console is going to have a ton of exclusive games which aren't possible on OG Switch. It needs a name that establishes it can play games the vanilla Switch can't.
Yes I agree.This is why I'm inclined to believe Nintendo may position this more as a true successor, ie, a "Switch 2".
The hardware is going to be good enough that there won't be anything that could provide another substantial upgrade from Drake until, like you said, around 2027-2028.
I just don't see Nintendo eventually switching over to developing exclusive games for what they positioned as a premium Switch from day one. Which they will have to do if Drake is planned to last until the late 2020s.
I know they did this with the GBC back in the 90s, but it doesn't seem like it would work today. I mean could anyone imagine Pokemon Gen 10 coming out for "Switch Pro" in 2025, but not the base Switch? Especially if Nintendo markets it as just a premium Switch model from the start? It would be like Sony suddenly making games for PS4 Pro only after having initially marketed it as just a premium PS4.
At this point I tend to believe that this is going to be the Nintendo Switch 2, with a ~2 year crossover period where the device gets exclusive 3rd party games almost immediately, but all first party games use the Switch as a base through the end of 2024 or so. Plus we're coming up close on the 5-6 year period when Nintendo has almost invariably released a completely new system, so in terms of timing it makes sense.
The difference this time would be instead of cutting clean from the previous gen immediately, it adopts the path Sony took with 1st party titles being cross-gen for the first couple years.
No way this new model will be $499, we most likely talking about $399 price point.
I dont see why Nintendo wouldnt around 2024. start focusing games only for "Switch 2" (IMO it will be marketed like "Switch 2" not "Pro").
OLED was launched in 2021., OLED is revision not new platform so Nintendo doent need to support it with games more than around 3 years,
for comparison, New Nintendo 2DS XL was launched in 2017. despite fact that 3DS line is completely discounted in 2020.
Switch OLED is just revision nothing more (its not new platform), that will keep receiving games (at least Nintendo games) at least 2 years after "Switch 2" launch, nothing wrong with that.
They can easily market this new Switch like next gen Switch (Switch 2) despite older versions will keep getting games for at least around 2 years after "Switch 2" launch.
Offcourse they will not expect that all current Switch owner move to next gen Switch, not every user or potential buyer have $399, and thats why they will keep selling current models that will have lower price points at least 2 years after this Switch 2 launch.
I agree when Nintendo's concerned, at least for a couple of years.
However, I can see third party developers, especially developers outside Japan, shift game development from the Nintendo Switch to the DLSS model* relatively quickly.
You don't build hardware like this without intending to put out exclusive games for it. They may not come right away, but they absolutely will be coming.
Don’t agree. Nintendo will allow third party to make exclusive games for it
time to change my Samsung account password...So apparently this same hacker group have stolen 190GB of data from Samsung as well(no ransom threat as of yet).
I do wonder though after what came out from Nvidia if something leaks from this Samsung data breach either in the components or manufacturing side related to the new Switch.
Samsung Gets Hacked by Same Group That Compromised NVIDIA’s Data, 190GB Worth of Info Allegedly Stolen
The same group that leaked NVIDIA’s data hacked into Samsung, allegedly releasing 190GB of stolen information on the webwccftech.com
I can't see a price tag above $399. But it wouldn't be $50 more than OLED, they would cut the price to OLED first. I suspect they'll stop manufacturing the OG model, leaving just a $299 OLED and Switch Lite.Well, no way this new model will release at just $50 more than the OLED.
That was $350 and it only offered you a slightly better screen. And it sold well.
This thing has to be at least $450, imo. They could even get away with $500 for what it’s offering.