No one is forced they can do it if they want, and if they do it and complete it they will also be rewarded
When you say "I should get a reward for doing X, there is usually a colloary of "If you don't do X, you will miss out". It's this design that makes open world games a hassle for some because they feel obligated to do something. BOTW's entire point is "You will not be punished if you do not do everything". That is it biggest draw. Now, I get it. For others, this isn't what they want but this is the sole reason why I ended up 100% BOTW because I ended up doing all that shit because I wasn't presssured to. What you're suggesting is to make it so I will fill obligated to do everything which ironically enough makes me not want to play it. BOTW respects my time and doesn't punish me when I just want to do a speedrun game. That is what makes BOTW a very good game.
Nintendo makes a lot of games where you have to do things to get things and if you don’t do them you miss out and that’s not considered a punishment
They do that less these days than before and, even then, usually, they weren't particularly punishing and still felt like fair challenges
I actually want zelda to be like what zelda originally was with the first game on nes and link to the past on snes, I didn’t really like any Zelda’s after those 2, botw was the closest but still just missed it
Well, if the only ones you liked was the first handful over 30 years ago, I don't think the franchise is gonna ever really be for you then
It felt much more linear than link to past and esp zelda nes
Maybe but it was still essentially a 3D translation of the conventions, formula, characters and enemies, etc. from ALttP and I wouldn't exactly call ALttP very open either
I loved having to figure out where the dungeons were in zelda 1, like playing the flute to make the water go away or burning the bush to find another
Well I'd personally hate that. The NES Zelda games were so obtuse and clunky that I had no desire to play them. They're essentially guide games
Botw did that with some shrines but I want the main dungeons back, don’t use a guide that takes the fun away
So...what, people who want to play BOTW in BOTW 2 should...what...tough luck, you want your game?
That’s pretty much what your saying for what I want
No, not really. There's an indicator that starts beeping if you're near a shrine and the shrines stick out pretty strikingly so many of them could even be found from a peak or valley. Never mind that the Divine Beasts are clearly visible from afar and have their overall general location for eventually getting to rhem marked on your map. The NES Zelda games gave almost no direction or indication for anything, which is why I can't get into them. I have literally no clue on what to do so I have to turn to a guide otherwise the game is impossible. BotW's freedom while still offering a sense of direction is why I never needed to do that
Because not every game needs to be like BotW.
Same thing with Souls games
My guy, if you don't understand why people are so receptive to a pretty great game (despite it definitely having some issues), it's on you. "Forced" lol what. That comes across salty.
I heard about but never tried it because of reviews
I still don’t really see how the first post you quoted was funny but I’m definitely laughing now.
I think taking "funny" so literally is your issue. Feels like I'm in a Goodfellas scene.
This is either a very weird misread of my posts or of that Goodfellas scene. I was just wondering why you brought up some unrelated discussion you might have seen or maybe had with other people in response to that particular post. But I guess there was neither any deeper meaning to it nor some underlying humour I was missing.
User says they don't need every game to be exactly like the one they just played, referring to Elden Ring (which is totally fair, and valid, to be clear). In response, I note the fact that there's a portion of BotW's fanbase that ask for other games to take stuff (that being the free climbing, lack of waypoints, physics system, or whatever the case may be) from BotW, even yeeeeears out from that game's release, when the same "not every game needs to be like Souls" can be applied. Hence, not every game needs to be like BotW. On a purely personal level, I'm not the biggest fan of the game, so I'd prefer it if folks stopped asking for other games to conform to its template.
You could have just said this from the beginning instead of taking three posts to write it out and then accusing me of "hyperfixating" on a remark when you won't give a straight answer about what you meant. Thanks for clarifying.
You could've read between the lines, instead of fixating on the word "funny". I didn't expect bickering over that, but here we are. Have a nice one.
It's been incredibly forced from the start.
I doubt Nintendo is even looking to Elden Ring to compare notes. That's what Fromsoft was doing when they were looking BOTW as their inspiration.
I hope you're wrong, because otherwise BotW2 will be a disappointment.
Sorry that's a pretty awful take. BOTW2 will be a disappointment if it doesn't borrow from Elden Ring? lol WUT?
Cool, you're head over heels in love with BotW, and are upset that a decent number of people consider ER the better game. I get it. There are also those that don't have a high opinion of BotW at all, though. Those that tried BotW, and never really connected with it (whether that be thanks to weapons that break every 5 minutes, 4 enemy types on repeat, the open world being mainly Korok Seeds, or a number of other grievances).
C'mon, man.
But you just said it was merely an open world Dark Souls that bears little resemblance to BotW. I agree with that, to be clear, but now you're saying FromSoft took inspiration from BotW? I'm confused.
Ehh...you're not quite so different yourself with seemingly not being cool with folk loving BotW and needing to constantly talk about not liking the game or finding it overrated or whatever. I sure wouldn't call most of the discussion of BotW a circlejerk, at least nothing compared to what Souls games receive, especially when the same people who don't like the game keep going on and on about it for over 5 yearsCool, you're head over heels in love with BotW, and are upset that a decent number of people consider ER the better game. I get it. There are also those that don't have a high opinion of BotW at all, though. Those that tried BotW, and never really connected with it (whether that be thanks to weapons that break every 5 minutes, 4 enemy types on repeat, the open world being mainly Korok Seeds, or a number of other grievances).
Different strokes for different folks. It's just... it's barely been a month of people giving Elden Ring some love. It's been 5 years of Breath of the Wild circlejerk. Who here is really having things pushed down their throat?
(Also, just so that we're not in complete opposition: I do totally agree with you about Elden Ring not matching Bloodborne. In my friend group, I usually lean the most negative on ER. It's still a solid game, though, imo.)
So we're going in circles, I guess? Alright. All this conversation demonstrates is that people are willing to look at the overwhelming praise for their preferred game, and say it's fair and good, while the heavy praise another popular, beloved game gets is just too much.
Well, if I did agree with him, I'd have liked his post about how Elden Ring being beloved is forced or the game is amateurish or whatever instead of your response to him so, no, not really. Most folk who like any game are generally just normal people and don't post on gaming forums
Yeah I don't think so. I've seen hundreds of people online make it a point to compare these games to death and express why they think Elden Ring is better. I'm allowed to offer a counter opinion.
Didn't they admit to using BOTW for inspiration? They borrowed some things but From is not capable of delivering something with the same polish and complexity of the chemistry engine or a fully interactive world. That's not to say that Elden Ring should have been that, but if we're talking about higher complexity world design, BOTW is still the pinnacle.
It's not about whether somebody likes BOTW or Elden Ring more. I can see people liking the Souls inspired worlds more, but if you're going to compare them from a open world design and traversal point of view, Elden Ring really only does the basics of what BOTW does, and the rest of the game is just Dark Souls. I don't see any reasonable argument that the open world itself is in any way comparable to BOTW's depth, though I don't fault people for preferring the darker tone and more difficult combat in Elden Ring. It's just a matter of taste.Cool, you're head over heels in love with BotW, and are upset that a decent number of people consider ER the better game. I get it. There are also those that don't have a high opinion of BotW at all, though. Those that tried BotW, and never really connected with it (whether that be thanks to weapons that break every 5 minutes, 4 enemy types on repeat, the open world being mainly Korok Seeds, or a number of other grievances).
Different strokes for different folks. It's just... it's barely been a month of people giving Elden Ring some love. It's been 5 years of Breath of the Wild circlejerk. Who here is really having things pushed down their throat?
(Also, just so that we're not in complete opposition: I do totally agree with you about Elden Ring not matching Bloodborne. In my friend group, I usually lean the most negative on ER. It's still a solid game, though, imo.)
My last encounter with him on this site he was bashing the graphics in Metroid Dread and somebody warned me that he was one of "those" posters.
