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My problem is that with a large digital library I can't find anything or even know what I own. The eShop experience is a disaster. It doesn't have any of the charm of their other consoles.
Far right edge there's a sortable list. I keep it alphabetical.

I agree on the eShop, but that's a web site wrapped by an app. It need some work on speed and discoverability. Honestly though, I tend to just use the browser on my phone or PC, and that solves the speed issue.
 
My problem is that with a large digital library I can't find anything or even know what I own. The eShop experience is a disaster. It doesn't have any of the charm of their other consoles.
At least we're able to organize our huge digital libraries into "folders" now (I think that was a later additional to the menu system, not originally included). But yeah, Switch 1 menu system is lacking (and so is eShop, it's molasses to navigate around there)
 
Mine drifts too and the dpad is too loud BUT it is still the best dpad in terms of reliability and absolutely zero fake inputs. It's a joy to play fighting Games on it.
Yeah, I was going to mention that, it's very responsive, which I never imagined it was going to be possible with that form factor. Still, it's still disappointing that it started to drift so quickly, and just with Witcher 3 at that.
 
The eShop from my understanding is a web page tangled up in secure JavaScript that slows it down. I would think it would be immediately improved with just having a more powerful system with a better CPU. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
The eShop from my understanding is a web page tangled up in secure JavaScript that slows it down. I would think it would be immediately improved with just having a more powerful system with a better CPU. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah, and on the whole the layout isn't something a new generation would fix, it's a webpage, not a system app.
 
Yeah, and on the whole the layout isn't something a new generation would fix, it's a webpage, not a system app.
Yeah I understand that. Still seems like the kind of thing Nintendo will only change when a new gen launches. It's the perfect time for an overhaul.
 
There has been a pattern of new features being added to the kernel that don't appear to be enabled on the current hardware. It's definitely getting prepped for something new.
Where can I find more discussion of these features and evidence?

What else has been added besides the “fifty” controllers?
 
Good point. I forgot about that little detail. He did sound more confident on the topic of BC.
He seems to be leaning more towards the idea that it's basic BC, and that there won't be much performance patches or DLSS usage. Basically just upscaling through dynamic resolution and more stable frame rates.
 
Yeah I understand that. Still seems like the kind of thing Nintendo will only change when a new gen launches. It's the perfect time for an overhaul.
I agree, although eShop has been worked on continuously since launch.

Wii U is still the best eShop, layout wise, but in truth it was barely any different to what we have now. It just needs a few tweaks and a better CPU! I believe in them.
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
 
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Thankfully I never said anything about the fans of Nintendo cause that'd be hypocritical but if you want to overreact go ahead. I genuinely don't care to argue how nonsensical people are about apple considering I'm literally part of the fandom lol.

Every fandom is disillusioned. Has nothing to do with being "sheeple."
the language is a little loaded, that’s all
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
Huh, this is very interesting and might change my mind on the current joy-con discourse.

They clearly got rid of the plus/minus button on this mock-up. The buttons are bigger and the joystick looks meatier.

Also looks like there could be rings around the face buttons? Perhaps the rumor that they can light up to change their indication color was true?

Forgive me, but what patent is this? Where did it come from?
 
The eShop from my understanding is a web page tangled up in secure JavaScript that slows it down. I would think it would be immediately improved with just having a more powerful system with a better CPU. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The layout of the eShop and responsiveness could be even improved by having more memory on hand. Should be a native application instead of an web view if they really want to improve it. Caching already loaded data could also help a lot.
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
Hmm, when I looked at those patent drawing, it looks too much like the current Switch hardware? I know there's some differences - like a rod in the back to prop unit up instead of a plastic tab. Other than the rod difference I can find, I guess the biggest one is open-faced dock.

Because if those are drawings for Switch 2, it crazy how it looks almost exactly like Switch 1. Are we sure this isn't one of those "found Nintendo patent" scenario where if we found a Nintendo patent, it probably means Nintendo has decided not to move forward with the patent?
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
Great find!!!
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
Is this something we already knew about? Or is this the first time the patent is coming up?
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
I hope this is wrong. Making it larger but still flat seems like such a waste.
 
Also looks like there could be rings around the face buttons? Perhaps the rumor that they can light up to change their indication color was true?
That was my first thought is that an outer ring could be a light. Would make sense for controlling with a single JoyCon-2 vs. using both as a complete pair.
 
Hmm, when I looked at those patent drawing, it looks too much like the current Switch hardware? I know there's some differences - like a rod in the back to prop unit up instead of a plastic tab. Other than the rod difference I can find, I guess the biggest one is open-faced dock.

Because if those are drawings for Switch 2, it crazy how it looks almost exactly like Switch 1. Are we sure this isn't one of those "found Nintendo patent" scenario where if we found a Nintendo patent, it probably means Nintendo has decided not to move forward with the patent?

I agree, it's just too similar. I feel like it's maybe some kind of update to the original Switch patent instead of being for the Switch 2. After making the OLED it would be insane for the Switch 2 to be more identical to the original Switch than the OLED is.
 
Yeah on second look it seems to be a prototype / unused joy-con shape since the one from 2016 also has d-pad joy con that were never officially released by Nintendo.
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
I'm trying my hand at reading through the patent for any specific details but I feel like i'm inevitably going to come up short.

If anyone in particular specializes in Patent Law in relation to hardware, I'd be very happy to hear of it.
 
That was my first thought is that an outer ring could be a light. Would make sense for controlling with a single JoyCon-2 vs. using both as a complete pair.
Lights would also be a major differentiating factor between version one and version two.

One of the major reasons why I struggle to think Nintendo would put out “joy-con(s) 2” is because it would cause massive amounts of confusion with customers. Folks would be upset trying to buy the new ones and learning they didn’t work on their current Switch.

Perhaps Nintendo’s got some clever marketing strategy or perhaps they just expect the size difference to be enough. Maybe I just think too lowly of the average Nintendo customer.
Edit: Okay yeah, seems everyone agrees these look too much like OG Switch joy-cons to be a new version.
 
I agree, it's just too similar. I feel like it's maybe some kind of update to the original Switch patent instead of being for the Switch 2. After making the OLED it would be insane for the Switch 2 to be more identical to the original Switch than the OLED is.
maybe these were Switch pro patents?
 
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I'm trying my hand at reading through the patent for any specific details but I feel like i'm inevitably going to come up short.

If anyone in particular specializes in Patent Law in relation to hardware, I'd be very happy to hear of it.
I wouldn't look further - there's a link to the 2017 version of the same thing https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/87/97/be/636e5eef358e6f/US9724601.pdf

The red flag in my case is that it's a "found patent" - The Nintendo patent rule mentioned around here is if you found patent, it most likely means Nintendo has decided not to move forward with the patent.

The other thing is it looks way too similar to existing Switch hardware (despite some differences like rod in back, and open-faced dock). It's probably a variation of existing patent that Nintendo ends up not using.
 
Lights would also be a major differentiating factor between version one and version two.

One of the major reasons why I struggle to think Nintendo would put out “joy-con(s) 2” is because it would cause massive amounts of confusion with customers. Folks would be upset trying to buy the new ones and learning they didn’t work on their current Switch.

Perhaps Nintendo’s got some clever marketing strategy or perhaps they just expect the size difference to be enough. Maybe I just think too lowly of the average Nintendo customer.
That's I think a tricky part about the messaging for the new console in general, but especially if JoyCon are there. Part of the reason why I think numbering things this go around is just easier ("Switch 2", "JoyCon 2", your "JoyCon 2" only work with your "Switch 2"). That being said regardless of branding I'm expecting the next set of JoyCon (if they exist) to be somehow visually distinct besides being larger.
 
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I wouldn't look further - there's a link to the 2017 version of the same thing https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/87/97/be/636e5eef358e6f/US9724601.pdf

The red flag in my case is that it's a "found patent" - The Nintendo patent rule mentioned around here is if you found patent, it most likely means Nintendo has decided not to move forward with the patent.

The other thing is it looks way too similar to existing Switch hardware (despite some differences like rod in back, and open-faced dock). It's probably a variation of existing patent that Nintendo ends up not using.
Ah that's a shame.

Still, why was it filed in Jun of Last Year. Was it to renew something or what?
 
Guys... This might be our first look at the new joycon in that patent. I took out the drawing of the original joycon that's in there and compared it to the new design in the same patent. Size is roughly estimated based on my previous work with that shipping data for a possibly new joycon. Funny enough the stick here is still smaller at this size than the original joycon. It might be even bigger than this relative to the old joycon.

joycon-pat2.jpg


https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/6e/7f/12/796551e1aed2ab/US20230338831A1.pdf
Sorry to burst the bubble but looks like that design is old as it came from 2017!
 
I just find a March reveal odd if it's coming out November.

Switch 1 reveal was 4 months before release. And that was with a system that was already dead (Wii U). Why would they have such a big gap from reveal to release when Switch 1 keeps selling. They are better of having a short marketing cycle.


A May/June/July reveal for a September/October/November release makes more sense
I've often been a proponent of the short announce-release period, but IF they've already decided to release in November? I wouldn't see a big advantage in waiting until June to announce, versus March. What sales are newly affected? The March, April, and May of year 8? Pretty small potatoes. Versus the advantages of simply letting third parties be able to talk about what they've got coming.
Having motion controls take a backseat while still being optional is probably better for streamlined game development anyway, especially for third parties. If anything, forcing motion controls to take a backseat helps those games reach more people and ensures their backwards compatibility for a future device/PC where motion controls may not be possible at all.
Developers are no more forced to use the motion capabilities of Joy-Cons now than in a future where they were totally optional. They'd just be less likely to bother at all, since fewer people would have them.
Letting folks connect joy-cons wirelessly is truly the best of both worlds. You get your optional motion controls on certain games where the developer wanted to support it but everything else just works out of the box without having to find a desk or table.

You’re also afforded the benefit of weightier controls that feel more ergonomic to adult hands.

I don’t think the folks who are so set on joy-cons coming back realize just how many benefits there are to getting rid of them.
This... does not seem like a best of both worlds situation to me? The only difference (listed here anyway) from how things are now is that everyone would be forced to use whatever controller shape they permanently attach to the portable mode rather than having the option of swapping to something else they like better. If someone with a Switch likes the Split Pad Pro, more power to them. If they think that should be the mandatory experience for everyone? No thanks.
Even steam deck (and other windows handhelds) have gyro. WTF
The only significant hardware maker to not have gyro is also finding so much success they're uhh currently seeming to go third party.
 
[THESE COULD BE OLD]
Have people posted these patents? I know we aren't supposed to look at this shit as anything more than a mad experiment but this is somewhat interesting.



the user has been posting a lot of them on his account with the breakdowns if anyone's interested (they are all pretty interesting, I recommend looking)

Summary:
  • Head mounted VR support, actual mount may have senors
  • Ergonomic joycon grip
  • New Cradle Dock with a built in sleep button (woah)
  • Tiny baby little kickstand that's just a single baby metal bar (wtf please no)
  • New joycon - larger shoulder buttons - new rail system (no button just force to pull them out, probably some nice engineering done there) - real dpad
  • Pro controller with pressure sensitive edges (near the deadzone area there are like pressure pads or something idk I studied marketing)

shoutout to the youtubers who are gonna use this as a boderline script in their next video jk I hate you all

Open face dock is an obvious one. Just too many reasons to do it that it would be dumb not to do it.
 
Do we believe the side scrolling shoulder button rumor? Was it a credible leak?
Sakurai said he's been begging Nintendo to add scrolling shoulder buttons for multiple consoles. Every time they told him no. It was in a recent youtube video on his channel. Given that, I would say they are likely still against the idea.
 
Do we believe the side scrolling shoulder button rumor? Was it a credible leak?
I don't recall an actual rumor or leak. There was a patent in 2015 for mechanical scroll wheel shoulder buttons.

If Nintendo implements this, they could go with some combination of sound + haptics + touch to simulate scrolling like a classic iPod / Steam Deck touchpad.
 
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Yea for all these reasons I was thinking... this might be it! But yea... it's not it. However, this could still be pretty close to what the final looks like, and it gives us a visual on the size difference, specifically the buttons. I want a full-fat stick though and that doesn't show that.
 
At least we're able to organize our huge digital libraries into "folders" now (I think that was a later additional to the menu system, not originally included). But yeah, Switch 1 menu system is lacking (and so is eShop, it's molasses to navigate around there)
I think it's nearly perfect. Doesn't need much. A faster, clearer way to get to "All Games and Apps" from the home screen's home position, more organisational options, more quick settings (like choosing a BT device). That's all it NEEDS, in my opinion.

As for what I WANT out of the next generation:

The same layout, the same inputs, the above improvements, themes available via NSO App , and better optimised eShop running on a better CPU.

Hmm, when I looked at those patent drawing, it looks too much like the current Switch hardware? I know there's some differences - like a rod in the back to prop unit up instead of a plastic tab. Other than the rod difference I can find, I guess the biggest one is open-faced dock.

Because if those are drawings for Switch 2, it crazy how it looks almost exactly like Switch 1. Are we sure this isn't one of those "found Nintendo patent" scenario where if we found a Nintendo patent, it probably means Nintendo has decided not to move forward with the patent?

This seems to be an update to an earlier patent wherein all of this was outlined, including the alternative grip styles. Some things, as you said, are not merely Nintendo Switch but seemingly from pre-release prototypes or designs (like the stick rather than flat panel for a kickstand.)

It also goes through many (unused) variations of Joy-Con, but it's clear that this patent is just outlining the detachable controller, how it attaches, and how docking works on the original Nintendo Switch.

What I find funny is the cradle in the patent has you put the system in with the screen facing away from you.
 
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Want to ask a question about the Switch 2 Reveal, whenever in March that is. When the trailer gets posted, how much chance do you all think that pre-orders are going to open up? Asking this to be prepared.
I doubt it, but I don't remember when it happened with the original switch.

But I suppose they will let us know ahead of time when they open pre orders.
 
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