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Lugia667 said:
because Playstation and Xbox controllers have drift too
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facts. I think it's worse on xbox based on my research after my launch day controller had drift lol.

And it took about the same amount of time for drift to occur as it did my launch joy cons and....I used it maybe 10-15% of the time. I read somewhere that they all have the same manufacturer but I cannot confirm that. I did not look into that specifically.
 
Hocot8 said:
facts. I think it's worse on xbox based on my research after my launch day controller had drift lol.

And it took about the same amount of time for drift to occur as it did my launch joy cons and....I used it maybe 10-15% of the time. I read somewhere that they all have the same manufacturer but I cannot confirm that. I did not look into that specifically.
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My Xbox Series X controller started drifting after 100 hours or so, or just after a month. That, and the D-Pad is incredibly loud. Hideous controller all around.
 
yusufied said:
I'm not counting on that. I'm planning on having several tabs open during the showcase event constantly refreshing multiple stores using a different DNS address than I normally use for faster page loading. No way I'm getting locked out of a pre-order.
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My brother taught me a way, I am not sure if I am ready to reveal it as it will be used against me.
 
bmfrosty said:
I'm thinking November. I'd like September, but November means that they'll be able to have more units on launch day and any launch titles will be able to be more polished that they might be otherwise.
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Having more units isn't going to help since no matter how many units they have in stock the real bottleneck is the speed at which how much of them they can distribuite to the world.
The one thing that they can do to satisfy better the demand is split the hardcore crowd from the holiday crowd by releasing it in September.
 
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eye0h said:
I feel like that has to be a front. He must've heard something because it's such a mid anecdotal reason
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I've heard similar reasoning ('they must have heard something') for MVG speculating on no BC and Digital Foundry speculating on 8nm. I think it's entirely possible that whatever developer contacts they have (they being Nate, John, Rich, or MVG), don't know the full nature of the device. Similar to how Nintendo did not share all the information about the Switch to developers, even those with the SDK, prior to launch.

Devkits can look quite different from the final device. Like this GBA devkit, which IGN wrote an article on before the GBA was even properly revealed.

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And as shared earlier, the prototype SDEV Switch devkit did not have joy con rails, and not every dev with an SDK knew of the joy-cons prior to revel.

If Nintendo wants to keep the retail appearance of the device under wraps, then it would make sense to not disclose certain details even to developers with a devkit, if it's not relevant to the games they're developing. Who knows - maybe the dev-kits have the controls bolted on. Maybe they're similar to the prototype SDEV and are just the tablet portion, requiring a wired controller to test games.

I'm going off the balance of probability here - either their contacts do indeed know for sure that retail units will lack joy-cons and Nintendo is regressing in the hybrid idea, or their contacts don't have the full picture (as developers in the past also lacked it) and Nintendo will iterate on a successful concept. Hmm.
 
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That DS devkit isn't genuine. It existed and was used by Alpha Dreams but it wasn't a DS devkit; at this time Alpha Dreams hadn't received devkits yet, so this device was made to help conceptualize DS games. There's no DS hardware or even a touch screen. It wouldn't make sense if this was an official Nintendo kit given that Iris had mostly identical hardware to the DS.
 
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mariodk18 said:
So I know we’ve discussed it a bit, but when the hardware gets revealed, are we going to make a new FHW thread? Call it 2 or whatever the new name is.
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If this is a community vote, personally I would prefer this one is kept at least until the product is launched.

Might be worth having a general hardware discussion thread in the future as well as there are quite a few members here who mainly interact with this site for hardware related discussion. I think there would be enough people interested in discussing the details and future opportunities of current hardware even after the system is revealed.
 
Individualised said:
That DS devkit isn't genuine (it existed and was used by Alpha Dreams but it wasn't a DS devkit; at this time Alpha Dreams hadn't received devkits yet, but knew the system would have had 2 screens and 4 face buttons, so this device was made to help conceptualize DS games. There's no DS hardware or even a touch screen, so it wasn't used for DS development. It wouldn't make sense for Nintendo to go from Iris, a system whose hardware was mostly identical to the DS and may have even had a shell and branding in place, back down to a rough draft devkit made using GBA hardware.).
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Fair, since it wasn't actual devkit hardware, I removed it from the post.

But to further my point - even during the early development of their title, Alpha Dream didn't have all the details of the hardware and needed to Frankenstein this device together to begin working on their game.
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The Switch 2 is definitely not at this early stage right now - but similarly, developers could be testing their games with existing Switch controllers while Nintendo keeps the new ones a secret.
 
seyfeselassie said:
Just a couple of things,

The 2DS was not a successor to the 3DS, it was merely an alternative(it did sell well however and Nintendo decided to expand on that). The Switch 2 will eventually be the main Nintendo console on the market.

The Joy-Cons aren't determining the overall Switch model, and isn't affecting storage or RAM. Screen size can be dealt with(the PS Portal was literally just a tablet with the ends of a DualSense controller slapped on each side). Only improvement having a uniform body would bring is cooling, and not by much.

I get your point about the motion controls, but the actual ergonomic design of the Switch can still be improved on by making the Joy-Cons slightly more robust. Issues like stick drift aren't affected by uniform or split designs, it's the problem with the stick's build.
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You mean to tell me that having all the extra space that the rails and enclosure for the joy-cons take up couldn’t be spent on more battery, more tolerances for the screen, and bigger buttons? What?
 
mariodk18 said:
So I know we’ve discussed it a bit, but when the hardware gets revealed, are we going to make a new FHW thread? Call it 2 or whatever the new name is.
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I think I've seen it suggested before that this thread aughta stay open at least until we have die shots of T239
 
Raccoon said:
uhhh A) there are no switch 2 joy-cons and B) I'm talking about handheld mode

maybe you could argue that the wii u gamepad applies but iirc that thing was really light (and uh, failed anyway)
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We have pretty good reason to believe that the console has a new split controller, which is more likely than not in a similar form factor to the Joy-Cons.

HID services - Nintendo Switch Brew

switchbrew.org switchbrew.org

Joy-Con - Nintendo Switch Brew

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The firmware has some support (part of which was added pretty recently) for a mysterious controller codenamed "fifty" which has left and right versions just like Joy-Cons. We can't conclusively tell what form "fifty" will take, but a next gen version of Joy-Cons that is adapted to the shape of the new device and probably picked up a new feature or two seems like a pretty logical guess.
 
bmfrosty said:
Some people are just trolling, I think.
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KathBaily last year on ign voice chat. She was the 1st person saying that. Recently, she did again.

Now the floodgates are coming.

She actually said no more gyro controls. And then no more gimmicks. But she said that she was afraid and sad that Nintendo would probably choose this way.
 
Notsowise said:
KathBaily last year on ign voice chat. She was the 1st person saying that. Recently, she did again.

Now the floodgates are coming.

She actually said no more gyro controls. And then no more gimmicks. But she said that she was afraid and sad that Nintendo would probably choose this way.
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No more gyro? Afraid and sad that they would probably choose this way? What was she basing any of this off of?
 
Notsowise said:
KathBaily last year on ign voice chat. She was the 1st person saying that. Recently, she did again.

Now the floodgates are coming.

She actually said no more gyro controls. And then no more gimmicks. But she said that she was afraid and sad that Nintendo would probably choose this way.
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No joy cons is debatable. No gyros though? I don't believe that because of Splatoon.

Unless Nintendo really wanted to cut back on features to make sure the Switch 2 was even more powerful or the Switch 2 will release at a cheaper price while still maintaining its specs.
 
Common Knowledge said:
How does one reconcile the belief that there will no longer be joycon/gyro with the belief that it will have BC?
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Isn't it obvious? No BC either.

If we're entertaining one low probability hypothetical, might as well entertain another.
 
Serif said:
More games should use the thumbs up grip honestly

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Add haptic touch surfaces to the shoulder buttons and you could scroll through weapons in between punches
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I see you have come to see the light of capactive pressure sensitive shoulder buttons... (Something I REALLY want but honestly doubt we'll get.)
 
BingBong43 said:
You mean to tell me that having all the extra space that the rails and enclosure for the joy-cons take up couldn’t be spent on more battery, more tolerances for the screen, and bigger buttons? What?
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Button size: Possibly, but split design doesn't mean you can't make bigger buttons

Battery: The actual size of the battery doesn't need to be so large that it spans the entire Switch. Could they do that? Sure, but most gaming handhelds don't need that type of design: The Lenovo Legion Go, Switch+OLED, Steam Deck+OLED, and the AYANEO Air Pro all have batteries that fit within the screen and don't go anywhere near the actual controls/controllers(wish I could upload pictures but my links aren't working)

Tolerances on the Screen: I assume you're referring to the size of the screen, which isn't necessarily that much of a problem, since the Lenovo Legion Pro has a whopping 8.8 inch screen with detachable controllers and it gets great reviews.
 
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ziggyrivers said:
Assuming Switch 2 Joycons are peak Nintendo controller innovation, how much more could they innovate when the Switch 3 gets around?
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They’ll take the same route others have once innovation has plateaued, reliability/precision upgrades, better battery life etc
 
I can't believe we're about a month away.

After all these years of speculating about Switch Pro, Drake, T239, etc.....it's finally almost here.
 
YolkFolk said:
Famiboards…

Over the last weeks I’ve taken all information with regards to the Switch 2 and fed it into the YolkFolk super computer in the YolkFolk cave.

I’ve asked for it to reveal exactly what the final Switch 2 will look like with no Joy Cons, a bulkier look & feel, better sticks & buttons and a camera.

Here is the result:

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I legit really like the gamepad for how it feels to hold and being pretty high quality overall. As much as I like the Switch, it does feel more flimsy and not as high quality when it comes to the build.
 
I wonder if Nintendo will announce it in a similar way to how Rockstar announced GTA VI. Like if on the third of March they write a Tweet marking the Switch's seventh anniversary that also announces the date or timeframe when they intend to reveal the next generation of Nintendo hardware.
 
Stephen said:
I wonder if Nintendo will announce it in a similar way to how Rockstar announced GTA VI. Like if on the third of March they write a Tweet marking the Switch's seventh anniversary that also announces the date or timeframe when they intend to reveal the next generation of Nintendo hardware.
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Thats surely causing an internet implosion. Sounds fun
 
"Introducing the Switch 2, it can switch to TV mode but you'll have to buy a whole extra $70 controller if you want to do that, and feature wise it's effectively just a worse steam deck."

They can't possibly be this stupid, can they?
 
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