While xbox sales haven't been great, going fully multi-platform seems to be a complete withdrawal from the console space. Why would you get an an xbox, if all those games will go elsewhere and those other platforms have their own exclusives too.
There's always the option for GOG.oof that Starfield post. when that's getting ported everything is fair game
I bought Xbox for 20 years so they can use that money to fund games and services and build up the platform. Use that money on a remastered Lost Odyssey or an Xbox port that didn't already exist such as Fallout 1 or 2 which are PC only currently from one of their first party studios or from a 3rd party like Falcom and Ys games. Nope, what I'm paying for is early access and beta test games like Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush so they can port them to the other platforms
I think they'll keep making consoles for Game Pass people. a large number of the subs come from the console space still.
damn we're really losing an ecosystem lol. now the only choices are Steam, PS, and Nintendo. I was doing really well with just Xbox and Nintendo but since non-Steam gaming is not viable I'm down to buying things only on Nintendo's platform. that's so great.
so are we Nintendo fans getting Hi-Fi Rush?
We might just have to agree to disagree here. I think this is a good thing for the industry. Microsoft didn't make their studios organically like Sony and Nintendo did. Buying companies to turn previously multiplatform games into exclusives is horrible for consumers.Everything is growing. That’s not a PC only thing.
The Steam Deck hasn’t exactly taken off, so I’m not sure that’s the best comparison.
Maybe I’m wrong, but even if Xbox is lagging behind they’re still a big competitor on the market. Not having another AAA console available at all sounds like a mess waiting to happen.
Uh, no? They’re releasing games on PC because the PC market doesn’t overlap with consoles much. Has nothing to do with this magical ceiling you’ve conjured up out of thin air.Not game pass apparently.
And no, consoles doesn't seem to be growing, consoles have a ceiling despite PS5 and Switch selling really well and fast.
It's the reason PS and Xbox are releasing games on PC (and elsewhere later it seems), because console sales have a ceiling.
I don't know but this seems like giving up, and it also arguably gives Sony a monopoly in the AAA space which is not a good thingHow much money is Microsoft supposed to throw at their hardware when sales are slowing down and most likely selling worse than Xbox One? They are barely visible in Europe and Japan and it would be a colossal waste to try to spend so much money getting back to being relevant again after the 360 days which is a long time ago
Never said Xbox’s strategy was good for consumers. I just think this could end up being worse in the long run.We might just have to agree to disagree here. I think this is a good thing for the industry. Microsoft didn't make their studios organically like Sony and Nintendo did. Buying companies to turn previously multiplatform games into exclusives is horrible for consumers.
Uh, no? They’re releasing games on PC because the PC market doesn’t overlap with consoles much. Has nothing to do with this magical ceiling you’ve conjured up out of thin air.
There’s no ceiling on anything. Consoles like the PS2 and DS don’t represent the highest sales can ever go. And they certainly don’t mean that PC will pass up consoles either, especially with tech literacy on the decline.
Fair. I don't know, I guess I want to see the positive side of this. Maybe this stops the recent acquisition rush too. Sony won't need to buy any more studios if Microsoft isn't. Developers would stay independent.Never said Xbox’s strategy was good for consumers. I just think this could end up being worse in the long run.
It was lose-lose either way, hence why I’m mixed.
Selfishly, this is what bothers me the most about this. Sony's ecosystem is already wildly expensive as is, I don't want to picture how much more advantage of their position they'll take in the future.I don't know but this seems like giving up, and it also arguably gives Sony a monopoly in the AAA space which is not a good thing
isn't Gog owned by CDPR? I don't want to support them either.There's always the option for GOG.
That's it for Xbox hardware, isn't it. After all the drama about the ABK acquisition and potential CoD exclusivity, this is how it ends.
Are they? I never knew that.isn't Gog owned by CDPR? I don't want to support them either.
I men judging by all the known info about switch 2, it will be able to run most modern 3rd party games perfectly fine. Plus PlayStation currently isn’t exactly on top of the world either, with rising budgets masigelt hurting their amount of exclusives and revenue from games. I mean just look at the insomniac leak, didn’t they made a grand total of 100 dollars of that sunset overdrive game?None of those are direct competitors. PC has a significantly higher barrier to entry than console gaming, while VR and mobile are targeting very different audiences. And Nintendo is years off from catching up to the current generation of hardware.
They already kinda have one given how irrelevant Xbox has been in terms of sales, but Sony would have complete control over the AAA console market. And unless Nintendo or PC makes a drastic shift away from where they are now, that wouldn’t change for the foreseeable future.
That’s probably the best mindset to have in all this.Fair. I don't know, I guess I want to see the positive side of this. Maybe this stops the recent acquisition rush too. Sony won't need to buy any more studios if Microsoft isn't. Developers would stay independent.
this is my biggest takeaway, with the success of the PS4 arrogant sony returned and that isn't a good thing.Selfishly, this is what bothers me the most about this. Sony's ecosystem is already wildly expensive as is, I don't want to picture how much more advantage of their position they'll take in the future.
Sounds like a Halo/Forza/Gears/Fable tease.
I’m guessing Starfield didn’t do anywhere near as well as they were hoping over the holidays, and they’re pulling the plug now.so, what do you all think about this in the timing sense.
Like, is this something they’ve planned for right now or something they’re perhaps rushing into?
Because it does feel rush. And if that’s the case something negative must’ve happened. Or it’s been planned and it’s just wait and see
they already given her a golden parachute and she knows where the exit is. all she has to do is jumpI love how they recently promoted Sarah Bond to be the head of the Xbox platform, and now Microsoft as a whole is effectively killing the Xbox platform. Is this a way to backdoor her out of the company or something?
I have a feeling this was caused by Starfield and Forza Motorsport. I'm guessing they didn't hit revenue targets (both game sales and console sales) and Microsoft is panicking. They just spent a LOT of money on Activision.so, what do you all think about this in the timing sense.
Like, is this something they’ve planned for right now or something they’re perhaps rushing into?
Because it does feel rush. And if that’s the case something negative must’ve happened. Or it’s been planned and it’s just wait and see
I wonder how this news squares with that slide we saw leaked last year showing an all digital Series X. If they're giving up on hardware, I doubt that thing sees the light of day.Honestly I’m kind of shocked that their current gen console is doing so poorly that going third party is a viable alternative for them. I still don’t really get how it’s less successful than the Xbox One.
I still don’t really get how it’s less successful than the Xbox One.
I don't think they're giving hardware up completely yet. Certain games will go multiplatform this year, but it'll take years for everything to get ported. Microsoft still has to make money in this meantime.I wonder how this news squares with that slide we saw leaked last year showing an all digital Series X. If they're giving up on hardware, I doubt that thing sees the light of day.
They spent a lot on Activision AND they gave up a lot of power for Activision because of the anti-trust fights they had to do for them with the FCC and CMA. Whatever power they could have exploited by owning Activision they lost as they had to make sacrifices.I have a feeling this was caused by Starfield and Forza Motorsport. I'm guessing they didn't hit revenue targets (both game sales and console sales) and Microsoft is panicking. They just spent a LOT of money on Activision.
I think not being able to secure CoD exclusivity was the final nail in the coffin. If they had been more aggressive with pushing exclusives in general, maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation now.so, what do you all think about this in the timing sense.
Like, is this something they’ve planned for right now or something they’re perhaps rushing into?
Because it does feel rush. And if that’s the case something negative must’ve happened. Or it’s been planned and it’s just wait and see
Xbox One tanked the brand and Sony dominated the generation. And so far Microsoft has done nothing to earn trust back except for Gamepass, but that's blowing up in their face.Honestly I’m kind of shocked that their current gen console is doing so poorly that going third party is a viable alternative for them. I still don’t really get how it’s less successful than the Xbox One.