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Rumour Xbox First Party going third party/multiplat - Discussing and Summary Thread (UPDATE: 4 Xbox exclusives are coming to Nintendo Switch and PS5)

Onilink97 said:
While xbox sales haven't been great, going fully multi-platform seems to be a complete withdrawal from the console space. Why would you get an an xbox, if all those games will go elsewhere and those other platforms have their own exclusives too.
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How much money is Microsoft supposed to throw at their hardware when sales are slowing down and most likely selling worse than Xbox One? They are barely visible in Europe and Japan and it would be a colossal waste to try to spend so much money getting back to being relevant again after the 360 days which is a long time ago
 
ohlawd said:
oof that Starfield post. when that's getting ported everything is fair game

I bought Xbox for 20 years so they can use that money to fund games and services and build up the platform. Use that money on a remastered Lost Odyssey or an Xbox port that didn't already exist such as Fallout 1 or 2 which are PC only currently from one of their first party studios or from a 3rd party like Falcom and Ys games. Nope, what I'm paying for is early access and beta test games like Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush so they can port them to the other platforms

I think they'll keep making consoles for Game Pass people. a large number of the subs come from the console space still.

damn we're really losing an ecosystem lol. now the only choices are Steam, PS, and Nintendo. I was doing really well with just Xbox and Nintendo but since non-Steam gaming is not viable I'm down to buying things only on Nintendo's platform. that's so great.
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There's always the option for GOG.
 
That's it for Xbox hardware, isn't it. After all the drama about the ABK acquisition and potential CoD exclusivity, this is how it ends.
 
Thunder84 said:
Everything is growing. That’s not a PC only thing.



The Steam Deck hasn’t exactly taken off, so I’m not sure that’s the best comparison.

Maybe I’m wrong, but even if Xbox is lagging behind they’re still a big competitor on the market. Not having another AAA console available at all sounds like a mess waiting to happen.
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We might just have to agree to disagree here. I think this is a good thing for the industry. Microsoft didn't make their studios organically like Sony and Nintendo did. Buying companies to turn previously multiplatform games into exclusives is horrible for consumers.
 
fantomena said:
Not game pass apparently.

And no, consoles doesn't seem to be growing, consoles have a ceiling despite PS5 and Switch selling really well and fast.

It's the reason PS and Xbox are releasing games on PC (and elsewhere later it seems), because console sales have a ceiling.
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Uh, no? They’re releasing games on PC because the PC market doesn’t overlap with consoles much. Has nothing to do with this magical ceiling you’ve conjured up out of thin air.

There’s no ceiling on anything. Consoles like the PS2 and DS don’t represent the highest sales can ever go. And they certainly don’t mean that PC will pass up consoles either, especially with tech literacy on the decline.
 
Mr Swine said:
How much money is Microsoft supposed to throw at their hardware when sales are slowing down and most likely selling worse than Xbox One? They are barely visible in Europe and Japan and it would be a colossal waste to try to spend so much money getting back to being relevant again after the 360 days which is a long time ago
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I don't know but this seems like giving up, and it also arguably gives Sony a monopoly in the AAA space which is not a good thing
 
If Microsoft stops making Xbox consoles I hope they don’t stop making controllers. The current Xbox controller is by far the best controller IMO and I want to keep using it forever.
 
Magic-Man said:
We might just have to agree to disagree here. I think this is a good thing for the industry. Microsoft didn't make their studios organically like Sony and Nintendo did. Buying companies to turn previously multiplatform games into exclusives is horrible for consumers.
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Never said Xbox’s strategy was good for consumers. I just think this could end up being worse in the long run.

It was lose-lose either way, hence why I’m mixed.
 
Thunder84 said:
Uh, no? They’re releasing games on PC because the PC market doesn’t overlap with consoles much. Has nothing to do with this magical ceiling you’ve conjured up out of thin air.

There’s no ceiling on anything. Consoles like the PS2 and DS don’t represent the highest sales can ever go. And they certainly don’t mean that PC will pass up consoles either, especially with tech literacy on the decline.
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Then I just have to disagree there.
 
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Thunder84 said:
Never said Xbox’s strategy was good for consumers. I just think this could end up being worse in the long run.

It was lose-lose either way, hence why I’m mixed.
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Fair. I don't know, I guess I want to see the positive side of this. Maybe this stops the recent acquisition rush too. Sony won't need to buy any more studios if Microsoft isn't. Developers would stay independent.
 
Onilink97 said:
I don't know but this seems like giving up, and it also arguably gives Sony a monopoly in the AAA space which is not a good thing
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Selfishly, this is what bothers me the most about this. Sony's ecosystem is already wildly expensive as is, I don't want to picture how much more advantage of their position they'll take in the future.
 
Just bring Fallout 3 & Vegas, man. If Rockstar can bring RDR1 and Konami MGS4, Bethesda can do much better for Fallout. Ducktape schmucktape. Just re-release them.
 
Bokuringo said:
That's it for Xbox hardware, isn't it. After all the drama about the ABK acquisition and potential CoD exclusivity, this is how it ends.
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They should have just offered the XBox division to Nintendo to run and given them a lucrative deal to do so. Would have been better than letting their current staff continue to mismanage a pretty valuable hardware brand right into the toilet.
 
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Thunder84 said:
None of those are direct competitors. PC has a significantly higher barrier to entry than console gaming, while VR and mobile are targeting very different audiences. And Nintendo is years off from catching up to the current generation of hardware.

They already kinda have one given how irrelevant Xbox has been in terms of sales, but Sony would have complete control over the AAA console market. And unless Nintendo or PC makes a drastic shift away from where they are now, that wouldn’t change for the foreseeable future.
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I men judging by all the known info about switch 2, it will be able to run most modern 3rd party games perfectly fine. Plus PlayStation currently isn’t exactly on top of the world either, with rising budgets masigelt hurting their amount of exclusives and revenue from games. I mean just look at the insomniac leak, didn’t they made a grand total of 100 dollars of that sunset overdrive game?
 
Honestly I’m kind of shocked that their current gen console is doing so poorly that going third party is a viable alternative for them. I still don’t really get how it’s less successful than the Xbox One.
 
When you can finally play Mario, Sonic, Crash Bandicoot, and Blinx the Cat all on one Nintendo system

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Magic-Man said:
Fair. I don't know, I guess I want to see the positive side of this. Maybe this stops the recent acquisition rush too. Sony won't need to buy any more studios if Microsoft isn't. Developers would stay independent.
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That’s probably the best mindset to have in all this.
 
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With Phil's "I hear you Banjo fans" maybe...Just maybe we are finally getting something new from the Banjo series, with how good Microsoft has supported the Switch and the future with the COD support. Do you think a new banjo game and/or remake would be on Xbox Series X|S, Nintendo Switch (2?)...
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I love how they recently promoted Sarah Bond to be the head of the Xbox platform, and now Microsoft as a whole is effectively killing the Xbox platform. Is this a way to backdoor her out of the company or something?
 
MarcelRguez said:
Selfishly, this is what bothers me the most about this. Sony's ecosystem is already wildly expensive as is, I don't want to picture how much more advantage of their position they'll take in the future.
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this is my biggest takeaway, with the success of the PS4 arrogant sony returned and that isn't a good thing.
 
Starfield having a VR mode on PS5 would be pretty cool. If Sony could somehow get that made
 
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so, what do you all think about this in the timing sense.

Like, is this something they’ve planned for right now or something they’re perhaps rushing into?

Because it does feel rush. And if that’s the case something negative must’ve happened. Or it’s been planned and it’s just wait and see
 
DecoReturns said:
so, what do you all think about this in the timing sense.

Like, is this something they’ve planned for right now or something they’re perhaps rushing into?

Because it does feel rush. And if that’s the case something negative must’ve happened. Or it’s been planned and it’s just wait and see
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I’m guessing Starfield didn’t do anywhere near as well as they were hoping over the holidays, and they’re pulling the plug now.
 
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Scrawnton said:
I love how they recently promoted Sarah Bond to be the head of the Xbox platform, and now Microsoft as a whole is effectively killing the Xbox platform. Is this a way to backdoor her out of the company or something?
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they already given her a golden parachute and she knows where the exit is. all she has to do is jump
 
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DecoReturns said:
so, what do you all think about this in the timing sense.

Like, is this something they’ve planned for right now or something they’re perhaps rushing into?

Because it does feel rush. And if that’s the case something negative must’ve happened. Or it’s been planned and it’s just wait and see
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I have a feeling this was caused by Starfield and Forza Motorsport. I'm guessing they didn't hit revenue targets (both game sales and console sales) and Microsoft is panicking. They just spent a LOT of money on Activision.
 
As someone who greatly prefers Xbox's ecosystem over what Playstation offers, this saddens me. Xbox will become a gamepass machine and be even more niche than it is now, making it even easier for Sony to lock down exclusives and withhold Japanese games from their competitors. Xbox getting even less games is how to run me away from the platform again...
 
YoboD said:
Honestly I’m kind of shocked that their current gen console is doing so poorly that going third party is a viable alternative for them. I still don’t really get how it’s less successful than the Xbox One.
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I wonder how this news squares with that slide we saw leaked last year showing an all digital Series X. If they're giving up on hardware, I doubt that thing sees the light of day.
 
YoboD said:
I still don’t really get how it’s less successful than the Xbox One.
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I own an Xbox Series S and I love it. The combination of backwards compatibility + GamePass is incredible.

But for some reason, Microsoft has done a horrible job with branding.

Like, people rightfully make jokes about how the name "Wii U" was stupid.

But the thing is... Xbox One and Xbox Series S/X are stupid names too.
 
EvilChameleon said:
I wonder how this news squares with that slide we saw leaked last year showing an all digital Series X. If they're giving up on hardware, I doubt that thing sees the light of day.
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I don't think they're giving hardware up completely yet. Certain games will go multiplatform this year, but it'll take years for everything to get ported. Microsoft still has to make money in this meantime.
 
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Far into the future, the Xbox One reveal and everything beyond will be studied as THE example of self-inflicted brand implosion. Mattrick, Spencer, and Booty gotta be the most incompetent execs in the biz.
 
Might be overdramatic but this effectively feels like MS throwing in the towel as far the traditional console business goes.
 
Magic-Man said:
I have a feeling this was caused by Starfield and Forza Motorsport. I'm guessing they didn't hit revenue targets (both game sales and console sales) and Microsoft is panicking. They just spent a LOT of money on Activision.
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They spent a lot on Activision AND they gave up a lot of power for Activision because of the anti-trust fights they had to do for them with the FCC and CMA. Whatever power they could have exploited by owning Activision they lost as they had to make sacrifices.
 
DecoReturns said:
so, what do you all think about this in the timing sense.

Like, is this something they’ve planned for right now or something they’re perhaps rushing into?

Because it does feel rush. And if that’s the case something negative must’ve happened. Or it’s been planned and it’s just wait and see
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I think not being able to secure CoD exclusivity was the final nail in the coffin. If they had been more aggressive with pushing exclusives in general, maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
 
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YoboD said:
Honestly I’m kind of shocked that their current gen console is doing so poorly that going third party is a viable alternative for them. I still don’t really get how it’s less successful than the Xbox One.
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Xbox One tanked the brand and Sony dominated the generation. And so far Microsoft has done nothing to earn trust back except for Gamepass, but that's blowing up in their face.
 
Microsoft has earned their distant 3rd place (4th is you include valve) with bad business decisions and not supporting and cultivating their exisiting studios to the level of their competitors. However, this is still scary for the console market. Sony going without direct competition is not good at all and even Nintendo and maybe Valve may become a little more bold in their profit drive. Companies are not your friends.
 
I do have to say this does work out well for Switch 2. If Nintendo can get a MS exec on stage and say, "You can play Rare titles and Halo, as well as other Xbox IPs on the upcoming Switch 2", then that's just going to boost Switch 2's hype even further.
 
Okay let me pitch a possibility of how Xbox can salvage the hardware situation and anyone with more knowledge on the tech side of things tell me if my idea is valid or not


They should let end users install Windows 11 onto existing Xbox Series consoles and turn them into fixed-spec Windows Gaming PCs that have an Xbox UI front end for controller-based navigation, but also you can install whatever you like on them because they’re Windows machines, including Steam and Steam games. Similar to a Steam Deck, where it is just a Linux computer under the hood, but it has a Steam front end to make it feel more console-like.

Going forward, they can continue the Xbox brand by making small form-factor gaming PCs for the TV/living room and branding them Xbox. All of your Xbox purchases carry forward, but also you can play just about any Windows game on it as well.

Would that work?
 
Who know that Xbox one’s disastrous reveal and launch would still be lingering till this day.

And a combination of Sony doing the best job possible to gain back support after a poor PS3 first years.

That Gen was the worst one to lose for Xbox. And they’ve never recovered. Even if the Hardware issues, they just couldn’t make the games that could’ve also helped them. They made good games. But that’s it, they didn’t really released “masterpieces” like Sony and Nintendo did.

Just fascinating all around
 
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This...could also DESTROY any legs the series X has. Any hope of it even matching the Xbox One's sales may be done now
 
I really don't know how to feel about this. I never really cared much for XBox hardware (except the controllers) or most of their games and I'd love to see the few things I am interested in on Nintendo hardware... but unchecked Sony in the AAA-space sucks big dinosaur balls :/
 
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