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I'm not gonna sweat over any announced 2025 games just yet. Switch 2 is coming 2024. We can wait for the console reveal and a sizzle reel for future games and see MH6 and GTAVI on it
 
ohlawd said:
I'm not gonna sweat over any announced 2025 games just yet. Switch 2 is coming 2024. We can wait for the console reveal and a sizzle reel for future games and see MH6 and GTAVI on it
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Call me pessimistic but I just don't see GTA VI on Switch 2, especially not at launch. Assuming they could run it without compromising too much, file size wasn't a deterrent, and Nintendo's online was suitable for Rockstar's plans, I feel they would launch it with or after PC, at the earliest.
 
ehluigi said:
Call me pessimistic but I just don't see GTA VI on Switch 2, especially not at launch. Assuming they could run it without compromising too much, file size wasn't a deterrent, and Nintendo's online was suitable for Rockstar's plans, I feel they would launch it with or after PC, at the earliest.
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There’s a lot of GTA VI talk for a company that has not had a current gen GTA release in quite awhile (last one was what, Chinatown wars?). Kind of a moot point, I think.

What’s really important, hardware wise, for Nintendo is how they will differentiate this new hardware from the Switch for the normal consumer. I’m assuming colored buttons and a new dock - look forward to the inevitable leaks of the controller/system casings since we pretty much know the internals.
 
I mean, People are unsure if even Monster hunter wilds and Visions of Mana will release on Switch 2, so GTA VI should be seen as next to impossible for the Switch 2.
 
AnimalCrosser said:
There’s a lot of GTA VI talk for a company that has not had a current gen GTA release in quite awhile (last one was what, Chinatown wars?). Kind of a moot point, I think.
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I find it really odd that people really think Rockstar would prioritize a Nintendo platform for a mainline GTA, especially one that will likely push the base current gen consoles to their limits with CPU utilization. Not to mention how important a good online experience is for the series, something Nintendo hasn't exactly impressed us all with.
 
ehluigi said:
I find it really odd that people really think Rockstar would prioritize a Nintendo platform for a mainline GTA, especially one that will likely push the base current gen consoles to their limits with CPU utilization. Not to mention how important a good online experience is for the series, something Nintendo hasn't exactly impressed us all with.
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Wishful thinking from people that think Switch 2 will get an explosion of third party support, while it will just get indies and 5 year old ports mostly like the Switch. Capcom will release a collection of retro 90s game on Switch 2 and call it a day. Rockstar will at most publish the first GTA game from 1997 on Switch 2 and that will be seen as incredible support from Rockstar to the Nintendo ecosystem.
 
ohlawd said:
I'm not gonna sweat over any announced 2025 games just yet. Switch 2 is coming 2024. We can wait for the console reveal and a sizzle reel for future games and see MH6 and GTAVI on it
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I’d be genuinely shocked if GTAVI comes to the Switch 2 based on what we’ve seen.

I can reasonably believe that MH6 could get a port, though.
 
Danny said:
I mean, People are unsure if even Monster hunter wilds and Visions of Mana will release on Switch 2, so GTA VI should be seen as next to impossible for the Switch 2.
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People were also confident that there was no way 13 Sentinels or Persona 5 would release on the Switch. I wouldn't put much stock in what people, especially gamers, think.

Although to be fair I'm also in the camp that GTA VI won't be on the Switch 2. Not because of hypothetical specs, but just cause I can see Rockstar skipping the platform.
 
ehluigi said:
Call me pessimistic but I just don't see GTA VI on Switch 2, especially not at launch. Assuming they could run it without compromising too much, file size wasn't a deterrent, and Nintendo's online was suitable for Rockstar's plans, I feel they would launch it with or after PC, at the earliest.
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I’d be genuinely shocked if GTAVI comes to the Switch 2 based on what we’ve seen.

I can reasonably believe that MH6 could get a port, though.
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I mentioned GTAVI because it was the only other 2025 game I know of and don't care to look for other examples. I didn't want MH6 to be my only example

hope I don't get quoted any more about this 💀
 
Seven said:
People were also confident that there was no way 13 Sentinels or Persona 5 would release on the Switch. I wouldn't put much stock in what people, especially gamers, think.

Although to be fair I'm also in the camp that GTA VI won't be on the Switch 2. Not because of hypothetical specs, but just cause I can see Rockstar skipping the platform.
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13 Sentinels was about 2 years late. Persona 5 was about 5 years late.

I think the concern is not only will games like Mana and Monster Hunter come to the Switch 2, but how soon? And the longer we go without a Switch 2 announcement, the more 3rd party games are in limbo. And with so many potential games to port (including PS4/XBone games that never got Switch ports), there's no way they're all gonna come out within the first year of the system's life.
 
Thraktor said:
Following up from last week's rumour on Switch 2 using an OLED panel, I had a look at Samsung's Q3 financial results presentation, and noticed something which may be related (or may be something completely different altogether). From the SDC (Samsung Display) slide, in the 2024 outlook, they state:



So it seems like at least one of Samsung's strategic customers is releasing a product with an OLED display in the Gaming segment in 2024. Could said customer be Nintendo? Maybe, but also maybe not. I'm not sure what exactly constitutes Gaming (with a capital G) here. For example I would have said OLED monitors probably fall under the IT OLED category, but maybe the gaming-oriented ones don't? There's also a good chance we'll see OLED versions of at least one or two portable PCs (ROG Ally, etc.) following on from the Steam Deck OLED launch, although this presentation preceded that launch by a week or so, so I don't know whether they would have been in development at the time. It's also possible they're talking about a VR/AR product here, as well.
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So I've gone back over some of Samsung's financial reports to see what other times references gaming as a category for OLED panels have come up, and it seems like it's pretty much just been used to refer to the Switch OLED model thus far.

The first reference to OLED screens in gaming devices is from their 2021 Q2 presentation, where for the display group, they list in their 2H 2021 outlook "OLED sales to grow with full-fledged expansion to non-smartphone IT and portable gaming products". Guess what portable gaming product launched in the second half of 2021?

During 2021/2022, they mentioned gaming as a potential growth area for OLED several times, alongside IT and automotive. IT here means laptop screens and tablets. None of their references cited new product launches, and as I'm not aware of any other gaming devices launching with Samsung OLED panels during this time, it seems like this was based on sales expectations for the Switch OLED model.

As of the end of 2022, they stopped referring to gaming devices in their outlook for the SDC group. The 2022 Q4 presentation makes no reference to gaming in its 2023 outlook for the SDC group. This is a bit curious, as the only two out-and-out gaming devices that have launched with Samsung OLED panels since the Switch OLED are the PSVR 2 and the Steam Deck OLED, which both launched in 2023. Neither were considered noteworthy enough to make an appearance on the 2023 outlook for the business unit.

Gaming devices reappeared on the 2024 outlook just in the most recent presentation, which specifically refers to new product(s) being released. This is the only time since before the release of the Switch OLED model that they've referred to a product launch of a gaming device with an OLED panel in their financial outlook.

In terms of types of device, I don't think it's a gaming laptop or monitor. Laptop screens come under the IT category, and monitors are part of the large screen section alongside TVs. Although they don't specify in the 2024 outlook in the most recent report, they've only ever listed gaming under the mobile screen section before. I can't completely rule out AR/VR, but they're listed separately in the 2024 outlook, and if PSVR 2 doesn't warrant a mention in the outlook, what AR/VR headset does? In theory Meta might use an OLED panel for a new Quest, but they haven't used OLED panels in years, with even the high-end Quest Pro using LCD panels. Apple will be launching the Vision Pro next year, but they've been very careful not to position it as a gaming device.

This leaves handheld gaming devices like the Switch or Steam Deck. I certainly wouldn't rule out non-Nintendo devices launching with Samsung OLED panels next year. Steam Deck style portable PCs are reasonably popular, and there will certainly be more to follow, particularly with annual updates to the AMD APUs being used. However by far the most popular of these is the Steam Deck itself, and if the sales from a Steam Deck OLED model didn't warrant a mention in any of their forecasts for 2023, would a ROG Ally OLED justify inclusion?

There's also a possibility of a portable gaming device that's neither a Switch nor a Steam Deck-like, such as a streaming handheld or a surprise new entry into the portable game console market. Sony just released a streaming handheld, so I'd say a new model next year is pretty unlikely. Microsoft could release a streaming handheld, but their entire Xbox strategy was recently leaked through court documents, and IIRC a streaming handheld for 2024 wasn't on there. Apple could come out with a gaming handheld running iOS, although they're relatively leaky these days, so I'd imagine something would have come out about it by now. It's also possible that Samsung themselves could launch an Android handheld with an OLED screen.

That leaves the one gaming device manufacturer who we know is releasing a new handheld console in 2024, and we know is considered a big enough customer to warrant being included on Samsung's outlooks: Nintendo.

Obviously there's a risk of confirmation bias here, as there's not a whole lot of evidence to work with, just a handful of mentions of the word "gaming" in financial reports, and it's possible I'm putting more thought into this than the person who wrote it did, but Switch 2 does seem like the most obvious explanation. There are other possible explanations, and it's not enough for me to jump firmly on the OLED bandwagon, but when combined with the ChosunBiz article from a couple of weeks ago claiming Nintendo would use Samsung OLED panels, it does bring OLED back into the fold as a possibility, at least for me.
 
Neoxon said:
I’d be genuinely shocked if GTAVI comes to the Switch 2 based on what we’ve seen.

I can reasonably believe that MH6 could get a port, though.
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We won’t get GTAVI but we will get IV and V I’m sure at some point.
 
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LiC said:
Any breach of NDA would damage the studio's relationship with Nintendo and make them unlikely to get any advance communication on future hardware, and reduce Nintendo's willingness to support or promote their current games. If it was serious and intentional, like actually revealing branding, specs, release date, etc., then Nintendo probably would sue them.


Wait, are people imagining that the DQ announcement was a breach of NDA? That was definitely sanctioned by Nintendo. They had already announced NX and even its release window, so they let a couple close partners (Square and Sega) announce games for it.
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Agreed, at least in part this gave partners a positive answer as to why Wii U wasn't getting supported.
 
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Bonejack said:
I mean, at a certain position/rank, you're kinda "above the law".

Remember how DQ's Horii flat out said that DQ11 comes to Switch, or rather NX at that time? While the console was technically "announced" already (as in "We're working on the next system blablabla" Nintendo PR), it was basically still breaking NDA.

But outside of a "please don't do it again, ok?" you can bet that Horii didn't have issues with both SQEX and Nintendo. He's simply too important.



You don't think the Gamescom info falls into the latter part of my post? Because the info came from VGC, Eurogamer and Nate, and i'd say they fall under that.
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This sometimes happens when actors participate in the games, they accidentally leak them and beyond "please be more careful next time", there are usually no further consequences. Like Norman Reedus with DS2
 
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To those who think GTA VI is impossible on Switch, did you forget that R* got RDR2, a game with lots of NPCs and animations, running on the PS4 with its weak CPU. I‘m not saying Switch 2 will get GTA V but we shouldn‘t dismiss the possibility.
 
lemonfresh said:
Monster hunter generations ultimate was like a first year switch game I remember
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Not in English it wasn’t. Their decision to delay the English release so that World would get more attention infuriated me at the time. All I want for Monster Hunter is for it to stay portable.
 
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To those who think GTA VI is impossible on Switch, did you forget that R* got RDR2, a game with lots of NPCs and animations, running on the PS4 with its weak CPU. I‘m not saying Switch 2 will get GTA V but we shouldn‘t dismiss the possibility.
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But third party studios always does everything they can to release on Playstation ecosystem, while minimal effort to release on Nintendo platforms leads to them giving up a port immediately.
 
Darknut85 said:
To those who think GTA VI is impossible on Switch, did you forget that R* got RDR2, a game with lots of NPCs and animations, running on the PS4 with its weak CPU. I‘m not saying Switch 2 will get GTA V but we shouldn‘t dismiss the possibility.
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I don’t think it’s impossible. I did forget it’s not releasing until 2025. So maybe the Switch 2 does get it in 2025
 
Danny said:
But third party studios always does everything they can to release on Playstation ecosystem, while minimal effort to release on Nintendo platforms leads to them giving up a port immediately.
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RDR still happened. And so did LA Noir.
 
Thraktor said:
their entire Xbox strategy was recently leaked through court documents, and IIRC a streaming handheld for 2024 wasn't on there
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My recollection is that the slides clearly positioned handhelds as something MS explicitly didn't plan to produce internally, instead trying to integrate third party handhelds into their ecosystem.
 
I think I’m not the only one that hopes with the new world of goo game announcement it means that the switch 2 will have some kind of pointer?
The pointer is my most missed Wii feature and a lot of games play worse without it. Pity that even if it does have one it probably won’t be able to be used on older titles (Mario galaxy looking at you)

I would rebuy resident evil 4 remake on a switch 2 just for the pointer support
 
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Hosermess said:
Everybody when Nintendo says they are working on the successor to the Switch and nothing else:



Would be a bad idea.
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Nintendo cant simply abadon Switch, the moment Switch sucessor is hinted/anounced, they need to signal, they need to suport it for 3/4 more years, slowing dropping it suport
 
Danny said:
I mean, People are unsure if even Monster hunter wilds and Visions of Mana will release on Switch 2, so GTA VI should be seen as next to impossible for the Switch 2.
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Capcom is surely developing a timed exclusive Monster Hunter for Switch sucessor, just in case Monster Hunter Wild never release on Nintendo next hardware(kinda of what we saw with Monster Hunter World/Rise)
 
DEsteves said:
I think I’m not the only one that hopes with the new world of goo game announcement it means that the switch 2 will have some kind of pointer?
The pointer is my most missed Wii feature and a lot of games play worse without it. Pity that even if it does have one it probably won’t be able to be used on older titles (Mario galaxy looking at you)

I would rebuy resident evil 4 remake on a switch 2 just for the pointer support
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Same. The gyro control of the Switch is nice for aiming, but it‘s to inaccurate as a pointer. That makes touchscreen Games docked a pain.
 
Giancarlo said:
Capcom is surely developing a timed exclusive Monster Hunter for Switch sucessor, just in case Monster Hunter Wild never release on Nintendo next hardware(kinda of what we saw with Monster Hunter World/Rise)
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Yeah rise 2 will probably be the Switch 2 exclusive and this might be like world and stay on the other consoles /pc only
 
lemonfresh said:
Yeah rise 2 will probably be the Switch 2 exclusive and this might be like world and stay on the other consoles /pc only
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So as many thought, Switch 2 will be the same as Switch 1 when it comes to third party support, indies and 5 year old ports. No day and date releases, no AAA games. Low budget games like Octopath Traveller 3 will be the main kind of third party support of Switch 2.
 
Thraktor said:
There are other possible explanations, and it's not enough for me to jump firmly on the OLED bandwagon, but when combined with the ChosunBiz article from a couple of weeks ago claiming Nintendo would use Samsung OLED panels, it does bring OLED back into the fold as a possibility, at least for me.
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If the reports about SNG using an LCD screen end up being inaccurate, that opens up the door for the 8" screen being inaccurate as well. I was always a big believer that the Switch OLED screen had a good chance of being the screen for SNG. Nintendo's purchase history and volume of these OLED panels would position them to negotiate a better price.
 
Danny said:
So as many thought, Switch 2 will be the same as Switch 1 when it comes to third party support, indies and 5 year old ports. No day and date releases, no AAA games. Low budget games like Octopath Traveller 3 will be the main kind of third party support of Switch 2.
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We know this based on...
 
Danny said:
But third party studios always does everything they can to release on Playstation ecosystem, while minimal effort to release on Nintendo platforms leads to them giving up a port immediately.
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Not that true anymore, Switch has had its share of "miracle ports".


I don't think there's much basis to say Drake couldn't run GTA 6. It will almost definitely not look as good as the trailer, but so wont the Series S version.
 
Goodtwin said:
If the reports about SNG using an LCD screen end up being inaccurate, that opens up the door for the 8" screen being inaccurate as well. I was always a big believer that the Switch OLED screen had a good chance of being the screen for SNG. Nintendo's purchase history and volume of these OLED panels would position them to negotiate a better price.
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It was discussed here before that the LCD could just be an off the shelf screen for the dev kit while the final screen is in development

around this post: https://famiboards.com/threads/futu...-staff-posts-before-commenting.55/post-761810
 
Hermii said:
Not that true anymore, Switch has had its share of "miracle ports".


I don't think there's much basis to say Drake couldn't run GTA 6. It will almost definitely not look as good as the trailer, but so wont the Series S version.
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Switch doesn't even get old GTA games, so why would Rockstar suddenly work overtime to release a brand new GTA to Switch 2? They didn't seem to care at all about Switch so why would they care about Switch 2? And they are not releasing the game on PC day 1, which means all their porting effort will be spent on making a PC version of GTA VI, not a Switch 2 version.

If we are lucky we will get a port of GTA V on Switch 2.
 
Danny said:
Switch doesn't even get old GTA games, so why would Rockstar suddenly work overtime to release a brand new GTA to Switch 2? They didn't seem to care at all about Switch so why would they care about Switch 2? And they are not releasing the game on PC day 1, which means all their porting effort will be spent on making a PC version of GTA VI, not a Switch 2 version.

If we are lucky we will get a port of GTA V on Switch 2.
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I was saying based on the trailer. If you believed there was a chance Switch 2 would get GTA before the trailer, there was nothing in that trailer that should have changed your mind imo.
 
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Danny said:
Switch doesn't even get old GTA games, so why would Rockstar suddenly work overtime to release a brand new GTA to Switch 2? They didn't seem to care at all about Switch so why would they care about Switch 2? And they are not releasing the game on PC day 1, which means all their porting effort will be spent on making a PC version of GTA VI, not a Switch 2 version.

If we are lucky we will get a port of GTA V on Switch 2.
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Must have hallucinated playing San Andreas on my Switch
 
Hermii said:
Except it's not off the shelf. There's no 1080p innolux panel that size.
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They (and others) do make 4K 15.6" screens for laptops, so they're producing panels at the correct pixel density, they would just need to cut them down to the right size.
 
Goodtwin said:
If the reports about SNG using an LCD screen end up being inaccurate, that opens up the door for the 8" screen being inaccurate as well. I was always a big believer that the Switch OLED screen had a good chance of being the screen for SNG. Nintendo's purchase history and volume of these OLED panels would position them to negotiate a better price.
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I just bought a Switch OLED and it's not only a fantastic display, but the entire unit feels solid and premium.

I would be delighted if they just reused this screen, or contracted 1080p displays from the manufacturer if they feel they must up the resolution.

But I accept the argument that if there's at one area they're going to cut costs, it'd be the screen. A 1080p HDR OLED would be the bee's knees but seems pricy.
I wish for some kind of more expensive premium model of Switch 2 at launch with an OLED screen, but seems unlikely.

ohlawd said:
we're trying reverse jinx here
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Danny said:
Switch doesn't even get old GTA games, so why would Rockstar suddenly work overtime to release a brand new GTA to Switch 2?
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I can't tell if I'm falling for some long irony game here.
 
Goodtwin said:
If the reports about SNG using an LCD screen end up being inaccurate, that opens up the door for the 8" screen being inaccurate as well. I was always a big believer that the Switch OLED screen had a good chance of being the screen for SNG. Nintendo's purchase history and volume of these OLED panels would position them to negotiate a better price.
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Serif said:
I just bought a Switch OLED and it's not only a fantastic display, but the entire unit feels solid and premium.

I would be delighted if they just reused this screen, or contracted 1080p displays from the manufacturer if they feel they must up the resolution.

But I accept the argument that if there's at one area they're going to cut costs, it'd be the screen. A 1080p HDR OLED would be the bee's knees but seems pricy.
I wish for some kind of more expensive premium model of Switch 2 at launch with an OLED screen, but seems unlikely.



I can't tell if I'm falling for some long irony game here.
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The Switch OLED screen is already HDR capable.
 
Danny said:
Wishful thinking from people that think Switch 2 will get an explosion of third party support, while it will just get indies and 5 year old ports mostly like the Switch. Capcom will release a collection of retro 90s game on Switch 2 and call it a day. Rockstar will at most publish the first GTA game from 1997 on Switch 2 and that will be seen as incredible support from Rockstar to the Nintendo ecosystem.
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I mean Switch has gotten a lot more than just old ports of games. There have been many big third party titles that launched exclusively on Switch (Like Octopath Traveler). And there have been several AA Japanese titles that launched day and date with other versions.
 
Goodtwin said:
If the reports about SNG using an LCD screen end up being inaccurate, that opens up the door for the 8" screen being inaccurate as well. I was always a big believer that the Switch OLED screen had a good chance of being the screen for SNG. Nintendo's purchase history and volume of these OLED panels would position them to negotiate a better price.
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The suggestion isn't that reports were inaccurate, it's that devkits would have had LCD screens at the time while the final screens will be OLED. If that happened, it would still be the case that the final screens are 8 inches and 1080p. Using the Switch OLED screen is rather unlikely regardless of which way the LCD vs. OLED question shakes out.
 
Goodtwin said:
If the reports about SNG using an LCD screen end up being inaccurate, that opens up the door for the 8" screen being inaccurate as well. I was always a big believer that the Switch OLED screen had a good chance of being the screen for SNG. Nintendo's purchase history and volume of these OLED panels would position them to negotiate a better price.
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Possibly. It's also possible that, if they are using a Samsung OLED panel, it's a custom panel and wasn't ready for inclusion on early dev kits, so they used readily-available LCD panels instead. In which case it's not the Switch OLED model panel, and the resolution and screen size should be roughly the same as the temporary LCD panels they used.
 
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