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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (New Staff Post, Please read)
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Z0m3le
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Nice to see that you have made some serious connections Meelow, next year is going to be very cool, and I think Switch 2 is going to surprise a lot of people with its power.
I remember when it was coming in 2022.
Did they say any of the announced games tonight will be hitting it or is that part still NDA?
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I met Doug Bowser...So bad I wanted to ask about the Switch 2 lol.
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I didn't ask I didn’t wanna pry around to much because it was very cagey.
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I mean no shock there. The chip was taped out in, what, April 2022?
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A dev would have to be very drunk, or very tired of their job, to "casually" break NDA (because such info is definitely under NDA) like this.
And no, talking in private to reporters from ... for example Eurogamer, who do everything they can to keep the devs identiy hidden, is a different scenario.
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Haha I'm not sure about that. I talked to a high up person working on a high up game and I asked about another game that this company is working for and they said if they were working on that team they would have told me all this information haha.
Z0m3le
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Engineering samples went out in April 2022, the chip physically was produced in completed silicon in August 2022 and Linux public kernel was updated to support this chip on September 5th 2022. Recently we've been looking at public shipping records and finding this chip being moved around, and the signs of production preparations. We might actually know that production got underway in October or inside the next week, Mass Production takes a month or two after that, but if I understand it correctly, machines that are made to mass produce Switch 2 were already spotted in this shipping documentation from September.
One thing I'd be very surprised by is another direct before Switch 2 is announced, the last 2 directs actually talked about some of the same games, showing a lack of new announcements for Switch as it moves to a crossgen period over the next 12 months. Likely meaning Nintendo wants to save new game announcements and reveals for the new hardware, luckily for Nintendo, they can wait on a direct for a month or two, giving them some time to make that announcement of new hardware.
Switch Pro 2021. Never forget.
Out of sheer curiosity:
Did you hear anything you are not willing to share on the forums? Perhaps because you want to protect developers or because you think someone was just talking nonsense.
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Z0m3le
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This is definitely not how things work, people are people, some are good at keeping secrets and some are not, however just because someone isn't good at keeping secrets, doesn't mean they tell everyone, they will find people who they believe that they can talk to about something... Hell the leak about the Matrix demo at Gamescom wouldn't have happened if what you are saying is true.
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I mean, at a certain position/rank, you're kinda "above the law".
Remember how DQ's Horii flat out said that DQ11 comes to Switch, or rather NX at that time? While the console was technically "announced" already (as in "We're working on the next system blablabla" Nintendo PR), it was basically still breaking NDA.
But outside of a "please don't do it again, ok?" you can bet that Horii didn't have issues with both SQEX and Nintendo. He's simply too important.
You don't think the Gamescom info falls into the latter part of my post? Because the info came from VGC, Eurogamer and Nate, and i'd say they fall under that.
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I wonder how they will mark cross gen games during the presenation
Who can forget the custom Turing soc named Mariko?
I have some morbid curiosity about how many Directs Nintendo can get through where most of the announcements are rereleases and with minimal third party presence. I'm guessing Prime 4 can carry them through a final extra one, but anything past that will have angry internet people screaming at them with every announcement that isn't Switch 2.
Z0m3le
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That information was being passed around before VGC said anything.
I think they would just use a little icon for Switch 2 exclusive content.
Lets hope we don't find out, there is no reason to hide Switch 2 after this quarter though, so while Nintendo might because they do what they want, it seems unlikely that they would wait to announce new hardware for very long.
ertaboy356b
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Honestly, MHW2 doesn't even looks like a PS5 game. They might have reused assets for now but they still have at least a year to go so texture quality could probably still improve. Of course, we can also say that it is what it is and it is made with the next console in mind.
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This point it seems pretty obvious to me Switch 2 isn't coming until 2H 2024, and that means at minimum there will be a Switch 1 direct in Jan-Feb alongside a Pokemon Presents. Even if Nintendo reveals the device in January, they'll probably have a "this direct is focused on games coming to the Switch 1" in February as there are quiet a few games Nintendo has to date for 2024.
ertaboy356b
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to be fair, most early trailers have high texture quality then later scaled down on release.
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Sorry, i kinda need examples here, cause i'm sure Nate / VGC were the first to report this.
Dunno if there's much assets to be reused, at least from World, without any work done. Because like Rise, Wilds is being developed on/with the RE Engine, unlike World which was still on the MT Framework iirc.
And i don't get the arguments that it looks bad, or "not as good" as some expected.
They switched engines, it appears they increased the scope massively, there's much more going on in terms of "NPCs", both in amount and interaction, there's likely a lot more physics play going on with the "weather" effects coming into play.
It seems Capcom chose to improve/expand in other areas more than just in graphics, and to be honest, for me that's way more exciting than more visual clutter.
Z0m3le
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I don't really think it matters if we have to wait a few more months, anytime in May-Nov next year is very close anyhow, and they can start the marketing machine at any point. Sony started in February for the PS4 for instance, Microsoft started at TGA for the XBS, and Nintendo only had 4.5 months from the Switch reveal trailer until it's launch, and that was a whole new concept, a sequel system like Switch 2, doesn't have that issue and can have an even tighter marketing window.
Just because you don't believe someone, doesn't mean you are entitled to information. People in the know, shared it around, it wasn't actually that uncommon and there were other insiders talking about it outside of Nate, even before Nate mentioned it, though people who do this aren't idiots, they don't just drop it in a very public place. You've been around long enough to know how this stuff works though, I'm surprised. I don't want to mention the specific insider I heard it from, but he posts in this thread, and he posted about it online, even gave the correct DLSS 3.1 info, when others were saying 3.5.
ertaboy356b
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Let's just hope the Switch (2) CPU can handle all those NPC stuff. I have this MHW itch that Rise did not scratch. Rise feels like a hybrid of MHW and the Classic game.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Monster Hunter looks really bad, but it looks really bad because there's a shit-ton of stuff on screen.
Hopefully Capcom told Nintendo how high to clock the CPU to get the game.
Hopefully Capcom told Nintendo how high to clock the CPU to get the game.
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Excuse me? You're bringing some claims about the info being shared around before being reported by three reliable outlets, so you could kinda expect questions about examples for that.
And basically going like "You have/had to be in the right circles though" is some kind of BS, really.
Also, keep personal comments about me or anyone else out of this, okay? I wasn't attacking you, so how about you're not doing the same?
You know what? It's the first day i'm posting again after being angry from friday last week, only to get such a post flung at me. I think i'm done for this year.
I wouldn't mind if they had to decrease the amount of herd monsters for Switch 2. The size of the herd in the trailer might've been a "we can go up to this much" example.
Reasonable adaptions are always ok.
Z0m3le
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A78C is faster per clock than Ryzen 2 by quite a bit actually... around 20% iirc. So even at ~2GHz, it would be close enough, it also has 8 cores, so Switch 2's CPU should be pretty good this time.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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What clocks do we actually expect the CPU to get to though.
Z0m3le
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While I didn't mean it to be an attack, I do see how it comes off as one, I am sorry about that, but you have been around Nintendo forums for years, and info like this is always passed around even before it is reported on, I even gave an example of it in my reply, though I was vague because I don't know how much that insider wants me to bold and highlight his name.
Forum texts are not the best way to show intent, your post, although started with "sorry" didn't sound like you were asking for information, but demanding it. You are welcome to believe or disbelieve whoever you want, but no one has to prove anything, especially when it comes to NDAs.
Sidenote, VGC's report, which predated Nate's public posts about it, showing he knew about it before VGC reported on it, was around a week after Gamescom iirc, which shows even more that this info existed for days before it was revealed to the public.
It could be as high as 2.4GHz IMO, though I think 2GHz is enough for current gen and should offer around 2/3rds of the performance of the PS5's CPU.
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Crowds take up a lot of cpu cycles, but can also be thinned out or be very simplistic. Moving herds as a single unit, for example eases cpu burdens and data oriented designs have shown to relieve cpu stresses. So there's room for large crowds on Drake, if Capcom designs will preventing cpu bottlenecks in mind
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June would be too late, especially since November will almost certainly be occupied by Pokémon. March reveal -> September release is still the most likely play right now.
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When I was at Gamescom or other smaller events this year as a dev you won‘t believe how much you can overhear people talking about things that you aren‘t supposed to hear.
People talk and a lot. I met several indie devs and only after a little bit of small talk they already mentioned what deals they have with Publisher XY and roughly what their new game is supposed to be. I also talked to other devs of bigger companies and even if those seemed more secretive, they gave unintentional or not hints on what they are doing.
PR people of big publishers are good at keeping secrets at those events. Not so much everyone else. At least from my experience.
Luckily I know nothing revealing about Nintendo‘s next hardware, but I would say nothing specific anyway, my username could easily be traced back to me.
ertaboy356b
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Certainly hopes so. One thing that made Baldur's Gate 3 lag in act 3 according to what I've read is that there's too much NPC stuff going on. They probably had to reduce those in consoles.
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Team 2024 stays winning
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Pretty much 0%. It's not like Nintendo and Nvidia can just pull a a more powerful chip out of their asses. All that's left to know is clockspeed, then we'll get a good idea of power.
That and cpu cache, which I guess we will have to wait for a teardown to know for sure.
And memory amount and speed.
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I'm kinda half expecting a Direct about Switch games in the usual February slot where midway through, totally nonchalantly, they say "We are currently working on new hardware to succeed the Nintendo Switch. Please look forward to an announcement at a future date" then get back to showing us Luigi's Mansion 2
Z0m3le
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We know about as much about Switch 2 specs as we did when Switch was confirmed to use TX1, and we know that Switch 2 is much more comparable to current gen consoles than Switch was at the time.
Gotdatmoneyy
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The best time to mention they are working on releasing a new platform would be in their Feb quarterly report. They could also mention it in their May year end report but I think they'll say something sooner. Even if a full reveal isn't for a few months after just giving shareholders an idea that next gen is happening next fiscal year is probably ideal.
Z0m3le
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Considering their live event in Tokyo was on Jan 20th and 21st, Feb's quarterly report could also sit around an announcement, as it would be a little weird for Nintendo to have announced Switch 2 before the live event and then not show off anything at that event (that is now canceled).
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My impressions from Game Awards were that, either the industry is screaming for Nintendo to reveal their next platform so that they can announce their support and add Switch 2 as an SKU for their games. Or we're in for another "Switch early years", were publishers locked themselves into PS5/XSeries pipeline because Nintendo didn't had next-gen hardware at the same time as these consoles and Nintendo will need to rebuild 3P confidence in their platform.
The latter sounds crazy, but it is what it is when we're talking about 3P and Nintendo platforms. And both Nintendo and 3P are at fault for such situations.
The latter sounds crazy, but it is what it is when we're talking about 3P and Nintendo platforms. And both Nintendo and 3P are at fault for such situations.
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Really makes you wonder just how many third-parties are gonna be there from the jump.
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Re: Switch video games, Direct - the Switch can ride out with the current software output it has, plus Pokemon and whatever surprise they may have.
Nintendo showing devs demos in Gamescom makes me hopeful that, before rhem, they already talked to key partners
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An exchange I saw on the BG3 subreddit:
"If I kill everyone in Baldur's Gate, will it improve my performance?"
"This is the most Dark Urge shit I've ever read."
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