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StarTopic Nintendo Switch 2 Speculation Thread |ST| The Future is Probably a Year From Now
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Something that I've generally seen around is that I think expectations for when Pokémon will make the jump fully to new hardware are a bit miscalibrated based on how Game Freak's dev cycle used to work, rather than how it's worked since they moved to Switch. It's always possible things could change again (and there probably will be some minor movement around scheduling, at least), but I think how events have unfolded on Switch thus far should provide a pretty good blueprint for what to expect in the near term. (note: I'm specifically talking about the types of games that Game Freak themselves have made, either currently or historically, spin-offs by other developers generally decide their platforms independently)
So basically, before Switch things generally looked like this:
On Switch however, things have changed to look more like this:
The most significant change is that the new generation game is no longer the first in the cycle. Instead, they've been using an experimental title as a test run for the new version of their engine and new ideas more broadly. This is where I think a lot of the odd expectations come from. People are used to the new generation game being the transition point, but it actually has been happening with the experimental titles since the move to Switch.
What does this mean in practice, then? There is a very real chance that Game Freak has already shipped their final Switch title. If they intend generation 10 to be exclusive to Switch 2, then the next experimental title they release will be, as well. Either Game Freak's next game will be Switch 2 exclusive, or they won't make the jump until 2027 at the absolute earliest. I don't have terribly strong opinions right now on which one of those will happen, as the current situation is weird in ways that could push it towards either one of those outcomes.
However, since remakes are now handled separately, they are not subject to this. If a BDSP-style remake of Black and White were to happen, for example (would be harder to mess up as badly, but would still need some serious work, especially around controls), I would expect that to release on Switch/cross-gen, and I think they'd probably continue down that path for any future projects of the sort (or similar) for as long as Nintendo views Switch 1 publishing as viable.
So basically, before Switch things generally looked like this:
- New generation
- Third version
- Sometimes a remake before or after the third version
On Switch however, things have changed to look more like this:
- Experimental title revisiting a past region
- New generation
- DLC
The most significant change is that the new generation game is no longer the first in the cycle. Instead, they've been using an experimental title as a test run for the new version of their engine and new ideas more broadly. This is where I think a lot of the odd expectations come from. People are used to the new generation game being the transition point, but it actually has been happening with the experimental titles since the move to Switch.
What does this mean in practice, then? There is a very real chance that Game Freak has already shipped their final Switch title. If they intend generation 10 to be exclusive to Switch 2, then the next experimental title they release will be, as well. Either Game Freak's next game will be Switch 2 exclusive, or they won't make the jump until 2027 at the absolute earliest. I don't have terribly strong opinions right now on which one of those will happen, as the current situation is weird in ways that could push it towards either one of those outcomes.
However, since remakes are now handled separately, they are not subject to this. If a BDSP-style remake of Black and White were to happen, for example (would be harder to mess up as badly, but would still need some serious work, especially around controls), I would expect that to release on Switch/cross-gen, and I think they'd probably continue down that path for any future projects of the sort (or similar) for as long as Nintendo views Switch 1 publishing as viable.
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Game Freak will probably just keep releasing their games on Switch to make more money.
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I'm keen to see the possibilities for the AR aspect if it's there, @Giancarlo a while ago mentioned how perfect Nintendogs would be for it - or some other interactive pet/mythical creature experience
Anyway, figured they could come out with some new Power Glove type controller that would let you pet the dogs or mythical creature with haptic feedback so you know if you're making contact with them, probably a thousand other things you could do with a wearable control setup like that
Anyway, figured they could come out with some new Power Glove type controller that would let you pet the dogs or mythical creature with haptic feedback so you know if you're making contact with them, probably a thousand other things you could do with a wearable control setup like that
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How about remakes of two old 2D Zeldas…
Ah heck yeah. This thread is already fun. And it's only gonna ramp up more as the next 12 months progress
I truly think Switch 2 can become the crowd consensus for best Nintendo console. Momentum is high from Switch 1. Third parties seem way more on board. The power will hopefully be juicy enough. And Nintendo has been firing on all cylinders lately, gonna be so exciting seeing their games on next gen
I truly think Switch 2 can become the crowd consensus for best Nintendo console. Momentum is high from Switch 1. Third parties seem way more on board. The power will hopefully be juicy enough. And Nintendo has been firing on all cylinders lately, gonna be so exciting seeing their games on next gen
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I am 100% sure that we will get a switch 2 reveal after nintendo releases smrpg remake or super mario bros wonder.
Did you (ever) check whether the fan is actually okay? Might just be a faulty unit, tbh. (Or there's different fan types due to different vendors providing these.)
I notice my fan spins up when rebooting / booting for the first time as well, but it's still super quiet and a low pitch noise. (I also almost never shut the thing down completely; only ever reboot it every 3-4 weeks, otherwise it's energy saving mode only.)
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I've been saying this for a while, but I still truly believe Dragon Quest XII will be at least announced around the new hardware's launch. Ever since Yuji Horii got shushed for trying to mention the platform it releases on.
Other than that Sakurai announcing a new game might get me excited the most.
Other than that Sakurai announcing a new game might get me excited the most.
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Link?
jirou
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the announcement stream from 2021
Go to 1:02:30. Just checked and it's technically the interviewer that gets shushed and isn't allowed to ask the question. That's the whistle you hear.
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The last 3 3D Zelda's have been 6 yrs apart so we could be even further away.
With that said we got news of a BoTW sequel in 2019 so perhaps we won't have to wait too long for news on the next Zelda.
My main concern is if it is utilizing even better technology, not gonna be a follow-up to ToTK, and the Zelda team is on record saying they don't feel any pressure in regards to "topping" ToTK... This game might take just as much time as the last two. Oh well, there are a ton of variables I am overlooking like COVID but I have no problem waiting to see what the Zelda team does next. They've earned that much.
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Haha strange, they could just say, "platforms are currently tba" but yeah, Dragon Quest XII is definitely coming to Switch 2, I feel like at this point, Square could have just announced it coming to PS5 and PC with a Switch 2 announcement happening when it gets announced, but they probably want the Switch 2 unveiling hype to boost the hype for DQXII.
Also, DQXII being one of the first games announced for the system just makes sense since DQXI was the first game announced for Switch.
Charamiwa
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Random things I'm excited for as next gen approaches, from various studios.
The follow up to Kirby and the Forgotten Land at 60fps.
A new Animal Crossing, or a port of New Horizons, with considerably less load times.
The look and scope of the next Xenoblade game.
All the musou games having acceptable performance and look.
What Game Freak will do with a lot more power.
Mario Sports games and Mario Party not being in the same graphical ballpark as 2012.
Mercury Steam pushing their dynamic 2D style with a lot more leeway.
HD-2D games being sharper and running better.
And so much more. And this is just the little things mostly, obviously next Zelda, Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Splatoon are gonna be insane. As far as I can remember this is one of the most exciting time I've known as a Nintendo fan.
The follow up to Kirby and the Forgotten Land at 60fps.
A new Animal Crossing, or a port of New Horizons, with considerably less load times.
The look and scope of the next Xenoblade game.
All the musou games having acceptable performance and look.
What Game Freak will do with a lot more power.
Mario Sports games and Mario Party not being in the same graphical ballpark as 2012.
Mercury Steam pushing their dynamic 2D style with a lot more leeway.
HD-2D games being sharper and running better.
And so much more. And this is just the little things mostly, obviously next Zelda, Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Splatoon are gonna be insane. As far as I can remember this is one of the most exciting time I've known as a Nintendo fan.
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We will finally get a Pokémon that looks like an Xbox 360 game!
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Don't worry, i'm here now, and i just lit up the rally fire for Team ASAP + H1 2024!
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I really hope NH doesn't get ported, I'd prefer a whole new entry that's more in-depth with villager interactions.
please no more remakes. It's been a decade since the last original singleplayer 2D Zelda.
Dark Cloud
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I hope the next Mario Party is Mario Party Smash. It’s time for Mario Party crossover with other Nintendo franchises. Wouldn’t the cool to get a Metroid and Zelda board with their own unique properties?
I’m joking btw. I know it’s kind of a funny thing to think “let everything be a crossover”.
I’m joking btw. I know it’s kind of a funny thing to think “let everything be a crossover”.
Multiverse
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The first round rumors turned out to be the red box Switch and Lite. The second round turned to the OLED. The third time is the charm.
Many of us have been clamoring for new and improved Nintendo hardware for years. First, we had rumors of Nintendo planning a "Pro" model Switch system back in 2018. Rumors began to heat up in 2020 that Nintendo had something coming. 2021 arrived and we were surprised with the OLED model announcement.
YolkFolk
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Set in a great sea.
The main islands are the size of entire regions from BotW/TotK with smaller islands in between.
Machine parts used to create boats and air craft to fly between islands.
Create a submarine to explore off shore reefs just below the surface.
Visuals an evolved and more detailed version of those used for BotW/TotK.
Dark Cloud
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I think that’s what the next 3D Zelda will be. Nintendo again didn’t do anything with underwater. To me they saved it to focus on the next 3D Zelda and that game will have alot of exploring the ocean. It probably won’t be Wind Waker 2 in name, but it’ll be the same idea as Wind Waker.
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Yeah. Splitting future hardware... and... future hardware but more general?
I think a permanent Nintendo Direct Speculation Thread, or permanent Nintendo Software Speculation Thread would have been a lot better than. Whatever this is.
Trying to talk ONLY technical details when Nintendo always says "integrated Hardware-Software" platform is a fool's errand. Software will always be relevant.
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This thread can act as a defacto Direct and Software speculation thread, at least that's how I read the guidelines. At this point though those subjects and the Switch 2 are pretty inseparably
Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks HD collection
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Those subjects and HARDWARE are pretty inseperable.
If there was intent to make a Direct or Software Speculation Thread... that's what could have been made?
Dark Cloud
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There’s not an issue and you’re creating one. Just stop please.
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Oracle of Age/Season remake?
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I disagree. The Direct Speculation Threads only make sense for specific directs. No need to mix Speculation of specifically anticipated events in one thread. For more general Software Speculation we already have a thread (which I think should also include third party games, but this is just me).
From this perspective it technically makes sense to split up the general hardware speculation and the Switch 2 (as an anticipated piece of hardware), though I‘m not really sure if it will work out, given the history the hardware thread has on this site and that it‘s focus feels different than just being technical speculation.
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It comes to my attention that we already have a first party software development discussion thread, and now I'm even more befuddled at this place existing.
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I mean, that’s what the reputable trades have been reporting. or more specifically, a launch within the second half of next year. I wouldn’t expect it to be November since that’s Pokémon’s month, but September or October would be reasonable.
Sure, a few months after those games come out.
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Nice thread.
I am most looking forward to seeing what Monolith, MercurySteam and the Zelda teams can do with the tech on the next Switch. I think those are the teams that have impressed me the most in the games I played on Switch.
Would be amazing to have 3D Mario at launch.
I also hope with the added power that a higher share of the Nintendo-published games run at 60fps.
I am most looking forward to seeing what Monolith, MercurySteam and the Zelda teams can do with the tech on the next Switch. I think those are the teams that have impressed me the most in the games I played on Switch.
Would be amazing to have 3D Mario at launch.
I also hope with the added power that a higher share of the Nintendo-published games run at 60fps.
People wanna focus on specs/technology over there, discussing those in a very detailed way that very often goes far above the heads of most people, myself included, who only really look forward to new generations because of new possibilities for games and new games from series/devs they like and don't have that much to say about tech beyond hoping for better graphics/framerate/load times. It's fine to have separate threads.
That thread isn't for speculation though. They're pretty keen to stay focused on informed discussion of concrete business information over there.
Nintendo could release the console without one of the BIG 3 (Mario, Zelda and Pokémon) easily.
This console at launch will sell first and foremost to Nintendo fans who would get the new creature regardless of how many games or which games.
Just look at Sony, they had a soft launch line up with Demon Souls remake (that sold less then 2 mln IIRC), some remastered and nothing else, but with Assassin's Creed and other third parties.
I can see Nintendo do this for NS2. Waiting some month/months for the big games.
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The First Party thread is about the actual development teams and staff. It’s not a speculation thread.
There’s multiple pages of discussion about the pros and cons of this thread’s existence in the Site Feedback thread, if you’re interested in getting the details behind this thread’s creation.
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Demon’s Souls had Spider-Man backing it up, so that may not be the best point of comparison. Like I said…
Charamiwa
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In the First Party thread, people only want to talk about hard facts. In the hardware thread, people only want to talk about the tech. There's been complaints in both these last few days. So all the natural next gen speculation regarding games and release strategy can't be discussed in either. And in my opinion, dreaming about next gen is the most fun part of it all so it has to happen somewhere.
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Not really, vgc and eurogamer both reported on Nintendo wanting to get the switch 2 out as soon as they can
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I see that people are expecting a reveal soon for a release before the end of the fiscal year ?! Y'all can't wait at that point ?
I can't see them announce anything before january at the (very) earliest. I still struggle to see the Switch 2 releasing in H1. A september release sounds like a good time if they don't want a H1 release, neither a holiday release. But it's just my opinion, obviously.
I can't see them announce anything before january at the (very) earliest. I still struggle to see the Switch 2 releasing in H1. A september release sounds like a good time if they don't want a H1 release, neither a holiday release. But it's just my opinion, obviously.
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Yeah but Spider-Man is a remastered version (and the DLC of Miles). I was talking about big new games of course.
An option could be Metroid Prime 4 + the Definitive Editions of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and SSBU with some updates on framerate, resolution etc
With some important third party game
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Only Eurogamer said that, & their specific wording was earlier than late 2024.
Spider-Man was a cross-gen release, not just a remastered version. And a definitive edition of Smash Ultimate isn’t likely for a number of reasons (same for MK8D, but not for as many reasons).
