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D36 said:
At this point, I'm not sure if I care when this thing is coming out anymore. Cuz PAPER MARIO THE THOUSAND YEAR DOOR IS REAL!!!!

WE'RE!! SO!!!! FUCKING!!!! BAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!
GRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

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If 4N, FF Rebirth at launch. If 8N, Switch 2 cancelled, Prime 4 ported to iPhone 15 Pro.
 
P4bl0 said:
Obviously, they not gonna abandon Switch 1 huge userbase post Switch 2 reveal/release.
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Yeah. This direct of fillers felt like they're telling people with Switches "don't worry we have you covered with all these games" and at the same time cleaning house before the Switch 2 reveal.
 
Oh dear, Mario and friends seem to have quite a heavy schedule. I think that they could use a little R & R next year. Maybe they could unwind with some laser tag.
Because after all, all work and no play makes them something something.
 
bossmeran said:
Metroid Prime is awesome but is totally not enough to launch AT ALL. You need a prestige series Mario, Zelda or maybe Pokémon. Nothing else would suffice for lunch. I could imagine Metroid going alongside one of these as a graphical flex sort of game. But it is very much a Nintendo core enthusiast sort of game.
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Pokémon is not prestige.
Just like McDonalds isn’t prestigious.

Mario and Zelda are, on the other hand.
 
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bossmeran said:
I feel a lot of people's argument for H1 2024 comes down to "because I really want it to be" deep down. Let's not lie we all want it ASAP lol. H2 2024 makes the most sense. I remember when everyone thought it was guaranteed to come out with TOTK.
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It's the opposite actually. Almost all of the rumors about launch timing say H1, whereas most people are saying H2 just based on "vibes" or whatever.
 
GamerJM said:
What launch-timing related rumors do we even have aside from Nate thinking he overheard something about March?
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fwd-bwd said:
Updated list of Switch NG release window leaks/predictions with the latest info from Nate:

[Publications]
MoneyDJ: “Q1 next year” (Foxconn’s FY starts in January)
TechInsights: “March or April next year”
Nikkei Asia: “next spring at the earliest”
Eurogamer: “latter part of next year” but “sooner if possible”
Nikkei Shimbun column (not report): “the industry” expecting “second half of 2024”
VGC: “second half of 2024”

[Individuals]
Pokemon leaker: “early 2024”
Nate: “talk” about March, “no clarity” if reveal or release
necrolipe: “H1”
NWeedle: “before summer”

[Tally]
H1 (5): MoneyDJ, TechInsights, Pokemon leaker, necrolipe, NWeedle
H2 (2): Nikkei Shimbun, VGC
Noncommittal (3): Nikkei Asia, Eurogamer, Nate

There are more sources leaning toward H1, especially the newer entries.
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Mirev said:
One strange thing from the Direct was the last recap segment before Paper Mario.

While watching it, I was thinking: “Ok this feels like the last Direct before Switch 2, so they want to show again every game again coming on Switch 1 to fans because they will be also on Switch 2 in some months”

I don’t know if anyone felt like me
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yeah it was very weird then emphasis that, it sounded like please forget Switch sucessor rumors/leaks you saw and buy our games
 
i just booted up Returnal on my PS5 and immediately thought how sick MP4 could potentially look on Switch 2, if it’s not cross-gen the sky is the limit
 
Honestly, after this direct I am way more optimistic about a H1 launch for this system than I was before, for a few reasons.

- Obviously, the lack of new announcements, with most of the upcoming catalog comprised of remakes, remasters, and dlc. Most of Nintendo's IP that they could have shown have either gotten new entries recently (Zelda, Splatoon, Pokemon) or would be better suited as launch games for new hardware (3D Mario, Prime 4). Nothing really surprising here, but...

- I'm questioning if this lineup can last them all the way till a H2 launch. Nintendo can't rely on 3rd parties to supply the Switch with exclusives while their main developers start developing for new hardware like Sony can. And while their upcoming slate can last them through H1, after that is more dubious. A part of me thinks that they could totally be banking on revealing Switch 2 in June and then ride the hype till fall like the PS5, but Sony also had big ass games like Last of Us 2 and FFVII Remake in the PS4's final year. Switch's final year has Peach Showtime and TTYD Remake, which are comparatively way smaller. If they teased anything for Prime 4 today as the swansong for Switch, I could totally buy that they could be holding out, but it was a complete no-show. I just don't think Nintendo has another regular Direct in them.

- Between Eurogamer's report saying that Nintendo is looking to launch the Switch 2 earlier if possible and Nate hearing developers throw March 2024 around as a window for something, it sounds like we might hear about the console in an official capacity sooner than later. Some people here have posited the idea that March 2024 is the deadline for games to make the launch window rather than the reveal window since devs wouldn't really know when it would be revealed, and that makes alot of sense to me.

- Nintendo may want to repeat what they did with Switch 1 with an earlier launch. An early launch would let them start off the fiscal year strongly and would allow them to build up enough stock for the holidays. Switch is in a decline, not a steep decline for a console in its seventh year, but a decline nonetheless. And with no big software on the horizon, they would probably burn more momentum than they'd need to.

- I would really really enjoy it if it launched earlier in the year :')

I think if it does come in the first half of the year, it would probably be in May. March seems too close from announcement to release for me, though that could change if it were announced this year. It probably won't because it would potentially kneecap the coming holiday season, especially after they announced all of those bundles, but who knows? It could be briefly announced in an investor QnA or something :') But May or June makes alot more sense to me. They could announce it in a reasonable timeframe, as seen with the OLED, and have a nice transition with that previously announced lineup bridging the gap.

So yeah, nothing too wild prediction wise but now I'm on #TeamEarly2024. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it was Late 2024 after all, as it's just the more reliable and realistic prediction. But let me dream, damnit!
 
fwd-bwd said:
Updated list of Switch NG release window leaks/predictions with the latest info from Nate:

[Publications]
MoneyDJ: “Q1 next year” (Foxconn’s FY starts in January)
TechInsights: “March or April next year”
Nikkei Asia: “next spring at the earliest”
Eurogamer: “latter part of next year” but “sooner if possible”
Nikkei Shimbun column (not report): “the industry” expecting “second half of 2024”
VGC: “second half of 2024”

[Individuals]
Pokemon leaker: “early 2024”
Nate: “talk” about March, “no clarity” if reveal or release
necrolipe: “H1”
NWeedle: “before summer”

[Tally]
H1 (5): MoneyDJ, TechInsights, Pokemon leaker, necrolipe, NWeedle
H2 (2): Nikkei Shimbun, VGC
Noncommittal (3): Nikkei Asia, Eurogamer, Nate

There are more sources leaning toward H1, especially the newer entries.
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Well...

Fuck.

I am going to keep telling myself Fall though so that way I won't be disappointed.

🙃
 
Skittzo said:
I mean I'm not pretending I know when it'll launch, and those sources could absolutely be wrong. My point is people aren't saying H1 because that's when they want it, we're saying it because that's what most of the current rumors say.
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Do they though?

Nate said he’s hearing March but doesn’t know if that’s for a reveal or release.

VGC and Eurogamer think late 2024 - but with the potential to come sooner.

I’m not really seeing anything which would indicate a release that soon tbh.

I could maybe see a May release if the stars align tbf but we’ll have to see. I don’t think there’s much chance of March.
 
YolkFolk said:
Do they though?

Nate said he’s hearing March but doesn’t know if that’s for a reveal or release.

VGC and Eurogamer think late 2024 - but with the potential to come sooner.

I’m not really seeing anything which would indicate a release that soon tbh.
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YolkFolk said:
Do they though?

Nate said he’s hearing March but doesn’t know if that’s for a reveal or release.

VGC and Eurogamer think late 2024 - but with the potential to come sooner.

I’m not really seeing anything which would indicate a release that soon tbh.
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Necrolipe also says H1 and we have a lot of indsurrial reports pointing to H1, even Q1 tbh

So yeah there is no smoke without fire
 
What interested me about the direct was that some of the games were late into 2024.
Luigi's Mansion 2, for example, was summer 2024. A game like that you'd think they'd announce in the Feb direct.

Does it mean anything? Dunno!
 
Serif said:
I'm not certain what you're asking, but T239 is explicitly mentioned in the Nvidia leak, with NVN2 targeting its GPU.
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What I was saying is, if 7kimi got everything but the T239 wrong, why believe T239 anyway? That's all.

Is it also possible that T239 leak was just one of a couple/few/many tests on possible chips being used in Switch 2? Maybe old tests testing out what's best to go with for Switch 2.
 
TLZ said:
What I was saying is, if 7kimi got everything but the T239 wrong, why believe T239 anyway? That's all.

Is it also possible that T239 leak was just one of a couple/few/many tests on possible chips being used in Switch 2? Maybe old tests testing out what's best to go with for Switch 2.
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We have a ton of evidence even without Kopite that T239 is both a real chip that has seen continuous work for years and tied directly to Nintendo.
 
bossmeran said:
Ok maybe prestige is the wrong word but a system seller. But I feel it comes after either Mario and Zelda. That's the main safe trifecta of sales on Nintendo systems.
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That’s only really true now, it wasn’t so much before.

It’s still Mario Kart, Animal Crossing and mainline new Pokémon game. That’s their bread and butter trifecta to ensure sales.

Mario 3D, Zelda 3D, and others see a benefit from the main trifecta though, but not exclusively. As in, the first three are generally stronger than the aforementioned in moving units.
 
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TLZ said:
The LinkedIn stuff?
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Public entries into the Linux kernel talking about T239 and its testing, CPU config. The hack itself directly tied T239 to Nintendo considering it's mentioned in NVN2 which is a proprietary API for Nintendo.
 
ILikeFeet said:
Drake is the name of the chip, the T239. we don't know the codename for the switch 2
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I wonder, when Nintendo officially announces the new hardware, if they’ll address it by a code name or if they’ll come straight out with its official name. I would assume they feel that people are expecting a direct upgrade to the Switch concept and may not feel the need to mask it with a code name, despite the fact the last 5 consoles had one.
 
GPKs3 said:
I wonder, when Nintendo officially announces the new hardware, if they’ll address it by a code name or if they’ll come straight out with its official name. I would assume they feel that people are expecting a direct upgrade to the Switch concept and may not feel the need to mask it with a code name, despite the fact the last 5 consoles had one.
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no reason to. codenames aren't use in marketing
 
darthdiablo said:
Not sure what that is referring to but it's a collection of bits here and there. Like this for example.
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Skittzo said:
Public entries into the Linux kernel talking about T239 and its testing, CPU config. The hack itself directly tied T239 to Nintendo considering it's mentioned in NVN2 which is a proprietary API for Nintendo.
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Just had a look at that link. Very cool. Is there another that ties that T239 to NVN2? I'm also going to assume that current Switch API is NVN, correct?

Also, just to add, the compatibility dates I see are Sep 2020. What's the possibility this might've been the Pro that was cancelled and Switch 2 is getting something different? Is there a more recent T239 example/update like the link above?
 
Dekuman said:
You should post this over at Era where the myth of the WUST thread was brought up ad nauseum last week and everytime there is a report pointing to a powerful Switch succssor.

Addressing the other readers of this thread:

As for the process node, I do note that this is the first major dissonant information from our informed speculation. It could well be wrong, but I caution against building a wall of denial that leads us to dismissing future contradictory information. I don't mean to aim this at you, just to the posters in general
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Are you not aware that kopite had said T239 would use SEC8N back in June 2021, when he first talked about the chip? It's not new information. The people who have debated and theorized about the node since then were fully aware that he made that claim, and people who expect a different node are just more persuaded by other evidence and also aware that kopite is not very reliable for Tegra information and T239 information specifically. Him saying the same thing again now, with no additional context, and no new details being proven correct since all the things he got wrong, doesn't really warrant this warning from you.
 
TLZ said:
Just had a look at that link. Very cool. Is there another that ties that T239 to NVN2? I'm also going to assume that current Switch API is NVN, correct?
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If you look at the first version of NVN, it is very clearly and explicitly meant to run on the Tegra X1. If you look at NVN2, it is in the same way very clearly meant to run on T239, with all the places that had Tegra X1-specific data before being replaced with T239 data. There is no question whatsoever about this.
 
kopite holding on 8N despite seeing the same things as everybody else is significant. There was reason for them to revise their answer post-leak, and they said the same thing.
 
TLZ said:
Also, just to add, the compatibility dates I see are Sep 2020. What's the possibility this might've been the Pro that was cancelled and Switch 2 is getting something different? Is there a more recent T239 example/update like the link above?
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NVN2 lists two chip types T234 (Orin) and T239 (Drake). T239 is a customized T234. There were updates to NVN2 code as recently as last February. The T239 cpufreq update from the Linux kernel commits that darthdiablo linked is from Sept 2022. There is no indication of another possible Switch chip targeted by NVN2.
 
catonkatonk said:
kopite holding on 8N despite seeing the same things as everybody else is significant. There was reason for them to revise their answer post-leak, and they said the same thing.
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or he has no actual updated information because so he's assuming like we are (with however much info he can gather)
 
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P4bl0 said:
Necrolipe also says H1 and we have a lot of indsurrial reports pointing to H1, even Q1 tbh

So yeah there is no smoke without fire
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Yeah but you were saying the exact same thing about a July reveal and a 2023 release just two months ago. The perspective just shifts by a quarter every time it doesn’t happen.

I promised to buy you a Switch 2 if it was revealed in July.

How about this time you buy my Switch 2 if it’s not h1? ;)
 
GPKs3 said:
I didn’t word myself correctly, my apologies. I was thinking more along the lines of a tweet like they did with NX, not the official unveiling/presentation.

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ah, no I don't see them using it like they did NX. NX was so they can say a name instead of saying "successor system" for a whole year. the circumstances with the NX were unique, which Nintendo said isn't going to be repeated
 
LiC said:
If you look at the first version of NVN, it is very clearly and explicitly meant to run on the Tegra X1. If you look at NVN2, it is in the same way very clearly meant to run on T239, with all the places that had Tegra X1-specific data before being replaced with T239 data. There is no question whatsoever about this.
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Nice. Can you point me to that data so I can have a look, kind people? I'm not familiar with where to look.
 
TLZ said:
Nice. Can you point me to that data so I can have a look, kind people? I'm not familiar with where to look.
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You will need to find and download the files taken from Nvidia when they were hacked by Lapsus, and then search around for the NVN2 folders.
 
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