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Rumour Eurogamer: "Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to developers at Gamescom ahead of widely-expected launch next year."

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I really don't want this to cost more than 400 and I think higher than that is a big ask for a toy for kids/families. Unfortunately if it launches with 3D Mario I will have no choice but to sell an organ to get my hand on one
 
It would be cool to play Enter the Matrix and The Path of Neo on the Switch 2.
 
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Catsylvania said:
I once said $399 was my line in the sand for Nintendo hardware.

I’m lying to myself. While $399 is absolutely not my line in the sand, I kind of feel like it is for the general consumer.
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I think $300 in 2017 adjusted for inflation is $377 in 2023. The cost of components is reportedly one of the key reasons they've never reduced the price of the OG, Lite, and SWOLED.

Unless Nintendo has worked out some great deals on the different components, it's hard for me to imagine it retailing for less than $400. I'm preparing it to be either $430 or $450, and I would love to be surprised.
 
Shinespark said:
I'm preparing it to be either $430 or $450, and I would love to be surprised.
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That’s on Nintendo to sort out. The question was what price threshold would make the console less desirable. I’ll pay over $399; I got nothing else going on.

In this economy with wages quite honestly as shit as they still are (at least in the United States; I have no frame of reference for anywhere else), $399 for a video game console just seems like a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people. Nintendo may very well set MSRP above $399. If it does, I don’t expect Switch 2 to sell as well or as quickly as Switch did.
 
Shinespark said:
Unless Nintendo has worked out some great deals on the different components, it's hard for me to imagine it retailing for less than $400. I'm preparing it to be either $430 or $450, and I would love to be surprised.
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This is a legit question and not a gotcha - is there any reason to think that the launch price would be something odd like $430 and not a rounder number? The only time I can remember something like that happening in the U.S. for a console in recent memory was like, the 20gb PS3 that no one bought (which is so forgotten about that people to this day quote PS3's starting price at $600)

I guess it could happen, but I sorta expect either $400 or $450. Even $450 seems a little weird honestly, I'd expect a rounder number.
 
ohlawd said:
People buy current gen for $500 and they're not deterred by it. Why would they walk away from a $450 Switch 2?
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because Nintendo consoles are for babies or something

remember eveyone thought 300 for the switch was insane too
 
$399.99US seems ideal. The question I see is whether or not Nintendo can still sell the console for a profit at that price, and if they'd be willing to sell it at a loss if they can't. If they can't, it's very likely they'd go higher to $449.99US rather than take a hit.
 
using the Matrix demo is certainly a choice, considering it only lasted seven months on PS5/Xbox Series due to Epic getting a very short licensing deal.
the non-Matrix assets are at least on Epic's developer store. so i wonder if this is either
  1. modified to wipe the licensed stuff out completely.
  2. never going to get shown publicly because they aren't planning to do that.
the TOTK demo is definitely getting out there, most likely in the form of a full enhanced re-release.
 
So uh, was the report changed to "general DLSS" or DLSS 3.1 (that's not frame gen right, specifically its better smoothing)? At any rate DLSS being confirmed is nice, especially what's seems to be a relatively recent version too. Nothing unexpected, but good.

UE5 stuff getting shown off is good, UE4 was a little all over the place this gen. 12GB RAM is good enough (thankfully it wasn't lower like some were speculating).
I wonder how the matrix demo ran?, despite showing off some cool effects it was a little stuttery on console hardware last time we saw it. Wasn't it showing off path tracing and fancy stuff? Even if its is pared down substantially the switch 2 must be capable of some of those bells and whistles in some form, or why show this demo at all? That said, these demos tend to be very scripted and not reflective of real gameplay.

Was this the "bird singing" people were on about?

None of this sounds impossible based on the realistic speculation resulting from the Nvidia leak, and there is a lot of smoke this time so It seems real.

Not keen on all the hype for "PS5 like performance" reports. Like we know it won't really be near that grunt, even with DLSS and modern architecture. Series S performance is also a big goal for switch 2 hardware and would be a great achievement for a handheld that is drawing less power, even while docked.

I didn't realize how "round number" obsesses console launch prices in the US have been, the last non *99 or *49/50 release was the Genesis. That's wild to me, the USD is pretty valuable so that lack of flexibility is pretty odd.
Handhelds have been different though, 2ds was $129, Dsi was $169, lite $129.
Man the Gameboy color was cheap when it launched, inflation adjusted sub $200, no wonder the Gameboy line sold so many units.
 
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Giancarlo said:
is not actually this, some games can be ported to Switch due to it hardware limitations, i sure with it sucess, many developers would love to release they games on Switch, but due to it hardware limitations, they cant do that
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Any game that was on the Xbox One could have been ported to the Switch over the past 6 years if the publisher really thought the demand for that particular title was worth the extra costs/efforts of year another platform to spend valuable resources on to make a port to.

Didn’t the Witcher 3 port reach us anything?

The Series S existing and the T239 Switch existing isn’t going to change any equations about support decisions over the next 6 years.
 
Krvavi Abadas said:
using the Matrix demo is certainly a choice, considering it only lasted seven months on PS5/Xbox Series due to Epic getting a very short licensing deal.
the non-Matrix assets are at least on Epic's developer store. so i wonder if this is either
  1. modified to wipe the licensed stuff out completely.
  2. never going to get shown publicly because they aren't planning to do that.
the TOTK demo is definitely getting out there, most likely in the form of a full enhanced re-release.
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it's most likely the City demo which is available to download
 
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Catsylvania said:
I once said $399 was my line in the sand for Nintendo hardware.

I’m lying to myself. While $399 is absolutely not my line in the sand, I kind of feel like it is for the general consumer.
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Well, with how well the $349 Switch sold and still selling, I don’t think a $399 Switch the ceiling for general consumption, tbh.

Catsylvania said:
That’s on Nintendo to sort out. The question was what price threshold would make the console less desirable. I’ll pay over $399; I got nothing else going on.

In this economy with wages quite honestly as shit as they still are (at least in the United States; I have no frame of reference for anywhere else), $399 for a video game console just seems like a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people. Nintendo may very well set MSRP above $399. If it does, I don’t expect Switch 2 to sell as well or as quickly as Switch did.
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It doesn’t need to sell quickly, though. I’m sure they will keep making and selling and supporting OLED’s and Lite’s for quite awhile. This new Switch can be positioned as the premium option in the Switch gaming ecosystem.
 
Pokemaniac said:
T239 will show Nvidia's (and ARM's, Nvidia doesn't really make console-ready CPU cores yet) design philosophy just like GCN, Wii, and Wii U showed IBM and ATI/AMD's design philosophy. It's possible that some of Nintendo's simpler graphics processors were fully bespoke (or at least, their design isn't typically attributed to anyone else), but their involvement in chip design has probably remained mostly static over the years. Switch was a bit of an aberration at launch, but even then, they only stuck with that design for a couple years before switching to a custom version of the chip more suited to their needs and there was at least one non-SoC chip they had a very significant hand in designing (the cart controller).

Also, I think you're really overestimating how bespoke a lot of Nintendo's older hardware is. The GCN CPU, for example, is a pretty lightly customized PPC 750 (used by the G3 Macs), and there was even a variant of it later on called the 750CL that was pretty close to the exact configuration used by the Wii.
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The GameCube (and by extension really the Wii and Wii U since they all derive from that chip) are very heavily Nintendo's philosophy because really it was made before those designers were even AMD.

Art-X (the company that designed the heart of the GameCube, the Flipper GPU) was basically a rag tag small group of ex-SGI employees starting from scratch ... Nintendo was paying their bills so they basically had all the say so on what the chip was and sure enough they basically built a "things we wish the N64 was" chipset ... but 5 years too late for it to matter (thanks PS2). Low latency, easier to program for, wonderful textures, optical disc format, such a shame, if Nintendo had that system in 1996 but only about as powerful as the N64 they would've beaten Sony handily IMO.

Can't really do that anymore, that kind of idea of a small group of people building a proper next-gen graphics technology in this day and age is sorta impossible. You don't want to customize too much, the more customization you do, the higher your bill is going to cost. AMD doesn't work for free and Nvidia certainly doesn't so it's like spending hours and hours of extra time with your lawyer ... all you're going to do is run up a sky high bill.
 
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Mekanos said:
I really don't want this to cost more than 400 and I think higher than that is a big ask for a toy for kids/families.
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I’m not so sure. Switch is a big name and huge success. Everyone knows what it is. It also doesn’t hurt that it is the exclusive home of Mario, Smash, Pokémon, Mario Kart, Zelda, Splatoon, etc… Having said that, I’m mostly leaning towards $399. However, if it launches at $449, I don’t think it will deter families from getting one. Many years of awesome games and entertainment.

Mekanos said:
Unfortunately if it launches with 3D Mario I will have no choice but to sell an organ to get my hand on one
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And I’m sure many families out there won’t hesitate to do the same thing. It’s Mario! :cool:
 
My Tulpa said:
It doesn’t need to sell quickly, though. I’m sure they will keep making and selling and supporting OLED’s and Lite’s for quite awhile. This new Switch can be positioned as the premium option in the Switch gaming ecosystem.
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Sure, but I didn’t say it needed to sell quickly. Again, the question was what price threshold would make the console less desirable. I think $399 is where some people will start talking themselves out of it leading to fewer and slower sales than its predecessor.
 
grobla123 said:
So uh, was the report changed to "general DLSS" or DLSS 3.1 (that's not frame gen right, specifically its better smoothing)? At any rate DLSS being confirmed is nice, especially what's seems to be a relatively recent version too. Nothing unexpected, but good.

UE5 stuff getting shown off is good, UE4 was a little all over the place this gen. 12GB RAM is good enough (thankfully it wasn't lower like some were speculating).
I wonder how the matrix demo ran?, despite showing off some cool effects it was a little stuttery on console hardware last time we saw it. Wasn't it showing off path tracing and fancy stuff? Even if its is pared down substantially the switch 2 must be capable of some of those bells and whistles in some form, or why show this demo at all? That said, these demos tend to be very scripted and not reflective of real gameplay.

Was this the "bird singing" people were on about?

None of this sounds impossible based on the realistic speculation resulting from the Nvidia leak, and there is a lot of smoke this time so It seems real.

Not keen on all the hype for "PS5 like performance" reports. Like we know it won't really be near that grunt, even with DLSS and modern architecture. Series S performance is also a big goal for switch 2 hardware and would be a great achievement for a handheld that is drawing less power, even while docked.

I didn't realize how "round number" obsesses console launch prices in the US have been, the last non *99 or *49/50 release was the Genesis. That's wild to me, the USD is pretty valuable so that lack of flexibility is pretty odd.
Handhelds have been different though, 2ds was $129, Dsi was $169, lite $129.
Man the Gameboy color was cheap when it launched, inflation adjusted sub $200, no wonder the Gameboy line sold so many units.
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"Is DLSS 3.1 frame gen" is kind of a complicated thing to answer. I wrote a (sort of) brief explanation of DLSS and its version numbers here.

In this context, we don't know for sure which version of DLSS was used, or have any way to verify it, but even if we did, that wouldn't tell us if frame generation was being used. No one has reported that it was being used, though, and the reports that DLSS was used in the first place are likely principally concerned with the upscaling feature, whether it was version 2.x or 3.x.
 
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The premium Switch OLED model becoming the most successful SKU since it launched has perhaps taught Nintendo some valuable lessons.
 
Arbitrary Function said:
I used to be much more excited about the Switch successor until I played TotK, which to me trumps anything released on "powerful" hardware. Yeah I'm talking about game design, not window dressing.
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That's the thing, that will allow them to do more. Nintendo will always put the game before the window dressing.

They make games that would legitimately be fun if the characters looked like Minecraft characters or just shapeless blobs.

That's the beauty of new hardware, something like ToTK wouldn't be possible on Wii.
 
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Ratchet and Clank PS5 (top) vs Steam Deck w/ dynamic res scaling (below).

Now imagine a Switch 2 version of this game, performing like the Steam Deck version, but with DLSS to push this to 1440p. The end result would be 'comparable'. Still running at lower settings and half the framerate, but providing a similar enough image quality while still maintaining the game's visual style.
 
AngryAlchemist said:
This is a legit question and not a gotcha - is there any reason to think that the launch price would be something odd like $430 and not a rounder number? The only time I can remember something like that happening in the U.S. for a console in recent memory was like, the 20gb PS3 that no one bought (which is so forgotten about that people to this day quote PS3's starting price at $600)

I guess it could happen, but I sorta expect either $400 or $450. Even $450 seems a little weird honestly, I'd expect a rounder number.
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Lol I threw out $430 as a shot in the dark mostly bc if it happens I'll look like a genius.
 
Machrider said:
The GameCube (and by extension really the Wii and Wii U since they all derive from that chip) are very heavily Nintendo's philosophy because really it was made before those designers were even AMD.

Art-X (the company that designed the heart of the GameCube, the Flipper GPU) was basically a rag tag small group of ex-SGI employees starting from scratch ... Nintendo was paying their bills so they basically had all the say so on what the chip was and sure enough they basically built a "things we wish the N64 was" chipset ... but 5 years too late for it to matter (thanks PS2). Low latency, easier to program for, wonderful textures, optical disc format, such a shame, if Nintendo had that system in 1996 but only about as powerful as the N64 they would've beaten Sony handily IMO.

Can't really do that anymore, that kind of idea of a small group of people building a proper next-gen graphics technology in this day and age is sorta impossible. You don't want to customize too much, the more customization you do, the higher your bill is going to cost. AMD doesn't work for free and Nvidia certainly doesn't so it's like spending hours and hours of extra time with your lawyer ... all you're going to do is run up a sky high bill.
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The GPU being mostly designed by Art-X doesn't make it any more Nintendo than any of the others. 3D hardware was much less mature and standardized at that point, so it's only natural that smaller, more experimental teams could flourish.

Also, BC aside, the Wii U GPU probably isn't significantly more based on Flipper than any other AMD GPU of its era.
Krvavi Abadas said:
using the Matrix demo is certainly a choice, considering it only lasted seven months on PS5/Xbox Series due to Epic getting a very short licensing deal.
the non-Matrix assets are at least on Epic's developer store. so i wonder if this is either
  1. modified to wipe the licensed stuff out completely.
  2. never going to get shown publicly because they aren't planning to do that.
the TOTK demo is definitely getting out there, most likely in the form of a full enhanced re-release.
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I'd be very surprised if Nintendo actually rereleased TotK or BotW (the actual game supposedly demoed) on their next hardware. A patch would make more sense if they wanted to do anything with either of those games.
 
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Eclissi said:
This would be a relevant topic: what is the price threshold that would make the console less desirable. But it is different from the discussion "for me it will cost 349" "for me 399" "for me 349"...
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My personal limit is 399, if it's above that I'll have to wait for a discount or for someone to sell their "I regret it biting so early" unit for a bit lower, which is actualy pretty common around here so it's a viable option.
 
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Catsylvania said:
That’s on Nintendo to sort out. The question was what price threshold would make the console less desirable. I’ll pay over $399; I got nothing else going on.

In this economy with wages quite honestly as shit as they still are (at least in the United States; I have no frame of reference for anywhere else), $399 for a video game console just seems like a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people. Nintendo may very well set MSRP above $399. If it does, I don’t expect Switch 2 to sell as well or as quickly as Switch did.
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I think you've outlined multiple reasons I agree with that mean it should be $400 or less. I'm not confident that it will, and the fact that PS5s are flying off shelves at $500 indicates that $450 in 2024 might be ok.
 
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AlwaysOnDeck said:
If they are just unveiling dev kits, now, then the successor probably isn't seeing the light of day until 2025.
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To my understanding, some major studios have had dev kits for a while now. I think the devs that saw the demos at Gamescon come from smaller European studios. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
 
I've always felt the Switch 2 would be $399. I'm comfortable paying whatever but I really think Nintendo hit a great price at $300, they know they have to go higher for a new console but I really feel like they won't want to hit higher than $400. It'll be the most expensive console they ever put out.

...unless they saw their software numbers for Switch and think they could do $300 and make up for the loss with software sales.
 
Lugia667 said:
again people thought 300 for the switch was unacceptable
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But here we are almost 7 years later and the Switch has sold over 130 million units and it’s showing no signs of stopping soon. That and the standard model hasn’t seen a price cut at all.
 
It will be 4K capable and is rumored to have an 8 inch 1080p screen. People are used to paying more for 4K, and they're used to paying more for larger screens.

Honestly if they add more streaming apps beyond Hulu, Crunchyroll and Youtube then also becomes a very convenient and capable media tablet and 4K streaming box. $400 feels fair.
 
I can't see Nintendo seeing the Series S on the market and deciding to sell this thing for any more than 400 dollars. With the attachment rates of the Switch and continued online subscriptions, they would surely be better off even taking a loss over alienating the budget console market.
 
naobinokami said:
I can't see Nintendo seeing the Series S on the market and deciding to sell this thing for any more than 400 dollars. With the attachment rates of the Switch and continued online subscriptions, they would surely be better off even taking a loss over alienating the budget console market.
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I don't see them taking a loss at $400. if Drake (the chip) is as small as we think, that's a lot of units out of one expensive wafer.
 
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Serif said:
That some people literally expect something like a weaker Xbox One docked shows how detached from reality this perspective has gotten and is difficult to discuss because the kinds of responses you get are "you never know with Nintendo!".
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oh fuck do i hate the people that deploy that argument or the "nintendo gonna nintendo" shit. u can just feel them leaning back after typing that and smiling smugly, confident that they have automatically won. worst type of assholes.
 
Serif said:
It will be 4K capable and is rumored to have an 8 inch 1080p screen. People are used to paying more for 4K, and they're used to paying more for larger screens.

Honestly if they add more streaming apps beyond Hulu, Crunchyroll and Youtube then also becomes a very convenient and capable media tablet and 4K streaming box. $400 feels fair.
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til that hulu is on the eshop wtf
 
Sounds good to me. Pricewise I’m expecting something like $600-$650 in Australia.I paid $470 for Switch at launch and $800 for PS5 last year, I hope it’s less but I could swing $750-800 for Switch 2 at launch next year too but that’s firmly the upper limit of what I expect
 
thoughthaver said:
oh fuck do i hate the people that deploy that argument or the "nintendo gonna nintendo" shit. u can just feel them leaning back after typing that and smiling smugly, confident that they have automatically won. worst type of assholes.
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They know the reality, but will ignore it and shamelessly/willfully spout crap as fact to push their agendas. They desire that false validation and vindication.
 
thoughthaver said:
oh fuck do i hate the people that deploy that argument or the "nintendo gonna nintendo" shit. u can just feel them leaning back after typing that and smiling smugly, confident that they have automatically won. worst type of assholes.
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honestly, all the reports are pointing to what we expect, this is shaping up to be the opposite of WUST. if people want to get their digs in now and be a jerk, you can always bookmark the thread and bump it later when they are wrong.
 
Dekuman said:
honestly, all the reports are pointing to what we expect, this is shaping up to be the opposite of WUST. if people want to get their digs in now and be a jerk, you can always bookmark the thread and bump it later when they are wrong.
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It's a better idea than what I'm doing there now, which is just wasting my time. The Switch 2 reveal and subsequent hands-on impressions will do a better job of jolting people out of entrenched mindsets than trying to do it slowly with evidence and reasoning. I guess I'm just doing it for myself cause I'm tired of reading the same thing over and over...
 
GPKs3 said:
They know the reality, but will ignore it and shamelessly/willfully spout crap as fact to push their agendas. They desire that false validation and vindication.
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think its more that lots of people had their brains pickled during the wii era and now think 2023 nintendo is the exact same thing as 2006 nintendo
 
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