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chocolate_supra said:
I'm also on Team Summer 2023 reveal!

Except in my neck of the woods that means we could be waiting till October
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In my neck of the woods that means summer has been over for an entire month already. 😅

I guess I'm team Autumn reveal, though. My Autumn. So between now and November 1st.
 
It has been said that the conventional wisdom is that Nintendo targets the holidays, and that has seemingly been true historically, but with all the talk of stock concerns, I do wonder if that's something we can safely apply to their next hardware as well. Switch did pretty well with a March launch, and launching outside of their busy season would ostensibly help to spread out demand.
 
In terms of purely technical expectations, we've known what T239 might be capable of in abstract, but we haven't known clock speeds, RAM amounts, storage speeds, or the like. So there are still places where Nintendo could surprise, both in individual choices and the complete package.

"PS4 like perf plus DLSS for 4k, and some RT" is a great description, but it's very different from actually seeing what that would look like, especially with Nintendo building the demo, instead of just imagining a port.

There is also the software support - DLSS Ultra Performance keeps getting better and better, and saw improvements in just the last week. Last year, there were reports that Nintendo was struggling with RT and battery life. There is room there for even an informed person to see something that exceeds expectations, just because Nvidia is able to deliver more and more out of those dedicated hardware blocks, seemingly every six months.

Battery life expectations? HDR? VRR? There are lots of places for Nintendo to exceed my expectations, if not in any individual choice, but certainly in aggregate.
 
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Finished cooking and eating a delicious bowl of Korean fried rice with my family, did all the evening chores, sat on my recliner to relax and opened this thread, just finished reading three pages of pure hype and now I'm like this.

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Love it. The feeling that it's finally happening is palpable.

Special thanks to @NateDrake @Z0m3le and @necrolipe for fanning the flames.

Also I predict June 3rd just because it's my birthday and I deserve it Nintendo dammit.
 
Hmm, all that chatter does feel like something’s right around the corner, right? Nate is not usually that talkative 👀
 
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kimbo99 said:
Not a leaker or insider by any means, but a client of mine was at Gamescom and from their recollection, there was not much foot traffic near Nintendo's box booth.
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No doubt it would be a fairly short event taking place on a single morning or afternoon with just a very small number of invitation-only guests, aside from that one instance of use the booth would be little more than a decoration
 
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I would honestly prefer a 720p OLED screen over a 1080p LCD one.

I dislike the gray uniformity and imperfect blacks more than lower resolution.

Heck, a 720p OLED screen would be less taxing for the system, increasing the battery life and frame rate. Just add VRR/120Hz and HDR to the current Switch OLED screen and that's it.
 
FernandoRocker said:
I would honestly prefer a 720p OLED screen over a 1080p LCD one.

I dislike the gray uniformity and imperfect blacks more than lower resolution.

Heck, a 720p OLED screen would be less taxing for the system, increasing the battery life and frame rate. Just add VRR/120Hz and HDR to the current Switch OLED screen and that's it.
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I've actually come around to it. Obv still hope we get a 1080p OLED at launch. But at least in this way the system for the next 7-8 years will have 1080p screen as it's base specs. They can easily (and probably will) add an OLED model in a few years. But I doubt they would ever bump the handheld resolution
 
FernandoRocker said:
I would honestly prefer a 720p OLED screen over a 1080p LCD one.

I dislike the gray uniformity and imperfect blacks more than lower resolution.

Heck, a 720p OLED screen would be less taxing for the system, increasing the battery life and frame rate. Just add VRR/120Hz and HDR to the current Switch OLED screen and that's it.
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Anecdotally I’ve seen this a lot. It’s my stance as well. That said, I’m over the initial outrage and just keen on getting it into my hands. It’ll probably be a fair product in the end. We aren’t going back to OG Switch quality screens.

Edit: I value OLED a lot these days, but I could find myself really enjoying 8” 1080p and see the value in the trade off.
 
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squinters said:
I've actually come around to it. Obv still hope we get a 1080p OLED at launch. But at least in this way the system for the next 7-8 years will have 1080p screen as it's base specs. They can easily (and probably will) add an OLED model in a few years. But I doubt they would ever bump the handheld resolution
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That's actually a pretty good point. Haven't thought about it that way, but makes sense.
 
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I'll do a favor to myself and to a lot of folks who can't keep with the fast pace of this thread lately and ask: can someone give me resume or some key points of what's been going on lately with switch 2 leaks? I lost the line around the time someone started posting obviously fake leaks on twitter about the "Nintendo Focus".
 
My wife: Hey, whatchu doin?
Me: Oh nothing just listening to the lark song.
My wife: Lark song…? We don’t have larks in our neighbourhood.
Me: It’s okay. I can hear them.
My wife: But there’s just silence, I can’t hea-
Me: NATE TOLD ME THAT SONG BIRDS ARE SINGING DELIGHTFULLY OKAY.
My wife: Nate?! Who’s Nate?
Me:
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theguy said:
My wife: Hey, whatchu doin?
Me: Oh nothing just listening to the lark song.
My wife: Lark song…? We don’t have larks in our neighbourhood.
Me: It’s okay. I can hear them.
My wife: But there’s just silence, I can’t hea-
Me: NATE TOLD ME THAT SONG BIRDS ARE SINGING DELIGHTFULLY OKAY.
My wife: Nate?! Who’s Nate?
Me:
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For some reason, this reminded me of the original Jake from State Farm commercial. "Who are you calling at 3 am????"
 
Skittzo said:
While you're probably right (I agree), it's worth noting that the only reasoning given by VGC and others who expect an H2 2024 launch seems to be so that Nintendo has enough stock for launch and doesn't have crazy shortages.

So if they're doing a 9-10 month production run that would also fit with that idea, that they just want to have a ton of units at launch.

That being said I don't think there's really such a thing as "enough units at launch" so I do think that reasoning is a bit suspect.
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That much stock starts to take up a lot of space. as Nintendo would have to store 70-100 shipping containers per million units.

The cost of storage would start to add up, quickly. So I concur with you in that it doesn't make sense even if superficially it seems reasonable.
 
I think conclusions of an early 2024 launch are premature, even though I think it's the likely outcome myself. The information to make that conclusion is not there yet.
 
SiG said:
The BAYX layout is not a flaw. It is intentionally meant to immitate the Super Nintendo’s face button layout.

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I'm aware, I'm just poking a bit of fun at the Xbox layout used in that concept picture (I have no idea how anyone manages to use a switched A/B and X/Y)
 
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LiC said:
I think conclusions of an early 2024 launch are premature, even though I think it's the likely outcome myself. The information to make that conclusion is not there yet.
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Me?! In this thread?!

Premature?!

Never!!!

😂
 
Past Nintendo Hardware Release Dates:

GREEN = H1
RED = H2

Handheld

  • The Nintendo Game Boy was released in Japan on April 21, 1989, and in North America on July 31, 1989.
  • The Game Boy Color was released in Japan on October 21, 1998, and in North America on November 10, 1998.
  • The Game Boy Advance was released in Japan on June 21, 2001, and in North America on June 19, 2001.
  • The Nintendo DS was released in Japan on November 21, 2004, and in North America on November 26, 2004.
  • The Nintendo DS Lite was released in Japan on March 2, 2006, and in North America on March 11, 2006.
  • The Nintendo 3DS was released in Japan on February 26, 2011, and in North America on March 27, 2011.

Home

  • The Nintendo Wii was released on November 19, 2006.
  • The Nintendo Wii U was released on November 18, 2012.
  • The Nintendo GameCube was released on November 18, 2001.
  • The Nintendo 64 was released on June 23, 1996.
  • The Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) was released on August 21, 1991.
  • The Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) was released on October 18, 1985.

Hybrid

The Nintendo Switch was released in March 2017.

Which color will be the NX2 ? Place your bets

H1 6/14
H2 7/14

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oldpuck said:
Stock is complicated. Nintendo can manufacture as many units as they want, but holding them well before launch will just result in pre-release black market sales. And while they can stock them up in giant warehouses near production facilities, their ability to supply units to stores is limited by shipping speed and capacity. So while an extended manufacturing period seems possible, 9 months seems a little wild.

The March launch of the Switch was useful for managing stock not because of the lead time, but because it let them manufacture counter cyclically - not competing with other products for holiday capacity - while also letting them meet Fan demand first, and then Holiday demand second. A big ramp up for a Holiday launch would still be throttled by massive demand on one side, and shipping limits on the other.

If Nintendo wants to fight scalpers with production, the key is to keep stock in stores. If scalpers buy an entire product launch, but then Nintendo just refills those stores with fresh stock, scalpers will be price competing with MSRP, which makes scalping unprofitable. So a combination of managing supply, demand, and shipping. The smartest move purely from a scalping perspective is to get away from a Holiday launch.

Which is not to say I think that's what Nintendo is planning. Scalping doesn't have to be Nintendo's #1 priority.
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Good points.

I would also add that, if they release around Spring, by Q4 they would already have multiple games out in different genres, maximizing mass market appeal.

Some western third-parties may have heard about Q4 because Nintendo may be keeping the launch period for itself and their close partners.
 
P4bl0 said:
Past Nintendo Hardware Release Dates:

GREEN = H1
RED = H2

Handheld

  • The Nintendo Game Boy was released in Japan on April 21, 1989, and in North America on July 31, 1989.
  • The Game Boy Color was released in Japan on October 21, 1998, and in North America on November 10, 1998.
  • The Game Boy Advance was released in Japan on June 21, 2001, and in North America on June 19, 2001.
  • The Nintendo DS was released in Japan on November 21, 2004, and in North America on November 26, 2004.
  • The Nintendo DS Lite was released in Japan on March 2, 2006, and in North America on March 11, 2006.
  • The Nintendo 3DS was released in Japan on February 26, 2011, and in North America on March 27, 2011.

Home

  • The Nintendo Wii was released on November 19, 2006.
  • The Nintendo Wii U was released on November 18, 2012.
  • The Nintendo GameCube was released on November 18, 2001.
  • The Nintendo 64 was released on June 23, 1996.
  • The Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) was released on August 21, 1991.
  • The Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) was released on October 18, 1985.

Hybrid

The Nintendo Switch was released in March 2017.

Which color will be the NX2 ? Place your bets

H1 6/14
H2 7/14

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H2.
October 20th, 2023.

😀
 
Cybergatuno said:
Good points.

I would also add that, if they release around Spring, by Q4 they would already have multiple games out in different genres, maximizing mass market appeal.

Some western third-parties may have heard about Q4 because Nintendo may be keeping the launch period for itself and their close partners.
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It is interesting to consider whether, even though the Switch's March launch was the result of a delay from a conventional holiday plan, Nintendo now considers it was advantageous in its own right and wants to follow it again. Until now, I've been pretty convinced they wouldn't, and that an early 2024 launch could only be the result of another similar delay from late 2023 (which, who knows, maybe it is), but I guess it's debatable. Being able to have BotW, MK8, Splatoon 2, and Odyssey all get their own big launches and all be lined up for the first holiday period was clearly a huge win. They can't really do something at that level again since the heavy hitters like Zelda, Splatoon, and Animal Crossing just recently had their installments released, but they might want to attempt to follow the pattern.
 
Concernt said:
H2.
October 20th, 2023.

😀
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We have to give up on this one 🥲

By the way Nintendo just announced Nintendo Live in January 2024 in Tokyo, in the same venue as the 2017 Switch Presentation. If they actually reveal the next-gen this fall they could potentially also take advantage of the venue right before Nintendo Live for a NX2 Presentation don't you think ?
 
P4bl0 said:
We have to give up on this one 🥲

By the way Nintendo just announced Nintendo Live in January 2024 in Tokyo, in the same venue as the 2017 Switch Presentation. If they actually reveal the next-gen this fall they could potentially also take advantage of the venue right before Nintendo Live for a NX2 Presentation don't you think ?
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We?

WE?

There is no "we".
 
stark1llr said:
I'll do a favor to myself and to a lot of folks who can't keep with the fast pace of this thread lately and ask: can someone give me resume or some key points of what's been going on lately with switch 2 leaks?
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Short version: nothing.

Medium version:

Something Switch 2 was at Gamescom, but there is no reliable public info of what exactly. The details have been game-of-telephoned quite a bit, so a lot of the last dozen pages have been speculation and misinformation management.

A "Mario Red" Special Edition OLED model has been reliably leaked. When the Mario Wonder direct was announced, even a dummy like me could guess a special edition was coming with.

Lots of folks trying to guess rollout schedule from these two data points.

Some vague hints are being interpreted as saying that whatever was at Gamescom is impressive.
 
P4bl0 said:
We have to give up on this one 🥲

By the way Nintendo just announced Nintendo Live in January 2024 in Tokyo, in the same venue as the 2017 Switch Presentation. If they actually reveal the next-gen this fall they could potentially also take advantage of the venue right before Nintendo Live for a NX2 Presentation don't you think ?
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I was thinking the same thing that the introduction of the switch to the public was around that period too in 2017.
I mean, why not ?
 
oldpuck said:
Short version: nothing.

Medium version:

Something Switch 2 was at Gamescom, but there is no reliable public info of what exactly. The details have been game-of-telephoned quite a bit, so a lot of the last dozen pages have been speculation and misinformation management.

A "Mario Red" Special Edition OLED model has been reliably leaked. When the Mario Wonder direct was announced, even a dummy like me could guess a special edition was coming with.

Lots of folks trying to guess rollout schedule from these two data points.

Some vague hints are being interpreted as saying that whatever was at Gamescom is impressive.
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Not just impressive, delightful too.

Like a warm blanket, a mug of cocoa and a spectacular view of the season's first snowfall.
 
Onizuka said:
I see that many pages flew by. I've been reading but I can't guess what happened, is there new information? Precise things?
Do we have data on the hardware, possible games, release date, reveal?
What has happened so that everything is advancing at the speed of light? Thank you.
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Rumours that dev kits or even final designs were shown and given to big devs during Gamescom.
 
Onizuka said:
I see that many pages flew by. I've been reading but I can't guess what happened, is there new information? Precise things?
Do we have data on the hardware, possible games, release date, reveal?
What has happened so that everything is advancing at the speed of light? Thank you.
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Early indications from the (alleged) Switch 2 showcase at Gamescom is that it's (allegedly) exceeding expectations, although insiders are waiting either to see who breaks the NDA first, or until more private presentation events happen and manufacturing starts, before spilling what they know - greatly dilutes the risk involved in publicising Nintendo's (alleged) private showcases
 
Onizuka said:
I see that many pages flew by. I've been reading but I can't guess what happened, is there new information? Precise things?
Do we have data on the hardware, possible games, release date, reveal?
What has happened so that everything is advancing at the speed of light? Thank you.
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Edit: answered thoroughly already above me. Ignore.
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Reports from VGC among others that development kits are being distributed, followed recently by some very positive industry chatter at Gamescom that we’re all hoping surfaces soon.

Not really much else.
 
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