Dread was one of the highlights of the recent sale. That probably helped to sell more copies since it was only $40.
indeed. even if it sold only 2 million nintendo surely would have been proud of it. at 3 million they re absolutely ecstatic lol.Dread was one of the highlights of the recent sale. That probably helped to sell more copies since it was only $40.
I wouldn't worry too much anyway. It sold enough and I'm sure they're already working on Metroid 6 right now.
How far past 3M Dread got is what I'm the most excited to see in the CESA White Book.
Dread really only needs another 100k to do history, if it goes Xenoblade, FE3H and other games's route it should reach a complete new standard tho.
I kinda hate how concern trolls on this website managed to turn 3 million copies from a non mario game into "bad sales".
the problem is always the concern trolls. It feels like 2.9 million for metroid is barely 1 million in online forums (including here, yes).
honestly id prefer to not make any predictions on how much dread sold since then, but if it really did 3.5 id be ecstatic, 4 million would be a reality
Not to be a downer, but 3.5 by end of 22 seems a bit much? IIRC the game did get that typical 30% eshop discount around a year after launch, but can't see much else to really prop up sales. I fully admit it's semantics to argue over a few 100k on my part though. With that said I agree with the rest of your post fully, seeing it break 3M will be a very nice symbolic victory.
Metroid gets to occupy the space where because of its birthday (right next to Zelda and SMB) people assume "oh it must be as important as those 2 in terms of sales" or something along those lines. Not a fan of that discourse either but it is what it is
I don't know if I'd say this site at large hates Metroid or has a lot of concern trolls for it, but I instinctively know what you mean. Discussion about Metroid has indeed sucked here before. A lot of it seems to be over hostility towards a time where Metroid was seen as over-important and its fans were insufferable. What sucks is that as someone who got into the series in 2015, a lot of it feels like fighting an invisible punching bag. I've never seen the community being cringe in the entire time I've joined it, so I'm not sure what to do to change the perception of it when it's based off decades old discourse (and no, DKC:TF is not a Metroid community problem, the entire Nintendo community was absolutely sick of there being no big important games for the Wii U). What sucks is as a Pikmin fan, I can't even get hyped for the breakout success 4 will be because I'm already lamenting the trolling over Pikmin selling way more than Metroid
Fantastic comment =)I don't know if I'd say this site at large hates Metroid or has a lot of concern trolls for it, but I instinctively know what you mean. Discussion about Metroid has indeed sucked here before. A lot of it seems to be over hostility towards a time where Metroid was seen as over-important and its fans were insufferable. What sucks is that as someone who got into the series in 2015, a lot of it feels like fighting an invisible punching bag. I've never seen the community being cringe in the entire time I've joined it, so I'm not sure what to do to change the perception of it when it's based off decades old discourse (and no, DKC:TF is not a Metroid community problem, the entire Nintendo community was absolutely sick of there being no big important games for the Wii U). What sucks is as a Pikmin fan, I can't even get hyped for the breakout success 4 will be because I'm already lamenting the trolling over Pikmin selling way more than Metroid
That being said, eating sour grapes about it isn't going to make things better, either. Metroid is niche and until we get a breakout game (hopefully it's Metroid Prime 4) it will continue to be so. So I just roll with the concern trolling. It is what it is.
Yeah, Dread and Prime Remastered did Fire Emblem and Xenoblade numbers. Perfectly happy with that, personally. Especially looking at how much support Nintendo has given FE and XC over the last few years.
Dread really only needs another 100k to do history, if it goes Xenoblade, FE3H and other games's route it should reach a complete new standard tho.
I kinda hate how concern trolls on this website managed to turn 3 million copies from a non mario game into "bad sales".
Metroid always felt like Nintendo's black sheep. It is the only franchise with a serious tone (and Zelda sometimes too) and that follows a linear story with the same protagonist and that on top of that is a woman. In addition to being one of the few franchises not created by Miyamoto and that continues to get new games even though other franchises are dead. Even back then, Kid Icarus, which was Metroid's "sister franchise" , stopped getting games after the GameBoy and didn't get a "Super Metroid-like" game.I don't know if I'd say this site at large hates Metroid or has a lot of concern trolls for it, but I instinctively know what you mean. Discussion about Metroid has indeed sucked here before. A lot of it seems to be over hostility towards a time where Metroid was seen as over-important and its fans were insufferable. What sucks is that as someone who got into the series in 2015, a lot of it feels like fighting an invisible punching bag. I've never seen the community being cringe in the entire time I've joined it, so I'm not sure what to do to change the perception of it when it's based off decades old discourse (and no, DKC:TF is not a Metroid community problem, the entire Nintendo community was absolutely sick of there being no big important games for the Wii U). What sucks is as a Pikmin fan, I can't even get hyped for the breakout success 4 will be because I'm already lamenting the trolling over Pikmin selling way more than Metroid
That being said, eating sour grapes about it isn't going to make things better, either. Metroid is niche and until we get a breakout game (hopefully it's Metroid Prime 4) it will continue to be so. So I just roll with the concern trolling. It is what it is.
To be frank, 2015 was right in the thick of it. Somewhere around when there were death threats over Federation Force, that seemed to be when people finally got sick of the way Metroid fans had behaved in the past few years. Specifically Metroid Prime fans, really. So by around 2017 or 2018, the narrative was now that Tropical Freeze was a masterpiece and Metroid fans are cringe wackjobs (though tbh I feel like this has mostly been forgotten now in favor of Paper Mario fans being cringe wackjobs, thanks Arlo).I don't know if I'd say this site at large hates Metroid or has a lot of concern trolls for it, but I instinctively know what you mean. Discussion about Metroid has indeed sucked here before. A lot of it seems to be over hostility towards a time where Metroid was seen as over-important and its fans were insufferable. What sucks is that as someone who got into the series in 2015, a lot of it feels like fighting an invisible punching bag. I've never seen the community being cringe in the entire time I've joined it, so I'm not sure what to do to change the perception of it when it's based off decades old discourse (and no, DKC:TF is not a Metroid community problem, the entire Nintendo community was absolutely sick of there being no big important games for the Wii U). What sucks is as a Pikmin fan, I can't even get hyped for the breakout success 4 will be because I'm already lamenting the trolling over Pikmin selling way more than Metroid
That being said, eating sour grapes about it isn't going to make things better, either. Metroid is niche and until we get a breakout game (hopefully it's Metroid Prime 4) it will continue to be so. So I just roll with the concern trolling. It is what it is.
Yeah, I just want to say real quick that I'm not here to say things for the sake of confirmation bias or to throw a pity party. Metroid fans aren't oppressed or anything silly like that. I know how it looks, but just said it because it was my actual response to the conversation at hand at the time. That being said, while I think Dread specifically might not have gotten flack for its sales especially at release, I've definitely seen people throw Metroid sales, which to be fair are usually miniscule, under the bus. Including Dread's in retrospect. Prime Remastered's release was really the worst Metroid discussion has ever been here imo, I saw more than one user seriously try to argue the series is nicher than Xenoblade and Pikmin (to be fair the second one is going to be true soon, funnily enough), which really wasn't backed by just about any sales data. People all the sudden started talking about "franchise familiarity" and making whole threads about it when it was rarely discussed before, and one user in particular made two very thinly veiled threads to address it when they had spent multiple replies in other threads punching down to Metroid because of the success of Kirby and the Forgotten Land. Then of course Donkey Kong fans were annoyed again because Prime was being talked about. And to make discussion even worse, yet again Metroid fans kind of overhyped the sales potential of another release in the series. It got very ridiculous very fast.
I don't really understand the connection you're trying to draw here, as a Donkey Kong fan, but I don't really have anything else to add to this conversation. I like Metroid games but I don't always agree with the fandom's POV of the series, and that's about all I can say on that.
I'm talking about the DKCTF connection which was mentioned earlier in the thread already, felt that was obvious and didn't need much explanation. But yeah, that's fair. I don't think the convo should continue either.
its more like "oh its a shame that even with full marketing and oled dread barely outsold metroid prime..." those people are concern trolls lol. Hell even the "60 dollar vs indie" thing i already saw some times, althrough also by metroid fans.
I know I've seen something like this regarding Metroid in general on a number of occasions, but I haven't really bothered to pay it much heed.
There's definitely been some of this, where fans have hyped the expected sales of a game, only for devastation to follow when numbers fall short of that new baseline.
Oh, it yet lives. I definitely still see this sometimes.
It was ubiquitous. I recall some industry talking head (gaming journalist, I think?) on an E3 stream going on about how this isn't what Retro should be working on and how bad it was and how he couldn't even remember the title of the insignificant thing right after it was announced -- which really just made me question how he was doing this job in the first place.
I've never thought it seemed that out of place, but I always had it figured as a mix of Mario and Zelda.
Maybe this is less common of knowledge than I thought. Warioland needs an inglorious return.
To be fair, I've seen enough people who seem convinced Xenoblade has, itself, among the highest franchise familiarity, so maybe they don't get the whole implication.
Get out of here with this bloomin' Pikmin nonsense.
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Yeah, Retro had this weird thing about totally recreating the wheel. There was no reason for them to redesign the look of items like the Wave Beam or Varia Suit in Prime, they're the only ones to ever do this when those items otherwise have looked the same in every game for decades and are on screen for like a second per playthrough, but they did anyway. That sort of philosophy extends to basically every aspect of their takes on each series.
Damn, and another one lost. Lol. I thought I finally found someone with the same DKC perspective. Though your thoughts are mostly the same as mine, so maybe it's just wording semantics. For me while I think TF is pretty good, it's definitely not great. It's a game that's worse than the sum of its parts somehow, and I don't really know why. I just don't love it even after I finished it not too long ago.
. It has unique level themes . It has a great soundtrack . All true and valid reasons to love it of course, but it never really comes together for me. The movement is so much worse than the SNES games because it takes way too much inspiration from platformers like Mario where physics and momentum can easily fuck up what you're trying to do. It doesn't really work for DK's weight or country's level design. There's a lot of contradictory design choices that just seem terrible that I'm surprised more people don't complain about, like how collecting stuff is emphasized more in the levels than in the Rare games, but also makes you stop more to do it (for example the banana "puzzles" where you have to stop and collect them in the air). DK's strong suit is just how responsive the controls are and how fast paced decision making is despite DK being a lumbering giant, yet Tropical Freeze feels like it's all about start-and-stop gameplay where you just pause what you're doing every 10 seconds. It's bizarre. And then there's the bosses and rocket sections, which are amazingly designed and very intricate but are so overly long and hard that they quickly become tedious. I want other platformers to copy Tropical Freeze's boss design playbook, but without the masochism.
Wait, I'm confused. You just mean the look of the item pickups themselves, right? 'Cuz Retro's Varia Suit itself is more faithful to Metroid 2 / Super than the ugly (imo) Other M and Samus Returns ones we got from Team Ninja and MercurySteam.
I think most agree that secret design and the bosses are the weakest parts of Tropical Freeze. They cut way down on the background stuff to prod at from Returns, but it's still not a terribly fun mechanic compared to like hitting blocks or something. But it's also of reduced importance from the old games and 100% optional because the collectibles that unlock levels are now out in the open and grabbed by platforming. Except for the secret exits I guess, those suck ass.Damn, and another one lost. Lol. I thought I finally found someone with the same DKC perspective. Though your thoughts are mostly the same as mine, so maybe it's just wording semantics. For me while I think TF is pretty good, it's definitely not great. It's a game that's worse than the sum of its parts somehow, and I don't really know why. I just don't love it even after I finished it not too long ago.
For me a lot of the time people describe what they like about the game it's almost like someone reading a paper on objectively good game design rather than reasons for it actually being fun. It has variety
Yeah, the pickups themselves. I do think they look worse personally, I think the little creatures holding orbs for the beams are cool looking, but it was just an example of how even the tiniest things that there was no reason to mess with were changed.
uh varia suit has way more drastic design changes in the 2d games, prime games have kept the same varia suit since prime 2
You mean the chozo statues holding the orbs? fusion and most of dread's items lack those as well, I'm not seeing your point here
Based on these criticisms I wouldn't write off 2 and 3. While mobility doesn't really improve much, the killing machine/backtracking is addressed somewhat. 2 does have a bit of colour coordination but it's not nearly as exhausting as 1 and there is an upgrade that makes it irrelevant (but then there's the ammo situation (still my favourite in spite of that)). The regions are more interconnected and there is fast travel late in the game. 3 kinda does away with both, beams stack and you do get that killing machine feel towards the end and there are multiple landing sites for each planet, so not interconnected as such but not as much of a pain when backtracking.
oh i see, item icon deviations are still far less than what fusion and dread did to classic design elements
I mean these things, the actual items you pick up, like the Screw Attack.
I don't mind the design changes for beams or other items, they feel like a natural translation to 3D, I think the little creatures holding a letter may have looked a little strange. That being said just using the screw attack symbol for the suits was a missed opportunity, those pickups would have translated well and I'm curious what unique designs the Dark and Light suits could have had.
I mean these things, the actual items you pick up, like the Screw Attack.
Please
Yikes. They'll definitely need to update this, and especially the nightmarish ZSS look at the end.I hope they at least use the same face reflection from MPR. The MP2 one hasn't aged well
With the way Nintendo has been going this generation, MP4 will have Samus puking moneyHonestly seeing Samus puking Phazon in Corruption was one of the most metal things in a nintendo game, ever. Im really interested how MP4 will push the boundaries in that aspect lol.
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