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I honestly don't see ToTK having a massive impact on hardware sales. It's a direct sequel to BoTW, so how many people who want to play it don't already own a Switch and a copy of BoTW? Maybe the 5 Wii U owners who haven't bought a Switch yet? There'll surely be some kind of bump, between people buying the special edition, and maybe some people who have sold their Switch in the intervening years or whatever. I don't see it being anywhere near "most of the units this year", though.

As a point of comparison, when Pokemon Scarlet and Violet launched last November, it was the fastest selling Nintendo title in history. It had very little impact on hardware sales, though. Almost every region saw hardware sales drop by about 25% YoY in the last quarter of 2022. In Japan, where we have week-by-week data, the bump was pretty modest, with hardware sales up 70K from the previous week, but still very much in line with typical sales for the same week in previous years.

As Switch reaches market saturation, the days of huge hardware sales figures when major games are released are long past. There's still a lot of people interested in buying Switch software, but almost all of them already own a Switch by this stage.

Exactly this, it won’t shift huge numbers of consoles but it will be the only title this year that could push more OG Switch sales and I think Nintendo know this. They’ll see Zelda as trying to ring out the last few sales they can from OG Switch before they then move their focus onto the future and Switch Next.
 
Wouldn't their stocks drop, in that case? I don't think Nintendo's been all this stuff about "uncharted territory" for nothing; the relative silence is still telling, we just don't know what.

Most likely because it would weed out those looking for a buy and sell. That's not the investor they care about and I'd wager 70% of them are "loyal" with their stocks. They know how Nintendo does and while they raise their voice every now and then they hold their investment.

You sound like the type of investor I'd rather Nintendo not pay attention to. We've had enough Blue Ocean, give us more Red Waterfall.

That is fair enough lol but that's how the investment game goes.
I don't think aiming for a spring launch is necessarily a bad move and there are plenty of advantages to it. Firstly, if there are potential supply constrains you don't have the casual audience competing with enthusiasts to get one during the holiday period since the enthusiasts will likely already own one. Secondly, you can increase value proposition of an upgrade by having an established software library built up over the better half of a year while letting each title still have its own full marketing cycle. Thirdly, you can expand the appeal of some more niche IPs, especially more graphically demanding ones such as the metroid prime series.

Your first point is a big piece of this puzzle and that would lend itself to any launch period. Be it Holiday 23, Spring 24, Fall 24, etc. We just don't have that information unfortunately. I keep close tabs on Nvidia, TSMC, Samsung, Intel, and other Semiconductor production companies and supply seems to be getting progressively better. Its also possible that the US chips act passed last year will affect this with Intel, Micron, and Samsung all building new fabs here in the US. I need to check but I think one or two of those fabs are coming online in late 2023/early 2024 (Adds to your point about launching 2024) . Your second and third point however can happen regardless of launch period. You can have full marketing cycles and niche releases among them even during a holiday 2023 launch.
 
Wouldn't their stocks drop, in that case? I don't think Nintendo's been all this stuff about "uncharted territory" for nothing; the relative silence is still telling, we just don't know what.
It’s entirely dependent but we’ve seen even with record breaking profit, shares will still drop. Nintendo investors are mostly kept happy since Nintendo does a lot to keep them happy. More often then not those who have been in the game this long understand what they are getting into with Nintendo.
 
H1 2024 honestly doesn't make sense because it would jeopardize their H2 2023 Switch sales. The only reason they were OK doing this last time was because 3DS was on its dying breath and Wii U had bombed, so they weren't losing anything in the cross fire.

This time? Switch is still selling and its their only revenue stream on the hardware side. Software is also dwindling down and although Zelda will sell, it will never reach what BOTW reached. Due to market saturation, this year is bound to be Switch's worst one yet, but it will still sell. And what will Nintendo do about it? Will they announce Switch 2 and cut even more into those sales with the system only landing next year? Or will they announce the system for this end of year?
 
It’s entirely dependent but we’ve seen even with record breaking profit, shares will still drop. Nintendo investors are mostly kept happy since Nintendo does a lot to keep them happy. More often then not those who have been in the game this long understand what they are getting into with Nintendo.

This. We see drops during record breaking profit "announcements" due to the old strategy of "Buy the rumor, Sell the news". Its the previously mentioned investors whom are in it for a quick turn around profit. Funnily enough, Now is the optimal time to buy if history repeats itself.
 
In addition to the seemingly empty 2023 H2, a significant chunk of 2023 H1 has been stuff nintendo was sitting on for a while and could have released in 2022 (Engage, Prime Remaster, Gameboy/Advance NSO, Advance Wars*)

Are there any rumors of that or just speculation?
Mainly speculation based on:
  • How well Odyssey sold
  • How long it's been since a fully sized Mario 3D game
  • Bowser's Fury being speculated as a test run for doing and much more open world 3D mario
 
The current environment is "does REDACTED exist? Was it cancelled? And what percentage of the fan base is actively upset at the idea of moving on? What the hell would it's launch title be, and will it be cross-gen, and if it is, will we bother buying the new thing?"
I think you've neatly summarised why Nintendo seem so uncertain about how to handle the next system. I wonder if Nintendo think they are actually jinxed when it comes to following up successful systems?
 
H1 2024 honestly doesn't make sense because it would jeopardize their H2 2023 Switch sales. The only reason they were OK doing this last time was because 3DS was on its dying breath and Wii U had bombed, so they weren't losing anything in the cross fire.

This time? Switch is still selling and its their only revenue stream on the hardware side. Software is also dwindling down and although Zelda will sell, it will never reach what BOTW reached. Due to market saturation, this year is bound to be Switch's worst one yet, but it will still sell. And what will Nintendo do about it? Will they announce Switch 2 and cut even more into those sales with the system only landing next year? Or will they announce the system for this end of year?
simple answer would be they don't see holiday 2023 sales as worthwhile over system launch sales. sure the Switch is still selling well, but it's still a 7th holiday. there's a tipping point before a new system launch is worth more, and they might feel the time is now, and I would agree with that. Zelda being the last major hurrah would reflect that and they'll just let the Drake hype coast them to launch
 
Im one of those that doesnt own a switch, want one, but doesnt have the money to buy one now and get the next gen even if its being released next year.

For me the next gen is going to be released mid 2024. Why? Because I think they will try to squeeze the switch one last time for xmas and that would mean no info till Jan-Feb of next year, as ppl that doesnt own a switch by this time are not going to invest it in an "old" model(im talking about the base oled switch, not special ones) if they get info that a new on is being released 6 months after. There is a game that im waiting for the switch that is TBA and was announced like 2 years ago -> its Genshin Impact(i play it on phone and PC), this game not being released was the first flag of the hardware being at the end of its life for me, as this particular game kills 2021 flagship phones(tested it in a S21 phone and you could fry an egg on it + having big drops of fps). There are a ton of new games i want to play but im betting on nintendo giving us BC.

What i hope is that im wrong and nintendo drops the bomb of a new model for xmas this year(which means we will have to kill each other for pre sell and praying the release models dont have problems at release)
 
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simple answer would be they don't see holiday 2023 sales as worthwhile over system launch sales. sure the Switch is still selling well, but it's still a 7th holiday. there's a tipping point before a new system launch is worth more, and they might feel the time is now, and I would agree with that. Zelda being the last major hurrah would reflect that and they'll just let the Drake hype coast them to launch
This line of thought makes sense but in that case why not ensure the best of both worlds by releasing it this year and capturing all the Thanksgiving & Christmas sales?
 
There's a non negligible chance, and that's a euphemism, that Nintendo will not be able to satisfy demand for a new console whether it releases late 2023 (scenario 1) or early 2024 (scenario 2).
In both scenarios, they will sell everything that they will produce. In scenario 2 however, they still manage to squeeze a bit of juice out of their old machine during the holidays 2023.

I'm voting for scenario 2.
 
There's a non negligible chance, and that's a euphemism, that Nintendo will not be able to satisfy demand for a new console whether it releases late 2023 (scenario 1) or early 2024 (scenario 2).
In both scenarios, they will sell everything that they will produce. In scenario 2 however, they still manage to squeeze a bit of juice out of their old machine during the holidays 2023.

I'm voting for scenario 2.
Ever heard the question: Is the juice worth the squeeze?
 
As of 2nd of April 2021, the following games which Nintendo were involved in publishing had been announced:

New Pokémon Snap, Miitopia, Famicom Detective Club: The Missing Heir, Famicom Detective Club: The Girl Who Stands Behind, DC Super Hero Girls: Teen Power, Mario Golf: Super Rush, The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword HD, Splatoon 3, Bayonetta 3, The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, Metroid Prime 4, Shin Megami Tensei V, Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, Pokémon Legends Arceus, Triangle Strategy

Out of those, four were released in the first half of 2021, five in the second half of 2021, and the remaining 6 in 2022 or later.

Here's the equivalent list for 2nd April 2023:

Advance Wars 1 + 2: Re-Boot Camp, The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, Pikmin 4, Metroid Prime 4

Currently we have two games to release in the first half of 2023, one in the second half, and one with a big question mark next to it.



I'm aware Nintendo have a long history of announcing games mid-year and releasing them within the following 6 months. My point was that they haven't been doing so exclusively. They've always mixed in a smattering of games announced further in advance. Announcing some of your games less than 6 months before release is one thing, announcing all of your games less than 6 months before release is something different, and that seems to be what's happening for some reason.

I also wouldn't say that it means new hardware is absolutely coming this year. As @oldpuck pointed out, the very fact that it's unprecedented means we can't make definitive conclusions from it, as there aren't any precedents to draw from. I personally think that releasing (or at least announcing) new hardware in the second half of the year would be a good reason why Nintendo has stopped announcing new Switch games more than a few months in advance. There are possibly other equally good explanations too.

But the question was about H2 2021 games that we knew about on 1 April 2021. So from your list that only leaves Skyward Sword HD, Pokémon Diamond & Pearl and SMT V (which is first party only in Europe). For 2023 we currently have Pikmin 4, and possibly Fantasy Life in Europe and/or North America.

So in that sense them keeping their 2nd half of the year so secret isn't new. But what we can say is that Nintendo has been shortening the time between games being announced and being released.

Since the Feb 2021 Direct, every game announced has come out less than a year later (with the exception of Advance Wars for obvious reasons).

So the situation we're in now hasn't been caused by Nintendo suddenly becoming secretive, but because they have been secretive for a long time now.

Fair enough, but (and I don't mean to move the goalpost) I'm still not convinced that this is business as usual for Nintendo, as we still lack that first-party hook for 2H.
On Nintendo's side it is a bit quieter than usual yes, but as I said above they have been keepig things clsoer to their chest for a while now.
 
Ever heard the question: Is the juice worth the squeeze?

I'm simplifying of course, but in both cases, Nintendo will sell all of their ReDrakted consoles produced for the first 18 months of its life. But I see three upsides by releasing it in 2024:
1. Selling more consoles as a whole as they would still be pushing a fair number of OLED switch during the Christmas period of 2023.

2. Having more ReDrakted on release which could help curbing scalping.

3. Making me right on the internet as if you hadn't noticed, Nintendo likes me and never misses a chance to prove me right.

The only downside which I see is that they'd have to store their consoles (or parts) for a bit longer, which costs money. I believe that the extra sales of the very profitable OG Switch during Christmas 2023 would be more than enough to offset that cost, but I have obviously nothing to support such claim. It's up to Nintendo to calculate what is going to make them dough, and I believe that the balance tilts towards the scenario where they not only sell all of their new machines, but also a few more millions of their old machine.
 
I'm simplifying of course, but in both cases, Nintendo will sell all of their ReDrakted consoles produced for the first 18 months of its life. But I see three upsides by releasing it in 2024:
1. Selling more consoles as a whole as they would still be pushing a fair number of OLED switch during the Christmas period of 2023.

2. Having more ReDrakted on release which could help curbing scalping.

3. Making me right on the internet as if you hadn't noticed, Nintendo likes me and never misses a chance to prove me right.

The only downside which I see is that they'd have to store their consoles (or parts) for a bit longer, which costs money. I believe that the extra sales of the very profitable OG Switch during Christmas 2023 would be more than enough to offset that cost, but I have obviously nothing to support such claim. It's up to Nintendo to calculate what is going to make them dough, and I believe that the balance tilts towards the scenario where they not only sell all of their new machines, but also a few more millions of their old machine.
I think that the only way Nintendo could recoup those costs through the holidays in this scenario would be to have a consistent flow of games through that period, being helmed by a marquis, system seller title. In this scenario, I can see them releasing a few remasters, Metroid Prime 4, and a 2D/3D Mario leading the way. I feel that, even if they were to reveal the [REDACTED] during the fall, the Switch would still sell well enough to where it wouldn't be overshadowed. (Not that I see this happening, mind you. Still betting my Famicoins on 2023, after all 😉)
 
But the question was about H2 2021 games that we knew about on 1 April 2021. So from your list that only leaves Skyward Sword HD, Pokémon Diamond & Pearl and SMT V (which is first party only in Europe). For 2023 we currently have Pikmin 4, and possibly Fantasy Life in Europe and/or North America.

So in that sense them keeping their 2nd half of the year so secret isn't new. But what we can say is that Nintendo has been shortening the time between games being announced and being released.

Since the Feb 2021 Direct, every game announced has come out less than a year later (with the exception of Advance Wars for obvious reasons).

So the situation we're in now hasn't been caused by Nintendo suddenly becoming secretive, but because they have been secretive for a long time now.


On Nintendo's side it is a bit quieter than usual yes, but as I said above they have been keepig things clsoer to their chest for a while now.
But, what I want to know is if that's really necessary or beneficial for them when their current system is declining.
 
I would say that they already are, by Nintendo's standards. And they don't seem to feel much urgency in convincing us to buy a switch.
listening to Reggie's book about his career, he did mention in passing special editions were pretty much the last thing they tried with the Wii / DS prior to moving on. And we've come to the end of the road with special editions, outside of a potential Metroid Prim 4 SE Switch for which still doesn'th ave a date. All the signs are there that they will be transitioning to a new console.

I'm not sure what's so hard for people to grasp that.
 
Since the Feb 2021 Direct, every game announced has come out less than a year later (with the exception of Advance Wars for obvious reasons).
In the Feb 2021 direct, Splatoon 3 came out 19 months later.

In the E3 2021 direct, Zelda was dated for "2022" is still not out.

In the September 2021 Direct, Bayonetta was dated for 2022, and released 13 months later.
 
I wonder what effect the Mario movie, if successful, will have on switch hardware sales

There’s always a ton of birthdays every year where this is a new system to someone despite being on the market for so long
 
I wonder what effect the Mario movie, if successful, will have on switch hardware sales

There’s always a ton of birthdays every year where this is a new system to someone despite being on the market for so long
probably a noticeable bump, but it'd be bigger on software. April NPD Circana will be interesting regardless
 
But, what I want to know is if that's really necessary or beneficial for them when their current system is declining.
People know of several first and third party games that wil be released in the coming months. I think the number of hardware sales lost from people looking only at Nintendo's current H2 announced lineup and deciding it is sparse is pretty low. A lack of H2 games announced now doesn't matter too much, becuase by the time we get to H2 more games will have been announced.
In the Feb 2021 direct, Splatoon 3 came out 19 months later.

In the E3 2021 direct, Zelda was dated for "2022" is still not out.

In the September 2021 Direct, Bayonetta was dated for 2022, and released 13 months later.
Splatoon 3 is why I said "since the Feb 2021 direct". Both BOTW2 and Bayonetta 3 were announced before the Feb Direct.
 
For the record, if Nintendo announces hardware for H1 2024, let’s assume March if it’s for this new FY, the holiday this year will be bleak relative to their previous sales numbers of the previous years.

If they announce it for this year, the switch sales will still be pretty bleak, relatively speaking. A whole new console that can play the same games as the previous consoles and presumably has all the goodies plus guarantee of more games for years, vs a cheaper bundled offer that is at EOL :p


They’ll lose sales regardless if they get it out this year vs early next year.
 
For the record, if Nintendo announces hardware for H1 2024, let’s assume March if it’s for this new FY, the holiday this year will be bleak relative to their previous sales numbers of the previous years.

If they announce it for this year, the switch sales will still be pretty bleak, relatively speaking. A whole new console that can play the same games as the previous consoles and presumably has all the goodies plus guarantee of more games for years, vs a cheaper bundled offer that is at EOL :p


They’ll lose sales regardless if they get it out this year vs early next year.
Which is why this year would be more ideal, as they can reap that sweet holiday revenue, regardless if the Switch's sales are low.
 
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Incidentally, as a point of comparison, at the start of April 2016, when Wii U was on its last legs prior to the announcement of the Switch, Nintendo had exactly four games announced for the Wii U
With all this info, I think I'm quite convinced now Switch 2 is coming Mar '24.

Wii U Apr '16 only had 4 games announced. PS4 slim released in Sep '16. Switch released months later in Mar '17.

Switch Apr '23 only has 4 games announced. PS5 slim strongly rumoured to release in Sep '23. Switch 2 releases months later in Mar '24.

I'm ready.
 
But the question was about H2 2021 games that we knew about on 1 April 2021. So from your list that only leaves Skyward Sword HD, Pokémon Diamond & Pearl and SMT V (which is first party only in Europe). For 2023 we currently have Pikmin 4, and possibly Fantasy Life in Europe and/or North America.

So in that sense them keeping their 2nd half of the year so secret isn't new. But what we can say is that Nintendo has been shortening the time between games being announced and being released.

Since the Feb 2021 Direct, every game announced has come out less than a year later (with the exception of Advance Wars for obvious reasons).

So the situation we're in now hasn't been caused by Nintendo suddenly becoming secretive, but because they have been secretive for a long time now.

Obviously it's not a case of Nintendo suddenly becoming secretive, but it's been within the last year or so that they've really begun to wind down announcements. In 2021, there were three games which Nintendo had a hand in publishing which were announced for release more than a year away: Splatoon 3, Triangle Strategy and Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope. That's pretty typical compared to previous years. By the end of June 2021, there were five games that had been announced during the year for release in 2022. At the same time in 2022, there were zero games that had been announced for 2023.

Another way we can look at it is the average time from announcement to release. For games announced prior to 2021, this comes to an average of 277 days by my calculations. For games announced in 2021, it's 240d. A bit lower, but not massively so. In games announced in 2022, it dropped significantly to 163d. For 2023 so far it's actually zero days, although that's obviously a small sample size of just one game. If Nintendo announce a handful of games in June for release by the end of the year, the average time to release would probably be around 100d for games announced this year. There's only so low they can go with this until they get to the point where there are times between Directs where there's not a single game on Nintendo's public roadmap.

People know of several first and third party games that wil be released in the coming months. I think the number of hardware sales lost from people looking only at Nintendo's current H2 announced lineup and deciding it is sparse is pretty low. A lack of H2 games announced now doesn't matter too much, becuase by the time we get to H2 more games will have been announced.

Again, it's really not about H2, it's about the lack of games on the roadmap full stop. It's not a co-incidence that the games Nintendo decides to announce early are titles like Zelda, Bayonetta and Metroid Prime. Having those games on the roadmap and putting out an occasional teaser trailer conveys to "core" gamers that it's a platform worth investing in, or staying invested in, because there are good things coming. Having almost nothing on the roadmap gives the impression that there's almost nothing coming, which many people may be inclined to believe given the age of the console. It might not make a big difference to a casual audience who are just looking at the games right in front of them, but I can see a lot of people in that "core" audience giving up on Switch after finishing ToTK. After all, if the only two games left on the docket are a Pikmin game you may or may not be interested in, and a Metroid game which may or may not come out this decade, I wouldn't blame people for deciding it's time to just sell their Switch and buy a PS5 instead.
 
With all this info, I think I'm quite convinced now Switch 2 is coming Mar '24.

Wii U Apr '16 only had 4 games announced. PS4 slim released in Sep '16. Switch released months later in Mar '17.

Switch Apr '23 only has 4 games announced. PS5 slim strongly rumoured to release in Sep '23. Switch 2 releases months later in Mar '24.

I'm ready.

Switch only released then due to a delay. Holiday 2023 is very much the appropriate time for this to be released and the only way this has been delayed is if come July or September with directs, no announcement at all has been made and insider's all manage to source information pertaining to the fact a definite delay of the console has occurred.

I just don't know why early next year would be an active goal for them to release a brand new console without a delay, Black Friday, Christmas, Boxing Day and New Year's, that's peak sales right there.

Are we expecting the Easter Bunny to carry sales around Easter period next year? March to May 2024 is just way too strange for me without it being a forced choice due to unforeseen circumstances.
 
With all this info, I think I'm quite convinced now Switch 2 is coming Mar '24.

Wii U Apr '16 only had 4 games announced. PS4 slim released in Sep '16. Switch released months later in Mar '17.

Switch Apr '23 only has 4 games announced. PS5 slim strongly rumoured to release in Sep '23. Switch 2 releases months later in Mar '24.

I'm ready.
Not sure if you're joking, but the circumstances are quite different this time around.
 
Switch only released then due to a delay. Holiday 2023 is very much the appropriate time for this to be released and the only way this has been delayed is if come July or September with directs, no announcement at all has been made and insider's all manage to source information pertaining to the fact a definite delay of the console has occurred.

I just don't know why early next year would be an active goal for them to release a brand new console without a delay, Black Friday, Christmas, Boxing Day and New Year's, that's peak sales right there.

Are we expecting the Easter Bunny to carry sales around Easter period next year? March to May 2024 is just way too strange for me without it being a forced choice due to unforeseen circumstances.
Peak sales timeframe is only important to the family demographic and if you can manufacture enough units. Just like everything else these will be supply constrained, so launching in March or October will yield the same results - sell outs.
 
Peak sales timeframe is only important to the family demographic and if you can manufacture enough units. Just like everything else these will be supply constrained, so launching in March or October will yield the same results - sell outs.
Nah, October will inherently yield better results by virtue of being near the holiday.
 
Have we considered that the Switch hasn't seen a notable price drop yet? Even with a weaker holiday software line up and no new hardware a price cut would be really beneficial against PS5s and Xboxs with their huge asking prices, even with Spider-Man 2 and Starfield. For half the cost of a PS5 get a console that can play Mario Kart, BOTW and TOTK, the hot new Pokémon DLC and so on.

As far as the successor dropping H1 2024 like the switch, someone mentioned it but the switch is an exception not the rule. If I had to place bets I would take Holiday 2024 for the successor its the only window that feels logical to me I just don't see 2023 as a guarantee or even all that likely. Maybe like a 15% chance.

They could very realistically coast for another 18 or so months with all the rumored niche titles from F-Zero, to Donkey Kong, the Wii U Zeldas, Kid Icarus, DLCs, etc. That's also ignoring they could spend these next 18 months releasing Nintendo Selects titles from the last 6 years at a discounted rate.

There's also the global economy to consider. If they could stockpile a little longer to meet demand in September-December of 2024 while lowering the cost of entry to the current switch, I wouldn't blame them lol.
 
For Namco, it might be too late for 3 of the 4 Namco originals (Tekken 7, SC6, Ace Combat 8) but that recent Tales of Arise trademark suggest that ToA might head to Switch rather than the successor. Don't forget, namco late ports sometimes take longer than 2 years. Successor should get Tekken 8 and the next Tales game.
It is extremely unlikely that Tales of Arise will get a Switch port.
If it does get a Switch port, it will obviously be a bad port like SAO Alicization Lycoris.

It would be more reasonable to make it a [REDACTED] exclusive and make it a launch title.
Trademark is likely an anime or sequel, not a Switch port.
 
It is extremely unlikely that Tales of Arise will get a Switch port.
If it does get a Switch port, it will obviously be a bad port like SAO Alicization Lycoris.

It would be more reasonable to make it a [REDACTED] exclusive and make it a launch title.
Trademark is likely an anime or sequel, not a Switch port.
They literally said they're not planning an anime and someone at reddit pointed out that anime trademarks are co owned with the anime studio. Trademark is for Europe and definitely video game related. Either and improved version or a non-canon sequel like ToS Dawn of the New World. Both can be Switch titles.

Nothing is unlikely about an Arise Switch port. It's not that demanding game and Namco just released a cheap Tales port to check if the fans still there. And since it's been more than 2 years, it could be one of Namco's better Switch ports.
 
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Have we considered that the Switch hasn't seen a notable price drop yet? Even with a weaker holiday software line up and no new hardware a price cut would be really beneficial against PS5s and Xboxs with their huge asking prices, even with Spider-Man 2 and Starfield. For half the cost of a PS5 get a console that can play Mario Kart, BOTW and TOTK, the hot new Pokémon DLC and so on.

As far as the successor dropping H1 2024 like the switch, someone mentioned it but the switch is an exception not the rule. If I had to place bets I would take Holiday 2024 for the successor its the only window that feels logical to me I just don't see 2023 as a guarantee or even all that likely. Maybe like a 15% chance.

They could very realistically coast for another 18 or so months with all the rumored niche titles from F-Zero, to Donkey Kong, the Wii U Zeldas, Kid Icarus, DLCs, etc. That's also ignoring they could spend these next 18 months releasing Nintendo Selects titles from the last 6 years at a discounted rate.

There's also the global economy to consider. If they could stockpile a little longer to meet demand in September-December of 2024 while lowering the cost of entry to the current switch, I wouldn't blame them lol.

IMO they're waiting til next hardware arrives as a price cut right now would demand then to produce a large scale of Switch to support the market until the [REDACTED] comes
 
With all this info, I think I'm quite convinced now Switch 2 is coming Mar '24.

Wii U Apr '16 only had 4 games announced. PS4 slim released in Sep '16. Switch released months later in Mar '17.

Switch Apr '23 only has 4 games announced. PS5 slim strongly rumoured to release in Sep '23. Switch 2 releases months later in Mar '24.

I'm ready.
Were you expecting it to come in like 2025???
 
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Have we considered that the Switch hasn't seen a notable price drop yet?

There's also the global economy to consider.
Not cutting the price during record inflation is effectively a price cut, especially when your competitors are all raising their price.

There is no way to cut the price of the bare Switch without cutting into Lite and OLED sales, and you can’t cut the whole line without severely cutting profit because of inflation.

What you can do is bundle - which is exactly what Nintendo is doing. When you give away the single most popular game on your console - the one that’s still full price and 50% of all customers buy - that’s a price cut in all but name.

Nintendo doesn’t need to cut the price of Switch, demand is not price limited.
 
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Re the Mario Kart stuff... I think Nintendo can walk and chew gum at the same time. If throwing effort at Mario Kart Tour was keeping them from producing the next of Their Very Biggest Console Series, someone has been making enormously stupid decisions and doing nothing to ameliorate them for years going.
I'm pretty tech illiterate, but that sounds impractical. From what I understand, the dock holds a lot of the Switch's power, so I'm not sure if a forward compatible dock is feasible. Cross-gen might be the best bet for those who are hesitant to upgrade.
The dock basically provides power and accepts a video signal in return. Theoretically all kinds of things could be made to plug into the existing docks, within those limits of how much power it can supply and how much of a video signal it can handle--and of course shape.
The game sold 25m copies, has a 97 Metacritic, and its devs have not released a game in 5.5 years.

That's the whole thing.
0 Mario platformers having a direct or numbered sequel coming more than 3 years after the previous is also a thing.
Nah, October will inherently yield better results by virtue of being near the holiday.
Can't sell more than 100%.

In the end might have a small positive impact on software sales, though, since a portion of the userbase would simply own their system for more time.
 
Switch only released then due to a delay. Holiday 2023 is very much the appropriate time for this to be released and the only way this has been delayed is if come July or September with directs, no announcement at all has been made and insider's all manage to source information pertaining to the fact a definite delay of the console has occurred.

I just don't know why early next year would be an active goal for them to release a brand new console without a delay, Black Friday, Christmas, Boxing Day and New Year's, that's peak sales right there.

Are we expecting the Easter Bunny to carry sales around Easter period next year? March to May 2024 is just way too strange for me without it being a forced choice due to unforeseen circumstances.
I do hope it's released this holiday.

About Mar '24, maybe Nintendo looked at the Switch release success and wants a repeat. Maybe they want to ride this financial year to get rid of as many Switches as possible.

Not sure if you're joking, but the circumstances are quite different this time around.
Not joking no. Just saw similarities and drew a conclusion.

Were you expecting it to come in like 2025???
I actually always expected it to release Mar '24, but hoping for a nice surprise release holiday '23.
 
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I’ve seen some people talking about the idea of Nintendo releasing upgrade patches of OG Switch games for the Switch 2.

That just seems very unNintendo.

They don’t typically do extra work unless they can make extra money. I don’t see them doing anything like that unless the Switch 2 sells real poorly and they want to make customers happy.

I think they’ll either they won’t do anything and you can just play through backwards compatibility (maybe with a bit of a boost mode).

Or they’ll upgrade it, but sell you the game again.

I really doubt they’ll just give free upgrade patches. Sony doesn’t really do that and I doubt Nintendo would…
 

So this is that DeNA + Nintendo company stuff for the new account system, seems they are ramping up and we should start hearing more details over the next couple months, this is the sort of thing you see during a transition period too, moving on to the new account features that many will expect with new hardware coming within the next 12 months.
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Thanks for keeping us updated. I think this makes sense given the timing of mass production is the next 2 to 6 months, if it's just colors/patterns, it is something that can be resolved in a matter of weeks. I expect mass production to start sometime this summer (June-September) and release within our 5 month window, likely end of this calendar year, but February or even March 1st is possible... I doubt December or January are viable months to launch hardware, so we are really just talking about late October/November, Feb or very eary March. This is also the only timeframe that works with the Pokemon leaker, who while not confirmed, is probably the strongest source for a launch before next FY.
 
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