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Discussion The Super Mario Bros. Movie will not get a Rotten Tomatoes score above 70%. Who will make an avatar bet about that?

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I'm not participating, but is it normal that scores on rotten tomatoes aren't that high? I almost never watch movies and stuff, so I don't pay much attention to these aggregate scores outside of gaming and tech.
 
Ahmed said:
I'm not participating, but is it normal that scores on rotten tomatoes aren't that high? I almost never watch movies and stuff, so I don't pay much attention to these aggregate scores outside of gaming and tech.
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Movie critics really aren't like game reviewers. Where in games, you just need the game to work properly like 25% of the time to get a 70/100 and above. Movie critics take the question a bit more literally of "did you like the movie".
 
Lozjam said:
Movie critics really aren't like game reviewers. Where in games, you just need the game to work properly like 25% of the time to get a 70/100 and above. Movie critics take the question a bit more literally of "did you like the movie".
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I see, thanks for explaining!
 
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It's somewhat curious, even Metacritic's scale is different for movies, a green Metascore starts at 61 for movies/shows/music, while it becomes green only at 75 for games https://www.metacritic.com/about-metascores

They mention it on their FAQ:

WHY IS THE BREAKDOWN OF GREEN, YELLOW, AND RED SCORES DIFFERENT FOR GAMES?

The reason for this special treatment for games has to do with the games publications themselves. Virtually all of the publications we use as sources for game reviews (a) assign scores on a 0-100 scale (or equivalent) to their reviews, and (b) are very explicit about what those scores mean. And these publications are almost unanimous in indicating that scores below 50 indicate a negative review, while it usually takes a score in the upper 70s or higher to indicate that the game is unequivocally good. This is markedly different from movies, TV or music, where a score of, say, 3 stars out of 5 (which translates to a 60 out of 100 on our site) can still indicate that a movie is worth seeing or an album is worth buying. Thus, we had to adjust our color-coding for games to account for the different meaning of games scores compared to scores for music, movies and TV.
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not betting but I think it will break 70. Rotten Tomatoes aggregates have included more dork reviewers in recent years to inflate the averages of IP schlock
 
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Team Below

I'll still see it no matter what, though. Gotta do my part to get a Metroid adaptation.
 
OP should do a "Below" Tier list and "Above" Tier list, people within the winner tier receive an special prize from Fami.

The people within the tier further from the actual score receive perma ban and feather and tarring
 
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@frog some evidence circulating that social media impressions go up April 1st 10:30PM EST. Reviews are the 4th.

Want to make a cutoff before then?
 
I'm going to be honest: I don't get the appeal of avatar bets and would much rather do real bets (with money). Avatar bets don't have any good outcomes (either I have to have an annoying avatar or someone else does).
 
GamerJM said:
I'm going to be honest: I don't get the appeal of avatar bets and would much rather do real bets (with money). Avatar bets don't have any good outcomes (either I have to have an annoying avatar or someone else does).
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...We need to develop a way to wager famicoins...
 
Not taking part in the bet myself, but I'll be ecstatic if it gets above a 70.

Dunno how much stock ViewerAnon has, but they said this on the BoxOfficeTheory forums:

I haven't seen it yet but the response I've heard from critic friends is that it's fun but thin - this ain't gonna be a 95% RT movie
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Another user claimed they had seen it, and didn't like it - but ultimately said it was a harmless film.

So yeah, I think it'll be tight!
 
JR436 said:
Not taking part in the bet myself, but I'll be ecstatic if it gets above a 70.

Dunno how much stock ViewerAnon has, but they said this on the BoxOfficeTheory forums:



Another user claimed they had seen it, and didn't like it - but ultimately said it was a harmless film.

So yeah, I think it'll be tight!
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Lol yeah, this is about the response I expected from this, at least from critics (not a slight). So it may be closer than we think!
Gonna still hold on it being mid 70s.
 
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This is an interesting question. I think it will ultimately be "fresh" but maybe not enough to get over 70%. On the other hand, most of the more poorly received Illumination films have been sequels, so maybe this one will receive the benefit of the doubt somewhat.

If I had to guess, I'd probably go with slightly under. Let's see!

EDIT: Not interested in an avatar bet though. I just don't care enough about this movie for that lol
 
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JR436 said:
Not taking part in the bet myself, but I'll be ecstatic if it gets above a 70.

Dunno how much stock ViewerAnon has, but they said this on the BoxOfficeTheory forums:



Another user claimed they had seen it, and didn't like it - but ultimately said it was a harmless film.

So yeah, I think it'll be tight!
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Yeah, the only thing that concerned me (personally) was the user who was lukewarm about it said they used multiple licensed songs. I guess that should be expected, but I thought we might have dodged that bullet.

I still expect a near 80 fresh score. Just seeing all the references and animation for anyone with a Mario attachment (which is probably most everyone) will propel it, even if the movie is typical illumination fare.
 
Skies said:
Yeah, the only thing that concerned me (personally) was the user who was lukewarm about it said they used multiple licensed songs. I guess that should be expected, but I thought we might have dodged that bullet.

I still expect a near 80 fresh score. Just seeing all the references and animation for anyone with a Mario attachment (which is probably most everyone) will propel it, even if the movie is typical illumination fare.
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He later said there was 3 licensed songs.
 
I'm sorry about that. I've seen both with my nephews, and I've always really liked Sonic, though I'm not a fanboy, but I really found it painful to watch. The writing was awful, in my opinion. And my biggest fear is that the Super Mario movie falls so far into facillity. Just because it's partly aimed at children doesn't mean it has to be silly.
 
Mario has often been an avant-garde franchise. It would only be right the first videogame movie to get certified fresh is a Mario movie.
 
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I'm sorry about that. I've seen both with my nephews, and I've always really liked Sonic, though I'm not a fanboy, but I really found it painful to watch. The writing was awful, in my opinion. And my biggest fear is that the Super Mario movie falls so far into facillity. Just because it's partly aimed at children doesn't mean it has to be silly.
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Damn if that's how you feel about the Sonic movies, then how do you feel about Illumination movies. Because those are actually juvenile lol
 
Lord Azrael said:
Damn if that's how you feel about the Sonic movies, then how do you feel about Illumination movies. Because those are actually juvenile lol
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I'm not really a fan of Illumination either, but at least, when they are silly, it's on purpose. Once again, I'm not a hater at all, and I understand the audience targeted here, but the total lack of characterisation and the very poor writing just felt like a sum up of everything we can dislike in the average blockbuster. I love Sonic. I barely cared about that guy during the movies, because nothing in the narrative made me want to empathise.
 
boodream said:
I'm not really a fan of Illumination either, but at least, when they are silly, it's on purpose. Once again, I'm not a hater at all, and I understand the audience targeted here, but the total lack of characterisation and the very poor writing just felt like a sum up of everything we can dislike in the average blockbuster. I love Sonic. I barely cared about that guy during the movies, because nothing in the narrative made me want to empathise.
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If the characterization was your problem with Sonic, I'm not sure Mario will be as bad. Movie Sonic is much younger, much less confident, he acts like a kid, which can feel less relatable to adults. I'm not sure how the Mario movie will pan out critically-wise, but I trust Nintendo being there they will make sure Mario feels like Mario. That is, a very confident and gentle person with a lot of heart, who can be cool as heck, with the only change being him being less competent initially (and possibly insecure at times) than game Mario to give him character growth.
 
boodream said:
I'm not really a fan of Illumination either, but at least, when they are silly, it's on purpose. Once again, I'm not a hater at all, and I understand the audience targeted here, but the total lack of characterisation and the very poor writing just felt like a sum up of everything we can dislike in the average blockbuster. I love Sonic. I barely cared about that guy during the movies, because nothing in the narrative made me want to empathise.
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You know, Sonic movies are not Paul Thomas Anderson or Scorsese , i agree on that, but they are good , simple fun (just my personal opinion). The thing that standout to me in your post is your lack of empathy towards Sonic's character, at least in the first movie. I believe the movie does bring the point home and do a good job about his loneliness and how he overcomes that.

I mean, different strokes and all , just wanted to mention that.
 
I can't stress enough that this is just my personal opinion as well, of course. It has nothing to do with either Scrosese or the intended audience. My point is in fact precisely that there are plenty of popular films aimed at a family audience, especially children, that are both engaging and qualitative productions. I'm not asking for Scorsese, I'm just asking for any Pixar, for example. In comparison, what Illumination does, is at least cartoon-like in spirit, i.e. the tone is assumed, rather well, as absurd.

It's possible to dislike Sonic movies without wanting them to change their target audience, you know. But you are absolutely right, the second film is much worse than the first one. It's just a strange patchwork that vaguely tries to get somewhere with random dialogues.
 
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I can't stress enough that this is just my personal opinion as well, of course. It has nothing to do with either Scrosese or the intended audience. My point is in fact precisely that there are plenty of popular films aimed at a family audience, especially children, that are both engaging and qualitative productions. I'm not asking for Scorsese, I'm just asking for any Pixar, for example. In comparison, what Illumination does, is at least cartoon-like in spirit, i.e. the tone is assumed, rather well, as absurd.

It's possible to dislike Sonic movies without wanting them to change their target audience, you know. But you are absolutely right, the second film is much worse than the first one. It's just a strange patchwork that vaguely tries to get somewhere with random dialogues.
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I personally like when animated movies don't undercut their serious moments. Give me all the comedy you want. But treat your tenseful scenes with an actual sense of tension. I can also take a scene that's semi-serious but in that case, just keep comedy and drama alternating all-scene long, don't abruptly cut a grand epic scene with a joke, or make an actual set-up for the joke and tone shift. Kung Fu Panda 1 and 2 do this very well, they are able to somehow weave drama and comedy with ease, those should be the textbook for doing action-comedies like this movie seems to be marketed as. There's also the subject matter that well, often an animated movie would be way stronger if it went all the way on its themes. The Mario movie's main theme seems to be perseverance, so I hope they take a full advantage of that theme in particular.
 
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JR436 said:
Not taking part in the bet myself, but I'll be ecstatic if it gets above a 70.

Dunno how much stock ViewerAnon has, but they said this on the BoxOfficeTheory forums:



Another user claimed they had seen it, and didn't like it - but ultimately said it was a harmless film.

So yeah, I think it'll be tight!
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I think it'll be a movie kids and Mario fans love but everyone else will be kinda lukewarm to. It'll be no Puss In Boots 2, that's for sure.
 
last call to make a bet, renege on a bet, change sides, etc.

there will be no changes to the list after the social media embargo lifts
 
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70% is doable. Yes, there's the review score drag factor that comes with it being a video game adaptation, but Illumination have beaten 70% before, and the quality does seem to be there. It doesn't look like a cynical cash grab or an obvious "For Kids" movie.

It should just about reach 70%, if not, it'll settle around the 67-69% range. It won't go any higher though.
 
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Sticking firm here on it going below 70. I don't think by much. The high 60s. But certain on not above 70.
 
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I won't be taking part cause I'm feeling really conflicted about where this will land myself. I think in terms of audience reactions it will be a hit but in terms of movie quality it will be more close to the Sonic movies than people think. It certainly won't be a Puss in Boots 2 or anything close to that.

Now in terms of box office that's where I will be bullish. Strong tracking and pre-sales has me wondering if this could be a top 10 debut for an animated movie in the domestic market. I was more conservative on my original estimates for it to gross 600 to 800m globally lifetime, but now I'm adding 200 to both those numbers.
 
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