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StarTopic Donkey Kong Community |ST| No Country For Old Kongs

AngryAlchemist said:
Imagine being a Metroid fan. Couldn't be me!

Not to have a Federation Force moment, but now is absolutely not the time for a Mario & DK platformer. I'm all for weird spin-offs, but, can you imagine if after all this time, we just get another game where Mario is treated like the main star in a spin-off where DK is just the secondary star? Eh, nah.
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If that means something like DK94, and it's at least as good as DK94, I could live with that.
 
AngryAlchemist said:
Not to have a Federation Force moment, but now is absolutely not the time for a Mario & DK platformer. I'm all for weird spin-offs, but, can you imagine if after all this time, we just get another game where Mario is treated like the main star in a spin-off where DK is just the secondary star? Eh, nah.
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Yeah...tbh, this is my least wanted of all those options, and would actually make me worried for the future of the series.

I love DKC for the DKC aspects, I don't want all of that to just be abandoned and DK to just get moved into the Mario series.
 
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DK needs to re-establish itself first before any crossover platforming shenanigans with Mario.

Said shenanigans could be really cool, but time and place y'know?
 
Professor Chops said:
Quality is subjective, but Donkey Kong Country Returns outsold all three Metroid Prime games combined and yet people acted like it was a baffling decision on Retro's part for wanting to take another crack at DKC. The vitriolic reaction to Tropical Freeze’s announcement—and the ensuing conspiracy theories that Iwata "forced" Retro to make it against their will—is possibly the most embarrassing moment in the history of online Nintendo fandom. Can you really blame Retro for not wanting to touch the IP again after that? At least we got New Funky Mode!



Honestly… I agree. I wanted to shed some light on the cancelled game since it was relevant to the discussion, but I should have known better. Certain YouTubers and Nintendo "news" sites like to patrol these forums for potential leaks and distort, misrepresent, and exaggerate what they read in order to craft the most sensationalistic headlines possible. It's all about getting that sweet ad revenue at the expense of journalistic integrity. You've been a victim of this practice for a long time; your words are twisted, expectations are elevated to an unrealistic level, and people throw temper tantrums when they don't get things they were never promised.
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It's been a mess, unfortunately. I don't blame anyone in the thread who shared information, as most was done clearly and only gave general details about concept, scope and vision of the project. I've seen reports get the dates wrong, assume Nintendo took over the project, assume platform, launch timing, genre type, and so much more inaccurate information.

As I posted earlier in the thread: the core facts are -- VV had worked on a DK years ago, was cancelled. Nintendo is making a DK now.
 
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Damn y'all are telling me VV was making a DK game that got cancelled? Crazy, it feels like its been forever since Nintendo got a third party team to work on a mainline entry in one of their franchises (and as I was typing this I forgot KT were behind Three Houses oops)
 
AngryAlchemist said:
Imagine being a Metroid fan. Couldn't be me!

Not to have a Federation Force moment, but now is absolutely not the time for a Mario & DK platformer. I'm all for weird spin-offs, but, can you imagine if after all this time, we just get another game where Mario is treated like the main star in a spin-off where DK is just the secondary star? Eh, nah
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Right with you here. Nintendos been historically really uptight about Mario crossovers. A Mario and Sonic crossover never truly happened until the Olympics, with friendly competition being the backdrop and main reason for the crossover, and the Mario and Rabbdis crossover came to fruition because they fulfilled Miyamotos condition of making a Mario game where he doesn't jump. Mario and DK previously crossed over as a throwback to the arcade days, but that quickly shifted into a lemmings clone series. So I don't really get why people think Mario + DK as a platformer is a real possibility over a stand alone DK game. And a few people have already said my thoughts on the matter already- there's some really cool ideas to be had if you went all out with it but nows absolutely not the time for a crossover game.
 
Dante Kong said:
Right with you here. Nintendos been historically really uptight about Mario crossovers. A Mario and Sonic crossover never truly happened until the Olympics, with friendly competition being the backdrop and main reason for the crossover, and the Mario and Rabbdis crossover came to fruition because they fulfilled Miyamotos condition of making a Mario game where he doesn't jump. Mario and DK previously crossed over as a throwback to the arcade days, but that quickly shifted into a lemmings clone series. So I don't really get why people think Mario + DK as a platformer is a real possibility over a stand alone DK game. And a few people have already said my thoughts on the matter already- there's some really cool ideas to be had if you went all out with it but nows absolutely not the time for a crossover game.
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Couldn't agree more. It's weird to me how some people are championing the idea of the Mario franchise completely absorbing the DK franchise to the point where DK is just a regular playable character in a Mario platformer at the behest of DK ever getting its own unique entry again. Most people wouldn't want Mario playable in a DK game so why should DK be playable in a mainline Mario game?

I guess it comes with the territory of being so closely associated with the Mario brand. It's a blessing and a curse, but it's mostly a blessing if we're being honest.
 
I don't see why a Mario + DK game is a bad idea, or that it would mean we wouldn't get other DK games. Even Mario characters get their own spinoffs (Luigi's Mansion, Yoshi's Island, Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, Warioware/Wario Land). If that's the route Nintendo wants to go I'm sure it'll be great.
 
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Magic-Man said:
I don't see why a Mario + DK game is a bad idea, and that it would mean we wouldn't get other DK games. Even Mario characters get their own spinoffs (Luigi's Mansion, Yoshi's Island, Captain Toad Treasure Tracker, Warioware/Wario Land). If that's the route Nintendo wants to go I'm sure it'll be great.
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When your favorite franchise hasn't had a new installment in almost 10 years, you might feel differently. If they went that route, I might have to wait 15 years at least to play a new DK game.
 
Joe said:
This headline always got me the most:

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"Another damn Donkey Kong Country" said with such exasperation as if it was the 10th one Retro made even though it was their second. It was a sequel to a three-year-old game that sold remarkably well on Wii, after the series was mostly relegated to spin-offs for a decade. What exactly did they expect and why were they so frustrated? I don't get it at all.
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to be fair that anger also came from that mediocre 3D world announcement especially coming off the galaxy games, outside of smash that e3 for Nintendo was considered disappointing
 
I wonder why the VV game got cancelled... Maybe like the original Metroid Prime 4, this new DK couldn't live up to the greatness of Tropical Freeze. Whatever the case may be, I'm glad it's seemingly with EPD now. I am hoping it is at least a linear 3Dish game... I just don't see how you can do 2D and top TF.
 
SpaceGodzilla said:
to be fair that anger also came from that mediocre 3D world announcement especially coming off the galaxy games, outside of smash that e3 for Nintendo was considered disappointing
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Really? I wasn't as online back then as I was now but I'm pretty sure I remember people being hyped for Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2.
 
TheSpaceBetween said:
I wonder why the VV game got cancelled... Maybe like the original Metroid Prime 4, this new DK couldn't live up to the greatness of Tropical Freeze. Whatever the case may be, I'm glad it's seemingly with EPD now. I am hoping it is at least a linear 3Dish game... I just don't see how you can do 2D and top TF.
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Apparently Crash Trilogy was a resource hog. Activision might have gotten cold feet as well, as Nintendo was coming off the Wii U.
 
Magic-Man said:
Apparently Crash Trilogy was a resource hog. Activision might have gotten cold feet as well, as Nintendo was coming off the Wii U.
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But I mean like, this is a business, with legal contracts and such. How could they agree to develop a game for Nintendo and halfway through just be like, nah, sorry, we got other priorities?
 
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Dante Kong said:
Really? I wasn't as online back then as I was now but I'm pretty sure I remember people being hyped for Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2.
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forgot it was that e3 they showed up, but the hype for MK8 skyrocketed with the rainbow road n64 trailer a few months before release, but that e3 was the one Nintendo fans where hoping would put the wiiu on the map and it kinda didn't
 
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I feel like there's always potential for 2D DK to go to new, interesting places personally. New environments, new levels, new villains, new characters, animal buddies, new music, etc. TF was amazing but I don't think that means they need to end the series there. Pretty much like any series, I think there's always new directions/ideas to explore.
 
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Sharing some disappointing news. It's like one of those "Santa Claus" moments when you find out he doesn't exist.

This was a learning experience for me as someone who is passionate about hobby journalism. It's important to seek objective truth that can be backed up by hard evidence, and not seek what you want to be real. I've spoken with journalists and the definitive conclusion is that everything in this story is unverified.

We know VV worked in some form on DK in the past, that's it. Period. Any further claims after that are unverifiable.

I won't go into the details, and you are free to speculate on this game. But in my eyes, it's just a pure fanfic story that was built upon a real cover.
People in this community are awesome, and I feel really bad for you. But the reality is that claims shared originate from very specific sources. And everyone else has simply been repeating them. I'm not naming anyone as I don't want anyone to feel extra sad from this news, that they were fooled imo.
In conclusion, ANY claim on the game is unverified, whether that's concepts, developer stories, plots, and themes etc.
All we know for sure is that the project existed, nothing else.

And DYKG won't be covering this either, one other journalist hinted to me that they have already debunked claims privately too.

I'm signing myself out of this. Take care everybody
 
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With how tightly designed Nintendo games are, I don't see DK ever becoming playable in 2D or 3D Mario games. He would need a completely different moveset than Mario, resulting in a different gameplay style. In contrast, Luigi, Toad and Peach are basically Mario with some tweaks, and the former two can work as "literally Mario clone".

The same applies to Wario. You can't take the Wario Land moveset and copy-paste it into Super Mario Bros.. See also Yoshi. Yoshi in Mario games is a glorified power-up, with a very limited moveset compared to Yoshi's Island, and both in Galaxy 2 and Sunshine he works as an extension of Mario's moveset (namely of the Wii Remote pointer and FLUDD).

Mario 64 DS is the real exception, and that was a very weird game.

PikminSnezkov said:
Sharing some disappointing news. It's like one of those "Santa Claus" moments when you find out he doesn't exist.

This was a learning experience for me as someone who is passionate about hobby journalism. It's important to seek objective truth that can be backed up by hard evidence, and not seek what you want to be real. I've spoken with journalists and the definitive conclusion is that everything in this story is unverified.

We know VV worked in some form on DK in the past, that's it. Period. Any further claims after that are unverifiable.

I won't go into the details, and you are free to speculate on this game. But in my eyes, it's just a pure fanfic story that was built upon a real cover.
People in this community are awesome, and I feel really bad for you. But the reality is that claims shared originate from very specific sources. And everyone else has simply been repeating them. I'm not naming anyone as I don't want anyone to feel extra sad from this news, that they were fooled imo.
In conclusion, ANY claim on the game is unverified, whether that's concepts, developer stories, plots, and themes etc.
All we know for sure is that the project existed, nothing else.

And no, in my view there has never been any "40 seconds video footage." That was BS as well. And DYKG won't be covering this either, one other journalist hinted to me that they have already debunked claims privately too.

I'm signing myself out of this. Take care everybody
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So, a little more than Star Fox Racing?

But even if the whole Donkey Kong Freedom game was a hoax, I still believe EPD Tokyo is working on a new DK game. The theme park, DK's major role in the Mario Movie, the 2019/2020 recruitments, and EPD artworks featuring more and more often DK are a fact.

Btw, thanks for your detective work.
 
PikminSnezkov said:
Sharing some disappointing news. It's like one of those "Santa Claus" moments when you find out he doesn't exist.

This was a learning experience for me as someone who is passionate about hobby journalism. It's important to seek objective truth that can be backed up by hard evidence, and not seek what you want to be real. I've spoken with journalists and the definitive conclusion is that everything in this story is unverified.

We know VV worked in some form on DK in the past, that's it. Period. Any further claims after that are unverifiable.

I won't go into the details, and you are free to speculate on this game. But in my eyes, it's just a pure fanfic story that was built upon a real cover.
People in this community are awesome, and I feel really bad for you. But the reality is that claims shared originate from very specific sources. And everyone else has simply been repeating them. I'm not naming anyone as I don't want anyone to feel extra sad from this news, that they were fooled imo.
In conclusion, ANY claim on the game is unverified, whether that's concepts, developer stories, plots, and themes etc.
All we know for sure is that the project existed, nothing else.

And no, in my view there has never been any "40 seconds video footage." That was BS as well. And DYKG won't be covering this either, one other journalist hinted to me that they have already debunked claims privately too.

I'm signing myself out of this. Take care everybody
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The Vicarious Visions Donkey Kong game was definitely real, and I stand by all of the details I shared. But the details I shared are now being conflated with other, more tenuous claims that I cannot independently verify. Furthermore, YouTubers like Nintendo Prime are dubiously claiming to have seen footage of the game, which I don't believe for a second. The main takeaway from all of this is that Nintendo is determined to make Donkey Kong a major franchise again, but you shouldn't need me to tell you that. If you listen, you can hear it coming.
 
Professor Chops said:
The Vicarious Visions Donkey Kong game was definitely real, and I stand by all of the details I shared. But the details I shared are now being conflated with other, more tenuous claims that I cannot independently verify. Furthermore, YouTubers like Nintendo Prime are dubiously claiming to have seen footage of the game, which I don't believe for a second. The main takeaway from all of this is that Nintendo is determined to make Donkey Kong a major franchise again, but you shouldn't need me to tell you that. If you listen, you can hear it coming.
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Professor Chops said:
If you listen, you can hear it coming.
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No joke, as you said that this drum beat started playing in my head:



PikminSnezkov said:
If you want to talk privately about this, I'm willing to share proof of the deception.
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Not trying to get you to go into detail on this or anything, just saying this is a really cool-sounding sentence.


The Legend of Zelda: Proof of the Deception
 
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Alas. At the least it means these rumors die down faster.

Just that the comment sections in news websites are gonna be insufferable when talking about Donkey Kong.
 
So if the VV project was fake, exactly what was Nintendo doing with this IP between the release of Tropical Freeze and when they supposedly took DK inhouse? Considering Hyle of DK Vine was like "listen to the pig" over at the forums, if Professor Chops' source was BS that would probably also mean Hyle's own source was BS. That would mean monkEPD was likely fake, and DK fans would go back to square one in being in the dark.

Like it's a no brainer Nintendo would have something in store for DK, but when was the last time Nintendo did something that made sense? Nintendo has been truly weird at managing this franchise in particular that I wouldn't put it past them if they make DK a multimedia franchise without a new game or, even worse, have the franchise be absorbed with Mario.
 
Nathan Little said:
So if the VV project was fake, exactly what was Nintendo doing with this IP between the release of Tropical Freeze and when they supposedly took DK inhouse? Considering Hyle of DK Vine was like "listen to the pig" over at the forums, if Professor Chops' source was BS that would probably also mean Hyle's own source was BS. That would mean monkEPD was likely fake, and DK fans would go back to square one in being in the dark.
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It's not that surprising. DK Vine has been the source of this sort of nonsense for ages. Didn't all the stuff about Miyamoto supposedly hating Rare and DKC come from there? I don't trust a single thing that comes out of that site.

I think we will get a new DK game because the franchise is too big for them not to. He's showing up in the Mario movie, he's getting a whole area in a theme park. Donkey Kong is a household name. It's obvious that they're going to capitalize on this in some way. Anyone could tell you that. The actual details, like what the game will be like, who's making it, when it will release? I doubt anyone outside of Nintendo actually knows the answers.
 
Clov said:
It's not that surprising. DK Vine has been the source of this sort of nonsense for ages. Didn't all the stuff about Miyamoto supposedly hating Rare and DKC come from there? I don't trust a single thing that comes out of that site.
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No. I believe that came from some magazine that mistranslated what Miyamoto said. They just believed it to be true considering what was happening during the time as most gaming publications like Nintendo Power was on an anti DKC tirade in the 2000s.
 
Nathan Little said:
No. I believe that came from some magazine that mistranslated what Miyamoto said. They just believed it to be true considering what was happening during the time as most gaming publications like Nintendo Power was on an anti DKC tirade in the 2000s.
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Ah, so that wasn't something that DK Vine took and pushed then? I see. It's one of the things I associate most with the site, along with other strange ideas like Nintendo's internal branches hating Rare, the K Rool mii costume being added to Smash 4 as a way to insult DK fans, and the idea that Retro was going to add a hidden K Rool boss to Tropical Freeze on Switch, but was forbidden by Nintendo and Sakurai.

I also find the idea of anti-DKC tirades in the 2000s by Nintendo Power of all publications to be strange. Didn't the 2000s see the re-release of all the DKC games, 1 on GBC, and then 1, 2, and 3 on GBA? Did Nintendo Power, Nintendo's own publication, really disparage the games that they were supposed to promote? I don't remember that, but perhaps it went over my head as a child!
 
AngryAlchemist said:
Not to have a Federation Force moment, but now is absolutely not the time for a Mario & DK platformer. I'm all for weird spin-offs, but, can you imagine if after all this time, we just get another game where Mario is treated like the main star in a spin-off where DK is just the secondary star? Eh, nah.
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Don't think it's the same. People are used to all kinds of Mario stuff. But to be honest, the only Mario vs DK I tried was the March of the Minis and didn't really like it. I think I didn't like the time limit.
 
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Clov said:
I also find the idea of anti-DKC tirades in the 2000s by Nintendo Power of all publications to be strange. Didn't the 2000s see the re-release of all the DKC games, 1 on GBC, and then 1, 2, and 3 on GBA? Did Nintendo Power, Nintendo's own publication, really disparage the games that they were supposed to promote? I don't remember that, but perhaps it went over my head as a child!
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Apparently an editor at Nintendo Power back in the day had this to say:



Here's something from Nintendo Official Magazine

 
Dinoman96 said:
Apparently an editor at Nintendo Power back in the day had this to say:



Here's something from Nintendo Official Magazine

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I'm actually surprised that they were allowed to say that. I figured official Nintendo magazines were nothing but promotional outlets for their products.
 
Nathan Little said:
And now Nintendo Power and ONM are no more. Funny how fate works sometimes.
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...I mean, was anyone expecting magazines about video games to outlast Donkey Kong, one of the most recognizable video game characters of all time? It was inevitable, hardly a delicious irony. Bad game reviews and video game related writing didn't even disappear, it evolved and migrated onto the internet. What that writing tells us most (especially the ONM review) is that gamers have always been universally bad, and they continue to be so today.
 
Considering most of the vitriol was coming from Nintendo's own official magazines, it was hard not to think Nintendo hated DK at the time.

Clov said:
...I mean, was anyone expecting magazines about video games to outlast Donkey Kong, one of the most recognizable video game characters of all time? It was inevitable, hardly a delicious irony. Bad game reviews and video game related writing didn't even disappear, it evolved and migrated onto the internet. What that writing tells us most (especially the ONM review) is that gamers have always been universally bad, and they continue to be so today.
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True, I just like to think people had enough of their shit and unsubscribed lol. Though even beyond the DK criticism, gaming magazines had a lot of gross sexist, homophobic, and transphobic writing, to which I say good riddance.
 
Nathan Little said:
Considering most of the vitriol was coming from Nintendo's own official magazines, it was hard not to think Nintendo hated DK at the time.


True, I just like to think people had enough of their shit and unsubscribed lol. Though even beyond the DK criticism, gaming magazines had a lot of gross sexist, homophobic, and transphobic writing, to which I say good riddance.
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Perhaps that's where a lot of the assumptions DK fans seem to make about Nintendo stem from.

I'm in full agreement on the latter part. I only wish that that sort of writing in itself disappeared entirely!
 
Nathan Little said:
So if the VV project was fake
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That's not the claim Pikmin is making to be fair; seemingly just casting a bit of doubt over the more specific details being shared recently, which seems fair enough to me.

Hope a more concrete source will step out publically to clear the air on this eventually, if the project did exist anywhere close to what has been described.
 
It's odd how Donkey Kong is often at the center of Nintendo fans being unable to deal with their insecurities. First with the "Rare betrayal" that wasn't a betrayal and then with Retro working on another fucking Donkey Kong. Our boy is truly iconic 🙏
 
I've seen a lot of people on Twitter now expecting a 3D Open World DK and saying the'll be disappointed if its 2D. Just because Nintendo Prime needed to mix everything up and gain attraction from this mess
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
It's odd how Donkey Kong is often at the center of Nintendo fans being unable to deal with their insecurities. First with the "Rare betrayal" that wasn't a betrayal and then with Retro working on another fucking Donkey Kong. Our boy is truly iconic 🙏
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Some folk seem to have a hard time understanding that game companies are just that: game companies, and not soap opera characters
 
There's an anti-2D-game bias in gaming circles and it kind of frustrates me. People see 2D games as "lesser" games even though something like Tropical Freeze takes just as much effort and resources to make as the average 3D game. I remember when Metroid Dread released, there was so much discourse about how it wasn't worth $60 solely based on how it was a 2D game.
 
2D platformers are, and forever will be, the de facto video game genre. It's literally the first thing I visualize in my mind when anyone mentions video games as a medium.

As far I'm concerned, I'm always defaulting to 2D sidescrollers; and to get me to play/be interested in something else, it's a proccess.
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
It's odd how Donkey Kong is often at the center of Nintendo fans being unable to deal with their insecurities. First with the "Rare betrayal" that wasn't a betrayal and then with Retro working on another fucking Donkey Kong. Our boy is truly iconic 🙏
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Now you can see why DK fans have a persecution complex. After the buyout, some fanboys online claimed that everything Rare created was "overrated garbage" and that GoldenEye was the only good game they ever created and even then they "got lucky" lol.

We had to deal with the DKC Rare trilogy was "great graphics, but mediocre gameplay" nonsense that was a fake Miyamoto quote that was either mistranslated or nefariously created out of thin air. It got so bad that Miyamoto actually addressed it himself in recent years and disavowed it. He seemed shocked that anyone believed it.

Then we got another mistranslation that Rare's characters weren't "fresh enough" for Jungle Beat when Koizumi claimed that the only returning characters in that game were DK and the banana. This was very recently revealed to be actually translated to something along the lines of "out of respect for the existing Rare characters, we won't use them in this game".

Then we had to deal with the "Should've been Metroid" bs during the Wii U.

You can see why we're very defensive over the idea of just putting DK as a playable character in a Mario game haha
 
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