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Discussion Man, am I the only one less hyped after the latest BotW2 trailer?

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Raccoon said:
I was counting on it selling itself last week. With it being 70 bucks, I feel pretty confident in saying that I am no longer interested at all.
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Well first I don't believe you'll maintain that stance (mainly because I know you) and also I haven't seen many people outright saying this. But fair enough.
 
I don’t think this was a good trailer, but nobody will remember it a few months from now. The game will release, and it will either disappoint or it won’t. If it receives the expected reception, it will sell 25+ million copies, and the unsatisfying marketing campaign will be a distant memory. Zelda isn’t really reliant on extravagant marketing. Its release is a Big Event regardless of Nintendo’s marketing strategy with it.
 
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Phosphorescent Skeleton said:
I also don't think it looks worth 70 usd. Eldin Ring is cheaper and better
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There are gonna be some sales enthusiasts
who care more about sales than the actual game or any games
who come back to this thread as a gotcha either way after launch with "Haha you thought it was bad marketing yet it outsold your favorite? Curious!"
 
Yamanoi said:
There are gonna be some sales enthusiasts
who care more about sales than the actual game or any games
who come back to this thread as a gotcha either way after launch with "Haha you thought it was bad marketing yet it outsold your favorite? Curious!"
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Don’t see how it’s any different then saying a game that hasn’t even released be worst then one already released.

It’s both laughable from both sides.

Come on.
 
DecoReturns said:
Don’t see how it’s any different then saying a game that hasn’t even released be worst then one already released.

It’s both laughable from both sides.

Come on.
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Well, in my opinion eldin ring is better than botw and i get the impression from the trailer that itll be better than totk. This in my opinion based on my emotional reactions.
 
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Elden Ring will ultimately end up better than TotK, since Elden Ring lets me get gay married to Ranni. Guaranteed nothing in Zelda will be as good as that.
 
Skittzo said:
Well first I don't believe you'll maintain that stance (mainly because I know you) and also I haven't seen many people outright saying this. But fair enough.
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I'm definitely going to forget about it for a while. They've put out an incredible trailer for a game coming just too months later while still tickling people with vague Zelda clips. Not only have they given me nothing to think about, but they've also given me a compelling alternative
 
If the sequel to BotW ends up focusing on crafting and vehicles, I'm going to jokerfy myself into the equivalent of those retvrn to tradition guys, but for classic Zelda
 
Skittzo said:
I haven't seen anything like that at all to be quite honest.
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Then you aren't looking, or you're just being deliberately obtuse. There's an overwhelming sense of being underwhelmed across fami/era/gaf/faqs/twitter/discord/reddit/youtube/etc.
I've seen "they need to show more" not "I don't think this is worth $70", which are not the same sentiment.
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These are advertisements. "I need to see more" means "I'm not sure if this product is worth my $70", which is not as bad as being sure it isn't, but still much worse than "this is definitely worth my $70".
Either way the fact that people feel the need to comment on it all is a sign of successful pre-release marketing. Outside of ethics issues there really is no such thing as bad publicity. Especially for games.
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I assure you that the goal of Nintendo's marketing team wasn't to generate a pervasive sense of "meh" among their hardcore fans 3 months prior to launch.
 
Upon first viewing, yes. But after repeat viewings, analysis videos and screenshots, and reading so many cool and many logical theories, I’m more excited than ever.
 
Skittzo said:
People who preorder games are generally going to buy it regardless, they aren't the main target of the marketing.
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I just don't even know how to respond to this.

You think they tag the "ALSO YOU CAN PREORDER IT RIGHT NOW!" line on to so many marketing materials... for a laugh?
 
Yamanoi said:
There are gonna be some sales enthusiasts
who care more about sales than the actual game or any games
who come back to this thread as a gotcha either way after launch with "Haha you thought it was bad marketing yet it outsold your favorite? Curious!"
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In those people's defense, it's pretty quaint to read some takes to the effect of what the sweeping holistic "consensus" appears to be on the game when it is already topping Amazon sales charts three months ahead of release. The whole concern of optics should be the least interesting topic of discussion regarding whether any one person feels excited about the game or not, because ultimately I agree that the trailer we saw wasn't an "exciting" trailer in the most conventional sense.
 
To be fair to Skittzo's point about not really seeing backlash, to some extent it doesn't matter how wide spread it is. We've seen this tango with Sword and Shield, which still ended up breaking records and is now the 2nd highest selling generation.

This doesn't mean that poor marketing isn't important, I mean after all, some people probably didn't buy Sword and Shield. But we'll never know because the game sold extraordinarily well anyways, and the only data we'll ever have is how many people bought it (which didn't reflect negativity), not how many people didn't.

Personally I'm of the opinion that the fact that Nintendo games have gotten so successful that you can get high sales purely off self-sufficiency despite such poor marketing is, well, not a good thing. Purely because of the implications. But that's another topic.
 
I think people are getting too heated here. Like, let people think the trailers suck. They’re not stopping people from buying TotK. Some of them aren’t even stopping themselves despite misgivings.

AngryAlchemist said:
Nintendo games have gotten so successful that you can get high sales purely off self-sufficiency despite such poor marketing is, well, not a good thing
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Wait, why? Wouldn’t a game selling on its own merits be better than selling based on marketing hype? Or did I misunderstand your statement?
 
Interestingly enough, after watching the E3 2016 trailer for BotW, it honestly doesn’t look all that different from the trailers for TotK. Lots of quick clips showing Link doing cool stuff, without providing context for why he’s doing that stuff.

Of course, the big difference between the two is that BotW immediately contextualized everything in the trailer via the Treehouse gameplay, while we’ve gotten two more cryptic trailers for TotK with only three months to go. A direct or Treehouse would go a long way at this point.
 
Skittzo said:
Good marketing gets people talking about the product and wanting to know more, that's precisely what's happening here.
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Then doing literally nothing could count as good marketing. People are talking about it not because of these videos, but because BOTW left a huge mark.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
Then doing literally nothing could count as good marketing. People are talking about it not because of these videos, but because BOTW left a huge mark.
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What? No, there would not be 6+ threads on this website talking about the most recent trailer if they didn't have a trailer.

I don't understand how you can seriously say that.
 
Skittzo said:
What? No, there would not be 6+ threads on this website talking about the most recent trailer if they didn't have a trailer.

I don't understand how you can seriously say that.
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They are talking about the sequel to BOTW because it is the sequel to BOTW. They couldn't release a trailer bad enough that people WOULDN'T talk about it, so it's impossible to say whether the trailer is good or bad based on the fact that people are talking about it. If there was no trailer obviously there'd be no trailer discussion, but there'd still be a pre-release discussion with way more pages than I pay attention to.
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
They are talking about the sequel to BOTW because it is the sequel to BOTW. They couldn't release a trailer bad enough that people WOULDN'T talk about it, so it's impossible to say whether the trailer is good or bad based on the fact that people are talking about it. If there was no trailer obviously there'd be no trailer discussion, but there'd still be a pre-release discussion with way more pages than I pay attention to.
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Whether the trailer itself is bad or good is not really what I'm talking about here. The trailer provided a very hungry fan base on the internet with tons of new snippets of information, and importantly (IMO) provided little context to most of those snippets. That information is what drives engagement in this type of marketing. People feel compelled to solve the mystery, to try and figure out what the game is really about, to see if X and Y and Z are returning.

That's not something that would be happening if there was no trailer.
 
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meatbag said:
I think people are getting too heated here. Like, let people think the trailers suck. They’re not stopping people from buying TotK. Some of them aren’t even stopping themselves despite misgivings.


Wait, why? Wouldn’t a game selling on its own merits be better than selling based on marketing hype? Or did I misunderstand your statement?
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Yeah, it's really annoying honestly. Like, it suggests people don't have confidence in their belief that the game will be a hit - which, let's be honest, ridiculous, it's going to do numbers. The big takeaway, I think, is that no one in this thread seems bothered that people are excited for the game, but some people who are excited seem bothered with those who aren't. It's just toxic hype culture stuff, it's not enough to be excited, you need validation for your hype.
 
Dusa said:
Yeah, it's really annoying honestly. Like, it suggests people don't have confidence in their belief that the game will be a hit - which, let's be honest, ridiculous, it's going to do numbers. The big takeaway, I think, is that no one in this thread seems bothered that people are excited for the game, but some people who are excited seem bothered with those who aren't. It's just toxic hype culture stuff, it's not enough to be excited, you need validation for your hype.
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Well if you aren't hyped for a Nintendo game, you're part of the problem. Next time, be better. Did you forget that The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is the greatest game of all time?

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Dusa said:
Yeah, it's really annoying honestly. Like, it suggests people don't have confidence in their belief that the game will be a hit - which, let's be honest, ridiculous, it's going to do numbers. The big takeaway, I think, is that no one in this thread seems bothered that people are excited for the game, but some people who are excited seem bothered with those who aren't. It's just toxic hype culture stuff, it's not enough to be excited, you need validation for your hype.
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Personally I am not annoyed at all by people not looking forward to the game. it totally makes sense to me that many don't like the direction Zelda took with BotW. I didn't look forward to BotW nearly as much as others when I heard open world back then. I was pleasantly surprised in the end.

What I do find annoying is the constant hot-takes in forums like this, which only operate in a world of black and white thinking where something is either perfect or complete trash. We hardly know anything about the game yet and I would argue that Marketing ≠ game quality. Nintendo often sucks at trailers if you ask me. And I think people misremember the lead up to Breath of the Wild. The game becoming such a huge hit was not obvious until after it released.
 
TanookiTom said:
Personally I am not annoyed at all by people not looking forward to the game. it totally makes sense to me that many don't like the direction Zelda took with BotW. I didn't look forward to BotW nearly as much as others when I heard open world back then. I was pleasantly surprised in the end.

What I do find annoying is the constant hot-takes in forums like this, which only operate in a world of black and white thinking where something is either perfect or complete trash. We hardly know anything about the game yet and I would argue that Marketing ≠ game quality. Nintendo often sucks at trailers if you ask me. And I think people misremember the lead up to Breath of the Wild. The game becoming such a huge hit was not obvious until after it released.
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I remember BotW pre-release, people were really into it and excited to play it, myself included.
 
I would say I literally have not cared about any of the marketing since the first reveal, it's all been pretty bleh, that said, I also assume it'll kick ass.
 
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I’m not hyped for this game but I will buy and play it day one. Why you asked?
I’ve spent decades of money on Nintendo and their games hoping that one day they’d create an opus. May 12 2023 is that day.
 
The trailer was cool. I didn't go crazy for it or anything but they've earned the benefit of the doubt here. I think back to Breath of the Wild when they showed only a slither of its map in the run-up to release (The Great Plateau). It wasn't until pretty close to launch that they showed other areas. I am happy that they're keeping their cards close to their chest. If they release more footage, I'll probably avoid it to go in blind.
 
The marketing has done very little for me so far, but if ever there was a game that didn't need marketing for me to buy it's this one.

I think some people are worried that the underwhelming trailers so far means that Nintendo don't have a ton of mind blowing stuff to show us, but let's be real that could all change within a single trailer - the game is still three months out after all.

Only way we'll know how close the game comes to meeting expectations is when it's actually out. The minimum this game can probably do is feel like a BOTW expansion (not necessarily a bad thing), but of course I'm hoping for more than that.
 
TanookiTom said:
And I think people misremember the lead up to Breath of the Wild. The game becoming such a huge hit was not obvious until after it released.
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Could we have guessed it was going to be a 30m+ seller? No, absolutely not.

Was it abundantly clear way in advance it was going to be a massive shakeup to the industry and something very special?

Yes. Case in point; people desperately running at e3 to try and play it.


The last time that happened at all at e3 before that was for people wanting to try the Wii.

And this was when as far as anyone knew, it was still tied to the dead weight that was the Wii U, let alone the hype it would have gotten if it was being shown on switch hardware.
 
No, not really. It'll probably be good, there's no way it's as good as BOTW. It looks the same but darker and edgier.
 
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Dusa said:
I remember BotW pre-release, people were really into it and excited to play it, myself included.
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Linkstrikesback said:
Could we have guessed it was going to be a 30m+ seller? No, absolutely not.

Was it abundantly clear way in advance it was going to be a massive shakeup to the industry and something very special?

Yes. Case in point; people desperately running at e3 to try and play it.


The last time that happened at all at e3 before that was for people wanting to try the Wii.

And this was when as far as anyone knew, it was still tied to the dead weight that was the Wii U, let alone the hype it would have gotten if it was being shown on switch hardware.
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I actually went back and skimmed through some threads (in a predecessor forum) to skim through the general sentiment back then (always a fun journey). Now my impression from that (and that is how I remembered it) is that the reception indeed got better and better as we learned more about the game. But there was a lot of confusion (and frustration) among some early on because there were so many question marks (will there be towns at all? no NPCs? will there be dungeons? looks empty! etc.)
But then people indeed were mostly positive and hyped once more information became available.

Granted I think the BotW sequel was always going to face an uphill battle coming from a such a critically and commercially successful game. I would not be overly excited to just play an updated version of the very same map we got in 2017.

But it's really way too early to understand just what to expect when it comes to new locations, and I feel in that regard we are in a quite similar situation as in a comparable time prior to BotWs release when we only had a very general idea of what the world was going to be.
 
Jencks said:
It is not too early to expect anything, I’m sorry. The game is out in 3 months. What they’ve shown is what we’re getting.
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Nah this is not how Nintendo has operated the last few years. We'll get more information in the month leading up to release.
 
I feel like their trailers have gotten progressively worse so I've come to accept that I won't know all that much about ToTK until very close to its release (unless there's a game specific Direct soon, which seems likely). I personally don't mind all that much. Being in a state of anticipation for a game doesn't really do all that much for me. But I can see how it could be annoying or disappointing. Ultimately, if the game is out and is as good as we're hoping for it to be most of this will be forgotten anyway.

It's difficult to parse through what they've shown so far and to judge whether they're intentionally being coy about things or if there's just not that much else to the game. The new mechanics look nice, the added enemy types are appreciated but I think it's weird how we have to rely on analysis videos of people going through these trailers frame by frame to get a firm grasp on what the game is actually about.
 
I currently feel similar to how I felt about Super Mario Galaxy 2 at this point before release.

“It looks like more Galaxy. I’m sure it will be good, but I’m not super excited”

That game turned out to be one of the all-time greats, here’s hoping TotK is the same.
 
Irene said:
I think BotW already was an opus. TotK will be a magnum opus.
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I think BotW will review better because of how groundbreaking it was but in years to come, there’s a chance TotK will be considered the better game. I think it will improve on everything that BotW did plus add a lot more content and with a better story.
 
Honestly, the fact that you think that people are emotionally invested in the game makes me think you need to get outside more. It's not complicated, YolkFolk, people who don't like the marketing of something will think the marketing is poor. It's not because they're secretly rooting against the game you've built your personality around, it's because their perspective and feelings on something has caused them to feel a certain way.
 
Dusa said:
What did I say was wrong
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If the game is good, all the bad trailers will automatically become good and will prove that you are wrong and I was right to never doubt Nintendo. Next time don't doubt Nintendo. They aren't charging $10 more in USA for nothing. Surely this game will be a premium AAAA experience.
 
Yamanoi said:
If the game is good, all the bad trailers will automatically become good and will prove that you are wrong and I was right to never doubt Nintendo. Next time don't doubt Nintendo. They aren't charging $10 more in USA for nothing. Surely this game will be a premium AAAA experience.
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Well I hate to break it to you, but like YolkFolk, my identity is built around media product! Only difference is that his life only has meaning if product is good, and mine only if product is bad :D
 
Dusa said:
Honestly, the fact that you think that people are emotionally invested in the game makes me think you need to get outside more. It's not complicated, YolkFolk, people who don't like the marketing of something will think the marketing is poor. It's not because they're secretly rooting against the game you've built your personality around, it's because their perspective and feelings on something has caused them to feel a certain way.
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I'm sorry, what the hell is a yolkfolk? Like based off of Dizzy? Are you calling us Princes/Princesses?

I'll take it.
 
ProteusRidley said:
I'm sorry, what the hell is a yolkfolk? Like based off of Dizzy? Are you calling us Princes/Princesses?

I'll take it.
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The guy I was talkin' about a few posts up, you shouldn't accept that label, it means you're being annoying!
 
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