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Spoiler The Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Postgame & Spoiler Discussion Thread

I mean, Rex is 15 in Xenoblade 2. Even if there was just 1 of Pyra or Mythra that would already be fucked up given they certainly are not portrayed to be teenagers. If it was just Nia at least she is portrayed to be about the same age.

The fact that it is all 3 of them is bad for pretty obvious reasons.
 
I’m just begging people to actually consider real polyamorous people and relationships when it comes to this particular subject, because there’s so much polyphobia in the discussion surrounding it (even if it may not be intentional by some people) that’s just been allowed to go unchecked, and as a polyamorous person myself it’s fucking infuriating and disheartening seeing that kind of shit flourish even within so-called leftist spaces.
I’m sorry if I displayed polyphobia, because you’re right, it might be consensual. I was just bothered by the discourse around the pic, and also by the kinda fucked up romance written in the second game, in which the age and power dynamics wouldn’t be in favor of a healthy relationship. But it’s anime and really maybe I’m giving this too much thought. So again sorry
 
I find interesting how people gravitate towards discussing the power dynamic of Rex and the girls when in the same game you have Ethel being reborn and then aged another 10 years in a instant.
 
I mean, Rex is 15 in Xenoblade 2. Even if there was just 1 of Pyra or Mythra that would already be fucked up given they certainly are not portrayed to be teenagers. If it was just Nia at least she is portrayed to be about the same age.

The fact that it is all 3 of them is bad for pretty obvious reasons.
Rex is definitely not still 15 in that photograph.
 
I find interesting how people gravitate towards discussing the power dynamic of Rex and the girls when in the same game you have Ethel being reborn and then aged another 10 years in a instant.

In Xenoblade 4 when we find out that Cammuravi has a kid with her, then we will "maybe" be one third of the way to it being comparable lol.

Rex is definitely not still 15 in that photograph.
Erase the fact that this is a video game for one second. Would we societally be okay with 2 women (I mean arguably 3 even) starting a romantic relationship with a 15 year old? You're saying no one would take issue with that?

I know we not defending this for real right?

If people want to suspend their disbelief because anime or because Xenoblade 2 holds a special place in their heart or whatever by all means have at it. But you're not doing any favours by trying to rationalize the photo as being unproblematic from any angle.
 
I don’t care for people describing it like that either—I’d much rather people be recognizing it as positive polyamorous representation than calling Rex a “gigachad” and similar bullshit—but in the game itself there’s nothing to suggest that the relationship isn’t fully mutual and positive. Not that we’re exactly given much to go on, but it’s a bigger leap in logic to suggest that the relationship is somehow misogynistic or toxic or whatever than just accepting it as a positive/neutral thing with what’s shown, given Rex’s whole characterization in XC2 and how Nia clearly thinks fondly of her family and misses them all in XC3.

I’m just begging people to actually consider real polyamorous people and relationships when it comes to this particular subject, because there’s so much polyphobia in the discussion surrounding it (even if it may not be intentional by some people) that’s just been allowed to go unchecked, and as a polyamorous person myself it’s fucking infuriating and disheartening seeing that kind of shit flourish even within so-called leftist spaces.
I think this comes down to the fact that Monolith isn't doing the work to present them as being in a wholesome polyamorous relationship.

You have to consider that the entire relationship between Rex, Nia, Pyra, and Mythra is presented solely with one photograph, which is only able to convey so much about their dynamic.

The first thing you see in the photo is their body language - Rex is standing tall, displaying a powerful stance, looming over the three women with his arms splayed out to his sides as if displaying his possessions. He's wearing a confident, almost cocky expression, as if he is proud of something that he's not telling us.

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The three women, however, are placed below him in the image, all three in closed, diminutive sitting positions, all three occupied by the product of Rex's interaction with them - the product that, according to the limited amount of information available to be conveyed through the photograph, is what their entire being revolves around. None of the women are holding their iconic weapons or displaying their unique, confident personalities - for all intents and purposes, they are merely baby factories, and they are all the same.

Unlike Rex, the three women don't even appear to be smiling. Personally, my first impression was that they looked annoyed at being interrupted to be photographed while they were busy taking care of Rex's babies.

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Consider that all of the above is instantaneously and subconsciously told to the viewer, the moment they view the photograph, and you might understand why people see it and immediately feel revolted.

I would go so far as to say the overall negative reaction is less due to anti-poly sentiment, and more to a mysoginistic representation of highly loved women characters.

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Erase the fact that this is a video game for one second. Would we societally be okay with 2 women (I mean arguably 3 even) starting a romantic relationship with a 15 year old? You're saying no one would take issue with that?
This did not happen in the game, so I don't know why you're asking this

I know we not defending this for real right?

If people want to suspend their disbelief because anime or because Xenoblade 2 holds a special place in their heart or whatever by all means have at it. But you're not doing any favours by trying to rationalize the photo as being unproblematic from any angle.

Rex was not 15 in that photo
 
Yeah. This happened in Xenoblade 2 lol. Or is the implication at the end of Xenoblade 2 that Rex is not in love with Pyra and Mythra and they are not together going to be together?

Are you for real?
Are you saying he grew three feet and buffed out in less than a year at 15 years old
 
Okay. You're not for real. I'm not even going to entertain this non sense
It's pretty well established in the game that they love each other, and the same goes for the ending scene. It was pretty clear that their relationship could result in romance, but we certainly didn't see that occur anywhere onscreen. I get you're dedicated though, and you would rather assert that I'm not being "for real" that continue talking to me, so I don't really expect a response
 
I think this comes down to the fact that Monolith isn't doing the work to present them as being in a wholesome polyamorous relationship.

You have to consider that the entire relationship between Rex, Nia, Pyra, and Mythra is presented solely with one photograph, which is only able to convey so much about their dynamic.

The first thing you see in the photo is their body language - Rex is standing tall, displaying a powerful stance, looming over the three women with his arms splayed out to his sides as if displaying his possessions. He's wearing a confident, almost cocky expression, as if he is proud of something that he's not telling us.


The three women, however, are placed below him in the image, all three in closed, diminutive sitting positions, all three occupied by the product of Rex's interaction with them - the product that, according to the limited amount of information available to be conveyed through the photograph, is what their entire being revolves around. None of the women are holding their iconic weapons or displaying their unique, confident personalities - for all intents and purposes, they are merely baby factories.

Unlike Rex, the three women don't even appear to be smiling.


Consider that all of the above is instantaneously and subconsciously told to the viewer, the moment they view the photograph, and you might understand why people see it and immediately feel revolted.

I would go so far as to say the overall negative reaction is less due to anti-poly sentiment, and more to a mysoginistic representation of highly loved women characters.

I know, I’ve already commented on this previously in this thread. Yeah, MonolithSoft could have done better with the picture. But when they’re trying to be progressive in other ways like including a non-binary character, even ahead of Nintendo’s own internal teams, I’m gonna give them the benefit of the doubt here and assume that there was no ill intent with the framing of this photo—if anything, I think they just wanted to convey the fact that Pyra, Mythra, and Nia all had children with Rex (one of which we know is important to the plot since it’s heavily implied that Nia’s daughter is Mio, and it wouldn’t surprise me if there are further connections with the DLC) and so that’s why the photo is the way it is…but yes, I agree that it’s rather poor framing and it could have been handled better.

But regardless, it’s not like that photo is all we’re given. Like I said, there’s also Rex’s entire characterization in XC2, Nia’s positive feelings towards her family in XC3, and the New Game Plus title screen in XC2 with them all holding hands as equals. Like, you have to be ignoring everything else to think that Rex somehow grows up to form a toxic relationship with these girls.

Yes, it’s by no means perfect polyamory representation. But it’s something, which is a pretty big deal. And similarly, gay relationships are often not portrayed all that great in most games when they actually are represented, either, but it’s still generally seen as a good thing for representation regardless—it’s important for these kind of things to become more commonplace in media like video games and such anyway, and in time the representation will surely get better if that happens. But when you have so little representation in the first place, even the smallest, imperfect form of representation is a welcome sight.
 
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Erase the fact that this is a video game for one second. Would we societally be okay with 2 women (I mean arguably 3 even) starting a romantic relationship with a 15 year old? You're saying no one would take issue with that?

Pyra and Mythra are supposed to be at most a couple of years older than Rex in terms of characterization, and Nia is actually the exact same age.

Nia's daughter died "a decade" before the events of XC2, and Mythra in Torna is essentially Addam's daughter, with her relationship with Jin, who talks down to her as he's talking to a brat, further emphatizing how she's pretty much an angsty teen.

You can take issue with the relationship, but it's definitely not a case of adult women x teen.
 
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It would be great if the photo was actually representative of a bisexual polycule, that would mean 3 of the most important characters in the franchise are LGBT, which is stunning for Nintendo standards. However, on top of what bellydrum posted about body language, Monolith is terrible about heteronormativity. Afaik the only LGBT rep in the numbered games is Juniper, and they're nonbinary with an unknown sexuality. There is a eight-wheeler's worth of material in 2 that's clearly pandering to horny teenaged boys, plus the scene in 3 about men and women creating babies being the natural way of life (as cute as it was). With all that, it's impossible for me to give Monolith any benefit of the doubt regarding the photo - it's a straight male power fantasy about marrying multiple women and turning them all into babymakers.

Also the whole thing with P/M falling in love with Rex at the end of 2 hinges on what age group P/M are intended to look like. To me they look like they're supposed to be 18-21 (infinite lifespan aside), maybe 17 at the youngest. Them dating a 15yo at that age range is... not a good look

EDIT: In the interest of fairness I should also mention 1 also had these problems. Shulk and Fiora, Melia's secret crush on Shulk, Reyn and Sharla, not even going into how every single major female character in that is defined by their relationship to a man.
 
The first thing you see in the photo is their body language - Rex is standing tall, displaying a powerful stance, looming over the three women with his arms splayed out to his sides as if displaying his possessions. He's wearing a confident, almost cocky expression, as if he is proud of something that he's not telling us.
Disclaimer: I'm only up to chapter 4 in Xenoblade 2, after finishing XC1 and 3. Though I'm already spoiled for the major story beats, including the characterization of Pyra / Mythra / Nia.

I agree with this assessment. While I did see all of them as smiling in the photo, I do wish they were posed differently. Even just all of them standing up, with Rex holding one or two of his kids, would be an improvement.
 
It's pretty well established in the game that they love each other, and the same goes for the ending scene. It was pretty clear that their relationship could result in romance, but we certainly didn't see that occur anywhere onscreen. I get you're dedicated though, and you would rather assert that I'm not being "for real" that continue talking to me, so I don't really expect a response
The relationship between Rex, Pyra and Mythra was fucked up well before the ending of XC2. The ending went and made them become 2 separate people to add more crazy to it. Saying we didn't see it occur on screen is not the point. Even if it was just one of the 3 it would have been like "these adults see nothing wrong with this 15 year old in a full on relationship with an adult? Jesus." Amd anyone saying, "it didn't happen on screen so it doesn't count" is really living in a world I'm not going to entertain.

The fact that they amped it up by adding Nia and making Rex have a child with all 3 of them at the same time is only inviting more criticism. I seriously don't get the mental gymnastics people have to jump through to see "nothing" wrong here. And I mean, we could write a small novel on the misogyny and sexualization in XC2 that highlight the best intentions of the writers should not just be assumed but I mean, fuck that. I don't grasp how people look at that picture which only means something if you played XC2 and go "this receiving flak is unfair".

I aint telling any of yall to be upset. I am saying it is pretty fucking obvious why this is bad.
 
So where did they come from then?

Good question considering the only official information, repeated multiple times from different sources from start to finish of XC2 and Torna, is that blades DO NOT reproduce sexually.

The only evidence of blades reproducing sexually canonically is inside Aionios, where race doesn't matter since they are all digitalized beings (and for example High Entia age as regular homs).
 
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Erase the fact that this is a video game for one second. Would we societally be okay with 2 women (I mean arguably 3 even) starting a romantic relationship with a 15 year old? You're saying no one would take issue with that?

I know we not defending this for real right?

If people want to suspend their disbelief because anime or because Xenoblade 2 holds a special place in their heart or whatever by all means have at it. But you're not doing any favours by trying to rationalize the photo as being unproblematic from any angle.
You say "women" to emphasize the difference, but I'm not super convinced Pyra and Mythra are really meant to be coded to be that much older in Rex. In Torna, Addam even seems to view Mythra like an older teenage daughter. I don't think it's really unreasonable to read them as only actually being a few years older at most.
 
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Yeah, but you'd have to be pretty disingenuous to use that as a defense.

I do think it's their kids, I'm just saying we do not know how they were willed into existance, which is pretty relevant in this case I think.

People are essentially arguing over the possibility of Rex having foursomes smirking at himself in the mirror like Christian Bale in American Psyco.
 
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Look, I’m not against people criticizing the issues with the portrayal of the implied relationships. But it should be done in a way that at least acknowledges the fact that this is a rare instance of polyamory representation in a video game. That’s what pisses me off most here—no one is thinking about actual polyamorous people and how they may feel about this.

Like, when it comes to monogamous queer relationships in games that aren’t presented the best, the discussion around it is never just “this is bad”—it’s more like “queer representation is important and nice to see, but unfortunately the way this example was presented could have been better, and here’s why…” But in this case, almost no one is talking about this being polyamory representation, be it flawed or not. Polyamory isn’t even factoring into the discussion at all for most people, it seems—or if it is, it’s as a negative reaction to it being “weird” or “gross” or whatever because it’s still a heavily stigmatized concept, for some reason.

I’m just happy to see a polyamorous family in a video game at all, okay? Can ya’ll consider how important that representation—even if imperfect—might be to some people? And maybe, if you’re gonna criticize it, at least acknowledge polyamory in the discussion. All I ever see from people regarding this subject is stuff like “I don’t like this, I wish it didn’t exist” but pretty much never anything like “I love to see polyamorous representation in a game, but I wish it was handled better” or something like that. You see what I mean?
 
Like it or not, the developers don't have a great track record honestly with its characterization of women. I think some of the takes, especially from the outlook are deserving.

However as a character, I don't think Rex would dream of being in an unhealthy, misogynistic foursome relationship. We are talking about a dude that says that he legitimately loves all of the party equally. If any fictional character could pull off a consentual, poly relationship, it is probably Rex. These are even all blades that chose to bond with Rex, rather then being pulled from core crystals. This is something that correlates with Xenoblade 2 itself. From Nia saying he loves him, from Pyra and Mythra being fine sharing him too.

For all of Xenoblade 2's problems, Rex wasn't really a part of sexualizing the cast. He was really wholesome for pretty much the whole game, almost to a frustrating degree. Xenoblade 2's problems really stem from everything that is Tora, the character designs, and the way the camera has a permanent male gaze effect. Nothing about Rex's relationship with any of the female cast is the problem with Xenoblade 2.
 
The first thing you see in the photo is their body language - Rex is standing tall, displaying a powerful stance, looming over the three women with his arms splayed out to his sides as if displaying his possessions. He's wearing a confident, almost cocky expression, as if he is proud of something that he's not telling us.


The three women, however, are placed below him in the image, all three in closed, diminutive sitting positions, all three occupied by the product of Rex's interaction with them - the product that, according to the limited amount of information available to be conveyed through the photograph, is what their entire being revolves around. None of the women are holding their iconic weapons or displaying their unique, confident personalities - for all intents and purposes, they are merely baby factories, and they are all the same.

Unlike Rex, the three women don't even appear to be smiling. Personally, my first impression was that they looked annoyed at being interrupted to be photographed while they were busy taking care of Rex's babies.


Consider that all of the above is instantaneously and subconsciously told to the viewer, the moment they view the photograph, and you might understand why people see it and immediately feel revolted.
I think you are trying to find something that isn't there.
Rex standing tall behind them isn't some sort of message of him being dominant over them and the position of the girls isn't to imply that they are inferior, it's just the composition to imply that they are married to each other. When you take a family photo the parents are usually on the sides and the kids in the centre so to have a better composition to the picture. But in this case, there are three wives, one husband. If rex was standing at the sides, you would think that he had kids with two of them while the third one would not be clear. Him holding the chairs also doesn't have a deeper meaning., he's just holding the chairs. In pictures, if someone is sitting and someone else is grabbing the chair, it's not to imply that that person is dominant over the other, they're just holding the chair. If it was to "display his trophies", He would either be doing a double thumbs up or spreading his arms at shoulder level.
Why aren't they holding their weapons? Because this is a family picture, not the picture of a platoon.
Also they are smiling. Nothing about it implies that they are annoyed that they had to take a picture while tending to the babies. Nor does Rex smile have any deeper meaning. he's just smiling.

The only thing this picture implies is that Rex and the girls are married to each other and had kids, nothing else.
 
As a huge fan of XC2, I’d just like to see that picture explained in some capacity in the DLC. From how the second game is written and how it ends, to that picture… it’s a big jump. It challenges our views on certain relationships and even the lore of the world. I don’t really have an issue with it and I’ve previously said I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of criticisms thrown at the picture.

But as a fan, I want to know how - in an ending where Zeke calls Pneuma the girl Rex loves, in which Nia pushes Rex towards the girls giving him a nod of acceptance and approval, and the game concluding on the screen ‘and thus boy met girl‘ - we get to the family situation we see in XC3.

I’ve seen people retroactively point to certain parts of XC2 to try explain it, but I don’t think it’s really there, or it’s not enough for me personally.

Now, if they give me that context, great. I love Rex and that picture, particularly given Rex’s characterisation in XC2, doesn’t stir any negative feelings towards him within me.

So from my perspective, I want the story behind that picture. It’s a five second shot that completely flips the world of XC2 upside down. And it’s just casually tossed in there.

Thought Rex was set up with Pyra and Mythra? Well, Nia‘s in the mix too and by the way she’s holding a baby… who we are going to heavily infer to be Mio in the postgame content.

And if Mio hadn’t been linked to Nia and presumably Rex, it would be easier to compartmentalise it from the larger story of XC3. But one of the two main heroes in XC3 is, supposedly, the daughter of the XC2 protagonist. Which begs the question, where’s Pyra and Mythra? What happened to the other kids? How did they all have kids anyway?

You would have had all these questions regarding the picture anyway, but using Mio in such a direct way in XC3 just kind of… not rubs it in your face, but makes the questions feel more pertinent and linked to the world of XC3 than they needed to be.

It's not just that Rex seemingly had children with all three women, it's not that they could have children to begin with it, it's not that Mio is probably Rex's daughter, it's all of it stacked on top of each other with no context.

I've written at length about how XC3 uses bits and pieces from XC and XC2 as window-dressing, but doesn't really forge meaningful connections. I've said Nia and Melia being the queens means nothing and that they could have been anyone - their presence doesn't impact the story at all.

And then there's this... the one opportunity they had to make Nia being in this game actually mean something. You've got Nia, Mio and M all in the same game, a couple of wistful looks and a family photo, and literally none of it amounts to a payoff for those involved. It's crazy. Mio doesn't even question why she looks exactly like Nia with the same core crystal - not even in any incidental dialogue.

I think if they'd took the story contents of that picture and fleshed it out in the game itself, some might be happier with it. I think it's awesome that @Tye connects to it in a strong way.

And despite XC2 not really building to it as nicely as I would have liked (if this was always the plan), I'm relaxed about it. I just hope, as a huge fan of XC2, warts and all, we get something that bridges the gap between what we see in that game and in XC3.

The story behind that picture fascinates me and I hope Takahashi and co give me some sense of closure on it - whether that be a one-off conversation in the DLC or whatever. I don't need the details, but I'd like some sense of how it developed.

If I get nothing? Well, I love all the characters involved, so as long as they're happy, I'm fine with it. But I'll be disappointed if we don't get something as it's such a huge grenade to throw into the XC2 story, five years after the fact.
 
As a huge fan of XC2, I’d just like to see that picture explained in some capacity in the DLC. From how the second game is written and how it ends, to that picture… it’s a big jump. It challenges our views on certain relationships and even the lore of the world. I don’t really have an issue with it and I’ve previously said I don’t necessarily agree with a lot of criticisms thrown at the picture.

But as a fan, I want to know how - in an ending where Zeke calls Pneuma the girl Rex loves, in which Nia pushes Rex towards the girls giving him a nod of acceptance and approval, and the game concluding on the screen ‘and thus boy met girl‘ - we get to the family situation we see in XC3.

I’ve seen people retroactively point to certain parts of XC2 to try explain it, but I don’t think it’s really there, or it’s not enough for me personally.

Now, if they give me that context, great. I love Rex and that picture, particularly given Rex’s characterisation in XC2, doesn’t stir any negative feelings towards him within me.

So from my perspective, I want the story behind that picture. It’s a five second shot that completely flips the world of XC2 upside down. And it’s just casually tossed in there.

Thought Rex was set up with Pyra and Mythra? Well, Nia‘s in the mix too and by the way she’s holding a baby… who we are going to heavily infer to be Mio in the postgame content.

And if Mio hadn’t been linked to Nia and presumably Rex, it would be easier to compartmentalise it from the larger story of XC3. But one of the two main heroes in XC3 is, supposedly, the daughter of the XC2 protagonist. Which begs the question, where’s Pyra and Mythra? What happened to the other kids? How did they all have kids anyway?

You would have had all these questions regarding the picture anyway, but using Mio in such a direct way in XC3 just kind of… not rubs it in your face, but makes the questions feel more pertinent and linked to the world of XC3 than they needed to be.

It's not just that Rex seemingly had children with all three women, it's not that they could have children to begin with it, it's not that Mio is probably Rex's daughter, it's all of it stacked on top of each other with no context.

I've written at length about how XC3 uses bits and pieces from XC and XC2 as window-dressing, but doesn't really forge meaningful connections. I've said Nia and Melia being the queens means nothing and that they could have been anyone - their presence doesn't impact the story at all.

And then there's this... the one opportunity they had to make Nia being in this game actually mean something. You've got Nia, Mio and M all in the same game, a couple of wistful looks and a family photo, and literally none of it amounts to a payoff for those involved. It's crazy. Mio doesn't even question why she looks exactly like Nia with the same core crystal - not even in any incidental dialogue.

I think if they'd took the story contents of that picture and fleshed it out in the game itself, some might be happier with it. I think it's awesome that @Tye connects to it in a strong way.

And despite XC2 not really building to it as nicely as I would have liked (if this was always the plan), I'm relaxed about it. I just hope, as a huge fan of XC2, warts and all, we get something that bridges the gap between what we see in that game and in XC3.

The story behind that picture fascinates me and I hope Takahashi and co give me some sense of closure on it - whether that be a one-off conversation in the DLC or whatever. I don't need the details, but I'd like some sense of how it developed.

If I get nothing? Well, I love all the characters involved, so as long as they're happy, I'm fine with it. But I'll be disappointed if we don't get something as it's such a huge grenade to throw into the XC2 story, five years after the fact.
I'm not expecting the picture to be explained in dlc for 3, but I do hope whenever we get a definitive edition for 2 we also get a short epilogue leading up to the picture.
 
I'm not expecting the picture to be explained in dlc for 3, but I do hope whenever we get a definitive edition for 2 we also get a short epilogue leading up to the picture.
If I have to wait another five years for any context, I'm blaming you! lol

Though I could go for a XC2 epilogue...
 
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I think you are trying to find something that isn't there.
Rex standing tall behind them isn't some sort of message of him being dominant over them and the position of the girls isn't to imply that they are inferior, it's just the composition to imply that they are married to each other. When you take a family photo the parents are usually on the sides and the kids in the centre so to have a better composition to the picture. But in this case, there are three wives, one husband. If rex was standing at the sides, you would think that he had kids with two of them while the third one would not be clear. Him holding the chairs also doesn't have a deeper meaning., he's just holding the chairs. In pictures, if someone is sitting and someone else is grabbing the chair, it's not to imply that that person is dominant over the other, they're just holding the chair. If it was to "display his trophies", He would either be doing a double thumbs up or spreading his arms at shoulder level.
Why aren't they holding their weapons? Because this is a family picture, not the picture of a platoon.
Also they are smiling. Nothing about it implies that they are annoyed that they had to take a picture while tending to the babies. Nor does Rex smile have any deeper meaning. he's just smiling.

The only thing this picture implies is that Rex and the girls are married to each other and had kids, nothing else.

I think you're misunderstanding my motivations for describing the photo.
I'm providing an explanation for why many people seemed to have a strong negative emotional reaction to the photo when it leaked devoid of context before the game's release, using objective observation of the body language and composition of the image. You're describing the reason why the picture looks the way it does, such as why Rex is positioned the way he is, why the women don't have their weapons, etc.
But that context isn't what hits people first - it's the body language, the composition, that provides the first impression.

Keep in mind that I don't personally have a problem with the photo, and I'm happy Rex, Nia, Pyra, and Mythra had such an ending to their story, presuming it's what they all wanted. In fact I couldn't think of a better outcome than an organically natural and balanced polyandrous relationship for the four of them, which seems to be the case. I'm replying to someone who seems to think the large negative reaction is due to a societal rejection of polyandry, whereas I would argue it does not come from that, and instead is a result of a strongly suggestive photo composition.

To say I'm finding something that's "not there" is to say that the photograph is not the same photograph that it is.
 
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Takahshi will explain the photo one day

Tho it’s rather amusing seeing where the talk goes about it and no one mentions how nicely dressed up the cast is.

Like imagine those designs in X2? Way better. Looks like taking some criticism and making a respectable change.
 
Tho it’s rather amusing seeing where the talk goes about it and no one mentions how nicely dressed up the cast is.

Like imagine those designs in X2? Way better. Looks like taking some criticism and making a respectable change.
Yeah like, with one photo they said "Let's have some more respectful costume designs for our ladies and and show an alternative family structure!" which could be seen as actually a pretty awesome mic drop.
 
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The photo would be a miss due to the lack of Turters even without the potentially problematic content.

lol

I'm fine with the photo, maybe even thinking it's cute, but I'm not going to act like I don't understand the issue.
 
Well, look what has been found in the artbook.



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Maybe we are going back in the pre-Aionios worlds in the DLC? :unsure:

Also that's definitely the Monado REX.


Yeah! It doesn't really look Like Shulk holding the REX. I wonder who that character is supposed to be?

Also, lmao at this Origin concept art. Are those numerous Zohars?

 
That art is focused on how characters mesh together. They probably wanted to see how that party would look like from the player's point of view (so, from the back), and took an existing neutral-enough background to place them that was already available. Don't look much into it...
 
I'm still wondering why the founders are supposedly 4 girls and 2 boys. I would have expected 3 boys and 3 girls being Ouroborus.
 
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Well, look what has been found in the artbook.


Looks like Vandham and Doyle on the right. Ortiz second from the left and Rhodes third from the left.

Man in the center looks like the mentor of Cassini, but he only has 1 sword and it's the Monado REX implying the mentor of Reid. The High Entia on the left would have to be Reid.

I just realized, if Vandham and Doyle and descended from Noah and Mio, how could they become Ouroboros and interlink? They're both Keves and Agnus.
 
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Well, look what has been found in the artbook.



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Maybe we are going back in the pre-Aionios worlds in the DLC? :unsure:

Also that's definitely the Monado REX.

Correction that this is not confirmed to be the founders but potentially very early ideas for the main cast
 
Nia is such a better character then Melia.

Melia biggest thing is her voice actress. But to be fair, I don’t think she’s was done well in Xenoblade 1 to begin with. Future connected helped her a lot in my book.
 
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Well, look what has been found in the artbook.



nUcf0jz.png



Maybe we are going back in the pre-Aionios worlds in the DLC? :unsure:

Also that's definitely the Monado REX.

Yeah i'm starting to think that the story expansion is going to be about the founders.
Also stupid question, did you guys (and galls) had any problems with the arson breeding side quest in colony mu?
I just choose random couples that looked cute and finished the entire side quest with zero problems but I heard that to a lot of people it was a pain in the ass.
 
Well, look what has been found in the artbook.



nUcf0jz.png



Maybe we are going back in the pre-Aionios worlds in the DLC? :unsure:

Also that's definitely the Monado REX.

Is that actually supposed to be the founders, though? It kinda strikes me more as an early iteration of the main party. The weapons changed around a bit, but each of those characters seems to substantially resemble one of the main 6.
Yeah i'm starting to think that the story expansion is going to be about the founders.
Also stupid question, did you guys (and galls) had any problems with the arson breeding side quest in colony mu?
I just choose random couples that looked cute and finished the entire side quest with zero problems but I heard that to a lot of people it was a pain in the ass.
I've yet to see anyone map out the full flowchart, but the known sequence to complete it takes like 4 cycles, so you probably got pretty lucky if you guessed it.
 
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