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Pre-Release Splatoon 3 — Pre-release Discussion Thread

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ITSMILNER said:
Was just re-watching the Direct, on the section where they mention ‘Large scale paid DLC’ they have a message at the bottom saying ‘full version of Splatoon 3 required to use the DLC’ could this hint towards a F2P version just featuring multiplayer maybe?
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No I think that's just a standard legal note
 
Plum said:
Yeah it looks a little different but, seriously though, 5 maps looking a bit more run down than the other… 7 maps does not make for a ‘different look’ in my eyes.
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Wait til you find out about this thing called "You don't have to buy it, play it, talk about it, or think about it, if it's not for you."
 
GriffMendez said:
Wait til you find out about this thing called "You don't have to buy it, play it, talk about it, or think about it, if it's not for you."
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to be clear, I think anybody is entitled to shit on something as much as they want

I've personally tried to get away from it as best as I can because I find it so soul crushing (edit: for me, the person doing it, not for others), but it's what forums are for
 
I like that they are adding seasonal content, and emotes, like they have in Knockout City and Fall Guys. The customization features look incredible, and the new weapons and modes are more than enough to feel like "more of the same" like so many people are complaining about.

I've enjoyed every reveal trailer, and the Direct was cool, and very informative.

Splatoon 3 ftw!
 
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Plum said:
Yes, I know one is from different eras and the other is not. However, one is based in real life and the other is not. There’s no reason why Nintendo couldn’t just invent a reason why, say, all the old maps got a redesign, or why your character’s wearing a new style. Literally none. It’s a fictional, almost-absurdist universe where anything can, and has, happened. It can choose whichever aesthetic it wanted, or change whichever things it wanted, and, as long as it kept the core identity, it would still feel like Splatoon.
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I mean, while fantastic, Splatoon is also based in "real life." The backstory of the game is that mankind has wiped itself and all land-based creatures out through global warming and other man-made disasters which allowed sea-life to emerge as the dominant forms of life on Earth. Every technological advancement this new society creates whether it be weapons, clothing, and music is based on the remnants that mankind left behind. Also Nintendo does create small bits of lore for the emergence of new brands and while old maps rarely see any drastic redesigns when there are changes the developerd tendmto have fun with the updates by having "construction notices" for those specific maps.
 
ITSMILNER said:
Was just re-watching the Direct, on the section where they mention ‘Large scale paid DLC’ they have a message at the bottom saying ‘full version of Splatoon 3 required to use the DLC’ could this hint towards a F2P version just featuring multiplayer maybe?
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It just means you can't use it if you have a demo, or the World Premiere version. There's not going to be Splatoon F2P.
 
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Raccoon said:
I think you're taking this the wrong way. I am trying to shut down the people arguing with you, because no amount of "well this mode should count" or "this mode in 2 didn't count" will change your mind about the quality of the game.

I say you can't be reasoned with because this isn't a matter of reason. It's a matter of your own opinions and expectations, independent from argument. I welcome you to continue to criticize this game, and unlike others I'd even encourage you not to waste your money on it.

I don't think your disappointment is wrong. I don't think you're obligated not to complain. I wasn't even talking to you. I was talking to the people who will continue to try to convince you to like what's been shown without presenting any new information, because there isn't any.
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OK.

GriffMendez said:
Wait til you find out about this thing called "You don't have to buy it, play it, talk about it, or think about it, if it's not for you."
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Wait till you found out about this thing called “You can still buy and enjoy a thing even if you think said thing could be better.” Or how about the amazing “Deflecting all criticism with ‘it’s not for you’ is a lazy argument that means nothing because it can be used in literally every single situation to shut down anyone.”

Seven said:
I mean, while fantastic, Splatoon is also based in "real life." The backstory of the game is that mankind has wiped itself and all land-based creatures out through global warming and other man-made disasters which allowed sea-life to emerge as the dominant forms of life on Earth. Every technological advancement this new society creates whether it be weapons, clothing, and music is based on the remnants that mankind left behind. Also Nintendo does create small bits of lore for the emergence of new brands and while old maps rarely see any drastic redesigns when there are changes the developerd tendmto have fun with the updates by having "construction notices" for those specific maps.
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Yeah, and the cat which canonically It’s not realistic at all lol. Nintendo could easily invent a reason why things look different.

Hell, I can do one now:

“A big drought caused by Salmonids caused chaos in the world of Splatoon and now everything looks a bit Mad Max.”

It’s not good, but it’s something.
 
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I know nintendo didn't help barely acknowledging the story mode in the direct but it's not gonna be a throwaway either. This mode has always been meaningful, they even doubled down with the octo expansion and here they upped the production quality of the sceneries, introduce more grounded and cinematic elements from octoexp last stretch and went for overworlds with gameplay mechanics ahead of just reaching a level. I was expecting it from this direct but it's probably the previews that will bring the goods.
 
hot take:

Splatoon is a great series with great unique mechanics and probably one of the most fun shooters ever created from a gameplay perspective.
 
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The good thing about being on a small board like Famiboards is that there's no point in trying to convince others to join your "side" because nothing here matters anyway.
 
LukasManak22 said:
The Direct thread is getting ridiculous. But I will say something YOU CAN SKIP THE NEWS.
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It was always destined to be tiring and ridiculous. ALWAYS. No matter the content or modes.

It is tradition at this point.
 
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I am one of the suckers who is excited for big DLC. I am one of the guys who is eating everything up Nintendo throws at me.

Because Splatoon is fucking delicious.
 
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Got to be honest, this doesn't look like a massive leap up from 2 to me. It just seems like more Splatoon. I'm really excited for it, and I'm going to get it day one, but I was hoping for some more modes.
 
Clix said:
Eh, it counts. My A- rank is from Splat Zones, followed by a B in Clam Blitz and Tower. Tower and Splat are my favorites, especially Tower. Rain Maker stresses me out too much.

Speaking of, am I the only person who enjoys Clam Blitz? lol
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Further supporting your position: All ranks but X are rolled into one regardless of mode in Splatoon 3. So in that spirit I shall already consider myself eternal S+++ tier in spirit.

And I kinda like Clam Blitz. Casually. As soon as rank ups and downs are in play, the frustrations of trying to coordinate teamplay grow too large. So I would sometimes dip in when it was in rotation but never committed to ranking up in it; or put more exactly, I hard committed to not bother ranking up in it. Ironically, Splatoon 3 rolling all mode ranks into one, thus making it possible for me to tank my hard-earned Splatzone gains with just a few rounds of Clam Blitz, makes me less likely to play my less favored modes.
 
ITSMILNER said:
Was just re-watching the Direct, on the section where they mention ‘Large scale paid DLC’ they have a message at the bottom saying ‘full version of Splatoon 3 required to use the DLC’ could this hint towards a F2P version just featuring multiplayer maybe?
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That was there for Octo Expansion, and is there for most of their DLC.
 
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I hope the bow is as fun to use as it looks. I like new weapons. I love the umbrella from 2. Took me a while to get used to it, but I got pretty good with it. I will probably still main the paint brush though. And no, I don't know the names of the weapons. I calls em as I sees em.
 
I never played Splatoon 1, but enjoyed Splatoon 2 with friends and bought Octo-Expansion but haven't played it yet (I'm intimidated by the apparently obscene difficulty haha). I have spent the past... gosh I dunno how many months, waiting for Splatoon 3 to show what really sets it apart. Before today, it came across as more of a season pass kind of thing, not a full-priced numbered sequel, which is why I think a lot of people have been saying "convince me to buy this, Nintendo". I think the needle moved a little more towards "convince" today, but while diehards will eat it up, casual players may not be moved as much as they could've been. I probably will skip this title, or at least wait until the paid DLC comes out.

I think there's a lot of little changes and new aesthetics for it to have its own unique identity from 1 & 2, so the 3 feels justified, imo. However, besides the tri-color splatfests (the rock, paper, scissors bit is funny), I don't really see any new modes that really caught my attention. I was hoping for a new co-op mode, or something bigger than just more levels and refinements or expansions to existing modes. The card game looks like fluff, and not really anything more than a side thing for some people, like Triple Triad in FFXIV.

I'm mixed on the new idols. Big Man is hilarious, but the other two I'm not really feeling. Not a fan of the bulbous baby forehead on Frye. That disturbs me, lmao

Overall I think it looks different enough that I can see why it was numbered 3. Nintendo devs probably felt the amount of fine-tuning and new design aesthetics were enough to push it to a numbered sequel. They teased paid DLC with Pearl and Marina (yessss) so I could see that being Octo Expansion-esque for those wanting more single player (hopefully co-op) content. But I don't think this will do much to convince those who were already on the fence and were hoping for more modes and such. It's more of the same with fine-tuning, which is great for hardcore players, but probably not enough to justify a Day One purchase for others.

Also, can we not rag on other Nintendo franchises like F-Zero, Metroid, Star Fox, etc. because they're not 10+ million sellers? Besides F-Zero, those are primarily single player games. I get the annoyance with people wanting single player content in a multiplayer focused series like Splatoon, but c'mon. It's childish to refer to Nintendo's sci-fi IPs as "Boomer" games that don't sell.

Splatoon has a really cool world and interesting characters, that's why people want single player modes. It's not hard to see why they would prefer that over more multiplayer maps. The main games seem to be more multiplayer-focused and the expansions will be single player-focused. That seems to be their method for now.
 
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Some takes:
  • I think it's poor form to dunk on people disappointed at the small showing of single player today. While Splatoon is obviously marketed as a multiplayer game, everyone chooses what they value about the game and if someone only values the single player experience and is, hence, disappointed, then dunking on them is unnecessary IMO.
  • I dislike how reductive some people are about the changes. Adding new weapons, new skills and (especially) new special moves completely changes the experience of playing the game in a way people are choosing to ignore.
  • I like the updates to Salmon Run. It's kind of insane that the Salmon Run trailer a few Directs back featured only the egg throwing mechanic and not the giant monster battle and that big run or whatever thing that was teased.
  • Finally, it always amuses me how some people are so hell bent on their opinions that they'll reply like 20 times to different people about them. I could never do that lol.
 
Comic Obsessed said:
This is why I said that Scarlet&Violet looked more interesting than Splatoon 3.

(Although that game is also not including the gameplay improvements from Arceus. The Pokemon way again).
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I'm pretty sure SV actually started development before PLA, so that makes sense.

That said, I agree with the take that these comparisons to other sequels are tiring and not helpful. Pokemon is generally headed in a direction I'm pleased with, and I'm not alone in that; the insistence on using other games to make your point is only going to derail things as people find a need to argue for both games. Just say what you're actually disappointed with plainly, and it's a lot harder for people to be upset.

(I'm also fine with Splatoon 3, to be clear)
Raccoon said:
and unlike others I'd even encourage you not to waste your money on it.
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How many times does Plum need to state that what they're lamenting as a lost opportunity isn't enough to deter them from looking forward to the game? Not on a false hope that Nintendo's holding something back, just that the game itself is both satisfactory and less than what was hoped for.

Of course, the issue here might just be Plum taking your call out as directed at them when it may well not have been.

Baobab said:
This 1.3 update for Splatoon looking good!
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Why are we doing sassy one liners on page 17
 
Jersh said:
How many times does Plum need to state that what they're lamenting as a lost opportunity isn't enough to deter them from looking forward to the game? Not on a false hope that Nintendo's holding something back, just that the game itself is both satisfactory and less than what was hoped for.

Of course, the issue here might just be Plum taking your call out as directed at them when it may well not have been.
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I think full price games are too expensive if you're not entirely excited about them, but I suppose that's just me
 
Raccoon said:
to be clear, I think anybody is entitled to shit on something as much as they want

I've personally tried to get away from it as best as I can because I find it so soul crushing (edit: for me, the person doing it, not for others), but it's what forums are for
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I agree with all points made, and probably can do better at ignoring incessant complaining, for my own mental health.
 
I'm confused by the critique of not getting to see more of Splatoon's world.

In Octo Expansion we were confined into a massive subway world that culminated in a "race against time" battle to stop sentient Tar from nuking Inkopolis with the Statue of Liberty.

In Return of the Mammalians, they're setting some kind of new mystery regarding some kind of ooze that turns people into getting mammal features like fur. We've got a baby Salmonid we're helping out for reasons unknown, and we've seen cutscenes like Judd piloting a giant mech. They describe this campaign as the "end of a saga", even though it's clear there's probably going to be more single player campaigns where that came from through DLC.

I might be disappointed about them using Octarians again but the idea that we don't get to see a lot of the Splatoon world is something I can't parse regardless of whether or not they opt against highlighting it the same way they do multiplayer.
 
Raccoon said:
I think full price games are too expensive if you're not entirely excited about them, but I suppose that's just me
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Yeah, I think that's a little black and white. A game that falls short of your expectations can still be one of your favorite games of its time, just depends on what those expectations were and what other things it does well.
 
I dunno why it has to be so complicated, people should be allowed to be as negative as they want or as excited as they want, very few video games in existence had their success determined by discussion on the internet.

Raccoon said:
I think full price games are too expensive if you're not entirely excited about them, but I suppose that's just me
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I actually agree with this, I very rarely buy games day 1 anymore because of it, and with games often released with glaring issues that are patched out there's even less incentive.
 
GriffMendez said:
I agree with all points made, and probably can do better at ignoring incessant complaining, for my own mental health.
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I just send everyone with opinions that bother me* to the ignore list, tbh.

* This is very hard to actually put in concrete specific terms but I'm old and basically past online arguments.
 
Decoyman said:
I'm confused by the critique of not getting to see more of Splatoon's world.

In Octo Expansion we were confined into a massive subway world that culminated in a "race against time" battle to stop sentient Tar from nuking Inkopolis with the Statue of Liberty.

In Return of the Mammalians, they're setting some kind of new mystery regarding some kind of ooze that turns people into getting mammal features like fur. We've got a baby Salmonid we're helping out for reasons unknown, and we've seen cutscenes like Judd piloting a giant mech. They describe this campaign as the "end of a saga", even though it's clear there's probably going to be more single player campaigns where that came from through DLC.

I might be disappointed about them using Octarians again but the idea that we don't get to see a lot of the Splatoon world is something I can't parse regardless of whether or not they opt against highlighting it the same way they do multiplayer.
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Wasn't Octavio piloting the mech? I agree though.
 
GriffMendez said:
I agree with all points made, and probably can do better at ignoring incessant complaining, for my own mental health.
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yeah, I really should've just logged out instead of trying to get people not to fight over it lol

Jersh said:
Yeah, I think that's a little black and white. A game that falls short of your expectations can still be one of your favorite games of its time, just depends on what those expectations were and what other things it does well.
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sure but y'know

like, c'mon, y'know?
 
Legion of Primes said:
Don't really have the best internet and never could get Nintendo games to work on it. So this test if it's on that new online they're doing supposedly works, then I'll try the game

I made the mistake of buying Splatoon 2 digitally and learning it wouldn't work on my internet at all
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I would be among the last to know if this would help, but I believe Monster Hunter Rise and Mario Party Superstars use the new online system. I wonder if you could test your connection with either, if you have them.

Again, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to tech specs and online stuff.
 
Raccoon said:
sure but y'know

like, c'mon, y'know?
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It's hyperbole, but at this point I feel like I have to conclude we're just interpreting Plum's posts entirely differently. I tend to trust people who say they're confident they'll enjoy something.
 
GriffMendez said:
I would be among the last to know if this would help, but I believe Monster Hunter Rise and Mario Party Superstars use the new online system. I wonder if you could test your connection with either, if you have them.

Again, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to tech specs and online stuff.
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I have Mario party and never tested it really. I may have to try that after all.

What other games that do use it?
 
LukasManak22 said:
"but they announced paid DLC before the release" seems like everyone forgot that they announced DLC for BOTW before release too.
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At this point for some people Splatoon 3 is the bitch that can't stop eating crackers, and any detail about the game is grounds for complaining.
 
Raccoon said:
I think full price games are too expensive if you're not entirely excited about them, but I suppose that's just me
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This is so true. I rarely buy games day one anymore if I am not 100% sure that I am enjoying it.
 
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LukasManak22 said:
"but they announced paid DLC before the release" seems like everyone forgot that they announced DLC for BOTW before release too.
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A lot of people's reactions to Nintendo DLC are totally irrational. Like this idea that games should have just have an infinite amount of money and dev resources put into them but still retail for $60 or less, and that even in a case like Splatoon where there's already lots of free post-launch support, charging for a large-scale expansion is an act of unforgiveable evil.
 
Lucyfer said:
I think it's really funny that they improved/added new stuff to EVERYTHING except they don't have a new mode and they didn't show the singleplayer much so suddenly it's bad
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It's not a single-player game, and we don't know if the campaign is lengthier than previous ones, just that it is recommended for new players to utilize it as a tutorial.

The campaign modes have been pretty good, both in the first two base games, and in the Octo-Expansion.
 
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LiC said:
A lot of people's reactions to Nintendo DLC are totally irrational. Like this idea that games should have just have an infinite amount of money and dev resources put into them but still retail for $60 or less, and that even in a case like Splatoon where there's already lots of free post-launch support, charging for a large-scale expansion is an act of unforgiveable evil.
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What's even more irrational (and annoying) is when they complain about future paid DLC and also complain about free post-launch content.
 
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LukasManak22 said:
"but they announced paid DLC before the release" seems like everyone forgot that they announced DLC for BOTW before release too.
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Gonna be a fun day, on here, when the Splatoon 3 DLC is announced, in a future General Direct, as being included in the Expansion Pack, and the arguments about how both paid DLC and the Expansion Pack are money grabs happen. Again.
 
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LukasManak22 said:
But why they changed the classic Splatoon narrator, he was great. We haven't heard him today.
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Lack of Nogami is a valid criticism. I enjoyed the narrator leaving their vocal chords out on the field for THE BIG RUN, but still ... no Squid Research Lab Scientist in a Squid Research Lab Scientist Labcoat? Truly appaling.
 
Sheldon said:
Lack of Nogami is a valid criticism. I enjoyed the narrator leaving their vocal chords out on the field for THE BIG RUN, but still ... no Squid Research Lab Scientist in a Squid Research Lab Scientist Labcoat? Truly appaling.
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before the Direct I kind of had a notion of them breaking character for a bit to give some insights into design motivations but I guess that sort of thing is reserved for their developer interview series
 
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