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StarTopic Nintendo Direct Speculation |ST2| Fami's Summer Gameguess

When will the next Direct air?

  • It's going to be in May! cHaOs!

    Votes: 11 4.3%

  • Patterns, man. 14th of June, 2022. The usual.

    Votes: 211 81.8%

  • Nintendo will be weird again, early July.

    Votes: 23 8.9%

  • Nintendo's Twitter Direct's will be the norm, Septermber 2022.

    Votes: 6 2.3%

  • Geoff the Summerman will add it to Summer Gamefest

    Votes: 7 2.7%
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Personally I would be happy if we got EPD internal titles roughly every 3 to 4 months most years. If Nintendo manage that and keep the subsidiary and contracted support going, then that's excellent as far as I'm concerned, especially in the contemporary environment. The 2019/20 fiscal year is the perfect example of how that can work.

EPD's internal titles were all in different genres and series, and one of them was a new IP, and it was complemented by a line up of external titles that also included new IP (Astral Chain), an IP Nintendo hadn't partnered with before (Marvel), key long running series (Pokemon, Fire Emblem), indie experiments (Cadence of Hyrule) - for me, more than 2017, that's where I want Nintendo's output to be because I think that's more sustainable than loading 5 internal titles into a 7 month period.

It's going to be really interesting, post-June Direct, to see how the fiscal year line up is shaping up.
 
MisterSpo said:
It's going to be really interesting, post-June Direct, to see how the fiscal year line up is shaping up.
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Honestly, this is my biggest mistake in judging the current state of Nintendo development: our perspective will likely be entirely different in less than a month! Nintendo could very well announce a new project from Tokyo and/or a side project from EPD 9, and then I'd have played the fool yet again.
 
You know, sometimes I'm thankful that it took as long for me to get into gaming as it did, because every single re-release is a new game to me. That's why I'm so excited for Windwaker HD and Metroid Prime HD to finally come to Switch. Bring on the ports!
 
Raccoon said:
Honestly, this is my biggest mistake in judging the current state of Nintendo development: our perspective will likely be entirely different in less than a month! Nintendo could very well announce a new project from Tokyo and/or a side project from EPD 9, and then I'd have played the fool yet again.
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I'm sort of in the frame of mind where either Zelda or a different major EPD title make the fiscal year (Mario, DK?), but not both. Not because of development issues, but more because I can see a scenario where Nintendo want to pace those releases a bit more consistently.

Assuming Everybody Switch is a thing that makes it out, that'd put us at 4 internal games plus DLC support for 3 games this fiscal year and, like I said, I suspect/hope that's where Nintendo's internal output is going to land most of the time.
 
frog said:
license for mobile

free the EPD mobile developers up

a more experienced mobile developer could probably make a better and more profitable version of Mario Kart Tour anyway
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I think Tour was intentional given Nintendo's aims for mobile. they didn't want to impede on the main games' gameplay, so they made it a score-attack game. unfortunately, that's what makes it shit. other studios shown you can have your cake and eat it too.

in any case, I'm still gonna try to meme a Hyrule mobile MMO into existence
 
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MisterSpo said:
I'm sort of in the frame of mind where either Zelda or a different major EPD title make the fiscal year (Mario, DK?), but not both. Not because of development issues, but more because I can see a scenario where Nintendo want to pace those releases a bit more consistently.

Assuming Everybody Switch is a thing that makes it out, that'd put us at 4 internal games plus DLC support for 3 games this fiscal year and, like I said, I suspect/hope that's where Nintendo's internal output is going to land most of the time.
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yeah i'm betting zelda is going to be a may or june release
 
I’m a bit confuse in the subject but will thrown in my 2 cents.

-Regarding Nintendo’s pipeline. I can’t see it be anything “shambles”. I can see perhaps certain series having trouble but in reality they have too many IPs succeeding and coming out frequently to qualify it overall. Some IPs in the dust could use some licensing to even out, but perhaps some devs don’t want to work on those IPs or internal interest is low. Plus the big question Nintendo might have if it’s profitable. But that might not matter if certain dead series had a “champion” for them, like Sakamoto for Famicom Detective Club or Miyamoto for Star Fox.

-we spent the last decade learning about crunch, Workload overload, difficulty of development and whatnot. At this point, I really don’t care personally how long a game takes to come out. When it’s ready, it’ll come out. Technically, even when it’s not ready, it’ll come Out and that’s a discussion about releasing unfinished games that can lead to fair and harsh criticism. Nobody really wants to buy a incomplete game. And we seen a few of those on switch already from Nintendo. Tho we have also seen them in pervious consoles.

-outsourcing has been huge for Nintendo for the longest time. Hell, take a look at Fire emblem on the 3DS and you’ll see. No need to even touch Switch line-up. With the growth of social
Media interaction, many are actually seeing how frequently Nintendo gets help from other devs. Happen before switch. Will be ideal to continue during switch.

-But overall all, 1st party wise. It’s the same to me on consoles. Having a DS or GBA type consoles we would get much more games, perhaps due to it being easier to develope for. Now games are standardize to be switch capacity, meaning long time for smaller titles.

tho. In all honestly. It’s not that different then when I was growing up. We got sequels “faster” but the amount of games is about the same overall. Tho I think switch is doing better then Wii or GameCube. GameCube was pretty cool, but a few of those were yearly releases like Mario Party, got like 4 of those bad boys on GameCube lol

All and All, I don’t have the time nor desire to play all the Nintendo games like I did when I was a kid. So unless I pay attention to their release schedule, I would think they have too many games (that I’m interested in playing). However, seeing it with my eyes, you do see an alternating year with Nintendo’s 2017 and 2018 to 2019, etc. tho difficult to see where we would be at if 2020 didn’t happen. Fascinating discussion.

(Excuse my grammar, really sick and to lazy to re-read what I wrote)
 
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Raccoon said:
I used MercurySteam and indieszero as counterexamples. I ought to have refrained from shitting on Nintendo's mobile efforts, but the only points in my original post were Tokyo (3D Mario), Zelda, Metroid Prime 4, and mobile.

I disagree with the assertion that I have softened my stance across these posts. I concede that I've added more context in an effort to better explain my position, but I reject the notion that I have been inconsistent. Despite your fixation on the word "shambles," the rest of my post is full of tempering statements. I say my "guesses" aren't "very positive," recognize that Zelda usually has long development cycles, and very deliberately addressed the successes Nintendo has seen in outsourcing IPs.

My acknowledgment that this site is averse to negativity about Nintendo was not meant as an invitation for you to misconstrue the intent and severity of my statements. Hell, my initial engagement was in response to someone's distress about the state of development, and ends with my stance that the situation will improve.

Finally, I regret not explicitly attributing development problems to COVID in my first post. Kevin's concerns were largely rooted in 2017 games and announcements, so my mind turned immediately to the Metroid Prime 4 situation. I'm sorry to anyone who feels characterizing the state of development at Nintendo negatively without acknowledgement of the pandemic is glib; with that I agree.
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I think we're talking past each other here or I'm not expressing myself correctly. What I meant was basically that this part:
I know people are sick of me saying it, but Nintendo's pipeline is in shambles.
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Is a strong statement that reads to me much more negatively than the rest of your initial post. I can see why someone would take umbrage with that part but not your clarifying statements within said post and your follow-up posts, all of which I think have been fairly reasonable. At least in my experience, it doesn't seem to be that controversial even here that the games you mentioned have taken longer than initially expected.

I thought that the "getting sick" only referred to the "in shambles" part which is why I quoted it separately. I definitely didn't think it referred to everything else. It was really not my intention to misconstrue your posts so apologies.
 
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Dardan Sandiego said:
I think we're talking past each other here or I'm not expressing myself correctly. What I meant was basically that this part:

Is a strong statement that reads to me much more negatively than the rest of your initial post. I can see why someone would take umbrage with that part but not your clarifying statements within said post and your follow-up posts, all of which I think have been fairly reasonable. At least in my experience, it doesn't seem to be that controversial even here that the games you mentioned have taken longer than initially expected.

I thought that the "getting sick" only referred to the "in shambles" part which is why I quoted it separately. I definitely didn't think it referred to everything else. It was relly not my intention to misconstrue your posts so apologies.
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I think I've gone too far in defending the phrase "in shambles" when I really ought to have just rescinded that wording and left my broader point, or perhaps my broader context, to stand on its own. Consider this post my doing so, and thank you for having patience with me lol
 
Dardan Sandiego said:
Yup, time to talk about Star Fox and how it should stay a railshooter. That's one topic we haven't talked about.
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I hope for more nintendo ips handled by western devs. Mario and Rabbids, the advance wars remake (lmfao), Metroid Prime and Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion. I think nintendo is much more open for that to happen than they were in 2010 for example.
 
Mr Doggo said:
I hope for more nintendo ips handled by western devs. Mario and Rabbids, the advance wars remake (lmfao), Metroid Prime and Donkey Kong, Luigi's Mansion. I think nintendo is much more open for that to happen than they were in 2010 for example.
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don't forget Metroid Dread
 
Mr Doggo said:
I do hope MS hasnt been permanently ditched. We know of their issues so i hope they somehow sort that out, it would be pretty sad if we had to wait 18 years to get another 2d metroid game again.
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One thing that’s usually not commented on is that Mercury Steam is not that big and already takes on other contract work and their own games, so it may not possible for them to accept a Metroid game when Nintendo wants it if they don’t have the resources for it. I’d imagine that the next Metroid entry is already planned but for future entries this may be a problem.
 
Mr Doggo said:
I do hope MS hasnt been permanently ditched. We know of their issues so i hope they somehow sort that out, it would be pretty sad if we had to wait 18 years to get another 2d metroid game again.
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Record sales for the series, high critical and fan acclaim, plus awards; zero chance Nintendo drop Mercury Steam. Looking at the issues at NoA, Nintendo don't even have their own house in order, so while crunch culture should be condemned everywhere, I don't see Nintendo dropping that partnership because of the issues there.

If they ignore or allow issues in their own regional hubs, there's nothing suggesting Nintendo won't turn a blind eye to that at external partners. It's shitty, but that's what happens with powerful corporations.
 
LukasManak22 said:
If June Direct passes by and there isn't a game from EPD Tokyo, I will really be like "what the fuck".
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I think that there is a decent chance of that happening if Nintendo is happy with Pokemon as their big holiday game and prefers to keep Mario/DK for the next year (also would be closer to the movie), that means they could still announce it in September, if by September we don't get any trailer or information about the future EPD Tokyo title then we are fucked 😭
 
I low key kinda hate the idea of Nintendo licensing out their IP but for mobile gaming specifically it might actually be a two birds one stone kinda thing.
 
Blue Monty said:
I think that there is a decent chance of that happening if Nintendo is happy with Pokemon as their big holiday game and prefers to keep Mario for the next year, that means they could still announce it in September, if by September we don't get any trailer or information about the future EPD Tokyo title then we are fucked 😭
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I mean at this point when every single Direct is announced and am like it's EPD9 or Tokyo, it's now or never and nothing lol, recently it was "actually yes but no" with Booster Course Pass for EPD9.
 
LukasManak22 said:
I mean at this point when every single Direct is announced and am like it's EPD9 or Tokyo, it's now or never and nothing lol, recently it was "actually yes but no" with Booster Course Pass for EPD9.
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EPD 9 at least has the excuse of Mario Kart Tour, so even if a lot of people seem to disagree with it , they have been doing something. EPD Tokyo outside of one late port which seems NST has done most of the work we have nothing since 2017
 
LukasManak22 said:
If June Direct passes by and there isn't a game from EPD Tokyo, I will really be like "what the fuck".
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I don't know, Nintendo is known for sitting on games. Prime Remake has been finished since December and will be released in October/November.
And if the original team in Tokyo had to split in two to work on 3D and 2D games simultaneously, it's normal that the development time will be longer this time around.
 
Pokémon isn’t the only big holiday game. Last year it was Dread/Mario Party and Pokémon. 2019 was Pokémon and Luigi’s Mansion 3. 2018 was Pokémon and Smash.

There will be another big game + Pokémon this holiday. It’s not Bayonetta 3 or Metroid Prime Remaster.
 
I don't think the future of 2D Metroid hinges on Mercury Steam. The future of the series has always been whether Sakamoto wants to work on the series at the moment. When he does, we get Metroid games. When he doesn't, the series is on pause for a bit until he's ready again.

If/when he decides the time if right for a new Metroid game, I'm sure they'll likely contract Mercury Steam but if not, they will find another developer to work with or make it directly themselves. Mercury Steam did a great job with Samus Returns and Dread but people forget that their Castlevania games were pretty middling outside maybe the original Lord of Shadows. Nintendo probably feels that their own staff can elevate other studios with their involvement.
 
HockeyBird said:
I don't think the future of 2D Metroid hinges on Mercury Steam. The future of the series has always been whether Sakamoto wants to work on the series at the moment. When he does, we get Metroid games. When he doesn't, the series is on pause for a bit until he's ready again.
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Does this mean that once Sakamoto retires there will no new 2D Metroid ? 🤔
We better get a new 2D Metroid fan in the Nintendo EPD director/producer ranks before he retires then
 
MisterSpo said:
Record sales for the series, high critical and fan acclaim, plus awards; zero chance Nintendo drop Mercury Steam. Looking at the issues at NoA, Nintendo don't even have their own house in order, so while crunch culture should be condemned everywhere, I don't see Nintendo dropping that partnership because of the issues there.

If they ignore or allow issues in their own regional hubs, there's nothing suggesting Nintendo won't turn a blind eye to that at external partners. It's shitty, but that's what happens with powerful corporations.
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hah that's so sad! Its depressingly amusing that nintendo being apathic to those problems may lead to 2d metroid still getting games. I mean, MS isnt owned by them but you get what i mean

HockeyBird said:
I don't think the future of 2D Metroid hinges on Mercury Steam. The future of the series has always been whether Sakamoto wants to work on the series at the moment. When he does, we get Metroid games. When he doesn't, the series is on pause for a bit until he's ready again.

If/when he decides the time if right for a new Metroid game, I'm sure they'll likely contract Mercury Steam but if not, they will find another developer to work with or make it directly themselves. Mercury Steam did a great job with Samus Returns and Dread but people forget that their Castlevania games were pretty middling outside maybe the original Lord of Shadows. Nintendo probably feels that their own staff can elevate other studios with their involvement.
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I understand what you re saying, but i dont think sakamoto wanted to wait that long for metroid 6, if MS wasn't available anymore i really do believe we wouldn't get a 2d metroid game soon.
 
Blue Monty said:
Does this mean that once Sakamoto retires there will no new 2D Metroid ? 🤔
We better get a new 2D Metroid fan in the Nintendo EPD director/producer ranks before he retires then
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There's still other staff like Katsuya Yamano, Takehiko Hosokawa, and Fumi Hayashi.
 
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Boring day so I'll add some thoughts on the next Direct:

-I imagine we will get a mainline Direct in June but July is also a possibility. Possible smaller Directs for Pokemon, Splatoon 3, Xenoblade Chronicles 3.
-I would also imagine that Nintendo would at least have a few surprises for the remainder of the year and going into 2023. I can't imagine they announced every one of their 2022 titles in February. There is likely at least a couple titles that they kept secret to be revealed during the summer. I also imagine the Direct will show at least a couple big games coming in 2023.
-I think something Metroid could happen like the Metroid Prime remake. I'm 50/50 on this one. A coin toss essentially.
-A Breath of the Wild sequel trailer I feel is likely but it will likely be another teaser of sorts. No name given.
-I don't think we will get any new Zelda games or ports as much as I really wanted Twilight Princess HD and Wind Waker HD. Doesn't appear to be happening. At least not anytime soon.
-Donkey Kong game is maybe a 50/50 for me.
-No new Mario game though more footage of the new Mario VS Rabbids sequel.
-I feel like a Star Fox title or port is due or Nintendo dipping back into another old franchise but this is basically just guessing. I'm likely to say unlikely for Star Fox or other old franchises that Nintendo has kind of just dropped.
-No mainline Fire Emblem shown. With the warriors style Fire Emblem game coming out this year, I can't imagine Nintendo would announce another mainline one so close to the warriors one. It's rumored to exist so I'm thinking maybe in 2023 for that.
-Silksong is a good 50/50. I imagine it has to resurface eventually. It's been years!
-Advance Wars will likely be a late summer or fall release.
-Direct won't be as exciting as you probably will want as we already know most of the 2022 lineup but there could be a few gems and a couple 2023 game reveals.
 
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Mr Doggo said:
hah that's so sad! Its depressingly amusing that nintendo being apathic to those problems may lead to 2d metroid still getting games. I mean, MS isnt owned by them but you get what i mean


I understand what you re saying, but i dont think sakamoto wanted to wait that long for metroid 6, if MS wasn't available anymore i really do believe we wouldn't get a 2d metroid game soon.
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I think people forget that the reason why Samus Returns was even a thing was because Sakamoto was looking someone to remake one of the Metroid games. He heard about Mercury Steam working on Castlevania games, set up a meeting, and that's how that collaboration got started. He could have worked with Koei Tecmo again or even Intelligent Systems but he chose to look around for a suitable partner. If he wants to make a new Metroid and MS isn't available, he can find a new partner just like he has down in the past.
 
HockeyBird said:
I think people forget that the reason why Samus Returns was even a thing was because Sakamoto was looking someone to remake one of the Metroid games. He heard about Mercury Steam working on Castlevania games, set up a meeting, and that's how that collaboration got started. He could have worked with Koei Tecmo again or even Intelligent Systems but he chose to look around for a suitable partner. If he wants to make a new Metroid and MS isn't available, he can find a new partner just like he has down in the past.
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MercurySteam originally wanted to remake Metroid Fusion instead of Metroid II

Next week is the launch of Metroid: Samus Returns. It’s a remake of Metroid II: Return of Samus, which hit the Game Boy many years ago. Nintendo collaborated with MercurySteam on the project. But interestingly, Metroid II wasn’t MercurySteam’s first choice. Game Informer reports that...
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It seems Mercury Steam was the one who first pitched the idea of a new remake they wanted to remake Fusion though not Metroid II

‘’Game Informer reports that MercurySteam initially pitched Nintendo on potentially remaking Metroid Fusion. Although series producer Yoshio Sakamoto was impressed with the pitch and their passion for Metroid, he said no to revisiting the Game Boy Advance game. Instead, Sakamoto wanted to remake Metroid II.’’
 
I don't even like talking about the challenges to modern game development anymore

all I want to talk about is my staunch belief that the next Nintendo hardware, whatever form it takes, will launch with a new Wave Race as a tech demo

imagine ray traced Wave Race with a live recorded T-SQUARE soundtrack
 
Blue Monty said:
nintendoeverything.com

MercurySteam originally wanted to remake Metroid Fusion instead of Metroid II

Next week is the launch of Metroid: Samus Returns. It’s a remake of Metroid II: Return of Samus, which hit the Game Boy many years ago. Nintendo collaborated with MercurySteam on the project. But interestingly, Metroid II wasn’t MercurySteam’s first choice. Game Informer reports that...
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It seems Mercury Steam was the one who first pitched the idea of a new remake they wanted to remake Fusion though not Metroid II

‘’Game Informer reports that MercurySteam initially pitched Nintendo on potentially remaking Metroid Fusion. Although series producer Yoshio Sakamoto was impressed with the pitch and their passion for Metroid, he said no to revisiting the Game Boy Advance game. Instead, Sakamoto wanted to remake Metroid II.’’
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"Sakamoto had expressed interest in making a new 2D Metroid game, which had not been done since Metroid: Zero Mission (2004), for a few years before the game's development started in 2015.[22] After hearing that MercurySteam, following their involvement with Castlevania: Lords of Shadow – Mirror of Fate (2013), was interested in taking on the challenge of remaking a Metroid game, he visited their studio to organise a collaboration. MercurySteam specifically pitched Nintendo a remake of Metroid Fusion (2002), but Sakamoto instead wanted to recreate Metroid II. "

Unfortunately the original source of the info is a Gameinformer article which isn't online it seems. So it seems it's a mix of both. Sakamoto wanted to make more 2D Metroids. He heard that Mercury Stream wanted to make a Metroid game and set up a meeting.

But my point still stands. The future of 2D Metroid is not dependent on Mercury Steam. Sakamoto is the current driver of the series. He decides when the series gets a new entry and if need be, he'll find a new partner.

Not that this whole conversations really matters. I think it's far too early for people to start panicking over the future of the series.
 
HockeyBird said:
But my point still stands. The future of 2D Metroid is not dependent on Mercury Steam. Sakamoto is the current driver of the series. He decides when the series gets a new entry and if need be, he'll find a new partner.
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While I agree that it doesnt depend on Mercury Steam it does depend on Nintendo finding a partner they want to develop the game for because I don’t think Metroid is returning to Nintendo EPD, so if Mercury Steam can’t do a Metroid game and Nintendo doesn’t find anybody they like to make a game it won’t happen. Mercury Steam gives Metroid a ‘safe’ developer for future entries
 
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