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Spoiler Metroid Dread Spoiler/Story thread (OPEN SPOILERS)

Something I've been wondering - was Quiet Robe's final act a means of giving Samus some semblance of control over her Metroid abilities, or was this Sakamoto's way of putting Samus back to normal and keeping this plot point as a one-off? I don't think we can really tell from what we were given in the game; we'll have to wait for an interview or quite possibly the next game (hopefully sooner rather than later!).

Hell, maybe he hasn't decided himself yet and kept it vague so he could decide later.

Heron said:
It's nonsense, and the whole game is full of this nonsense, right up to the very last moment when Quiet Robe is somehow able to act as himself despite being an X - something that nothing in the series has ever suggested is possible.
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I wouldn't have minded this - if it was all we saw Quiet Robe-X do. But taken in conjunction with him reactivating the E.M.M.I., I don't like it, even if he was echoing his final words to Samus as he did so. Why was he acting against her then, but not at the end? It doesn't make sense.

Linkstrikesback said:
Now that's something I disagree with. Samus does ponder whether the X are capable of rational thought in the fusion briefly, but discards the idea because she's gonna kill them all anyway.

The X are however, absolutely capable of sentience if they've infected a host that had that similar level of intelligence. First, the SA-X understanding and sacrificing itself at the end of fusion to give Samus the ice beam in order to defeat a omega Metroid shows they do have a quite high level of intelligence, though at the time, you could have maybe argued that's self preservation more than anything.

During the story, it's a big point that the way that the X infiltrated ZDR in the first place is that one of the soldiers were replaced with an X clone and they got in that way. If they were immediately violent and/or incapable of following the behaviour of their host to a significant degree, that wouldn't have worked.

Indeed, that the X forms of all the wildlife replicate their original behaviours so thoroughly suggests that's the case for them infecting most creatures. We just never really see many infected creatures that have any reason to be anything but extremely hostile to samus. The particularly intelligent ones we know of, like Kraid, Ridley, Samus Aran-X were m mostly hostile to her in the first place. Samus Aran X is literally a clone of a person who often explodes entire planets in order to wipe out whole species that are a danger to her, after all.

Quiet robe is probably the only person shown infected on screen that would try and search for something other than violence as a situations immediate solution, so it's not that surprising that they behave differently to everyone else shown infected.
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On one hand, I agree with these points. But again, reactivating the E.M.M.I goes against this. What would drive him to do so? All they're doing is hunting Samus. That moment struck me as the X continuing to fear Samus, as they had previously in Fusion - where they also demonstrated remarkable cunning and an almost hive-mind like level of coordination. It wouldn't surprise me to see the X collectively try to eliminate the only real threat to them by activating the E.M.M.I.

So why does Quiet Robe-X do this, only to sacrifice itself for Samus later? Is it working against her or not?
 
The only thing I find funny is his name. Raven Beak. I get what they’re going for (I think), but that name is just funny.
 
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Jimmy Joe said:
I assumed that Raven Beak's plan was to put Samus through the ringer in specific hopes that the trials would further awaken her abilities. In fact, he kind of says as much in his last speech as Adam, right? Everything up to that point was according to his plan, and her going Metroid on the final E.M.M.I. was the realization of it

It's also why he bothers fighting her instead of just using his overwhelming, superior power (because his suit draws power directly from his starship, rather than being self-contained like Samus's suit)—he wants to see if she'll awaken even furhter. Whoops!

The reason he did this is that he needed to see what kind of stimulus is necessary to awaken her Metroid powers. Once he did that, he could replicate that stimulus for her clones. It's why he didn't kill her right at the jump and take her DNA then—she was an invaluable test subject who would teach him how to train and raise his invincible army
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This explanation works for me, thank you.
Phendrift said:
Really all of them were X ified except Kraid and Drogyga.

Kraid should’ve been a cool optional fight or something
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I was pretty disappointed with the way Kraid died, he just sunk into 5 feet of lava that he was already standing in. I was sure we'd fight him again later.
 
Jersh said:
I wouldn't have minded this - if it was all we saw Quiet Robe-X do. But taken in conjunction with him reactivating the E.M.M.I., I don't like it, even if he was echoing his final words to Samus as he did so. Why was he acting against her then, but not at the end? It doesn't make sense.
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That is indeed one of the game's greatest mysteries. Did Quiet Robe X sacrifice itself so that at least some part of the X species could live on, even if it was integrated into Samus? Did Quiet Robe's thoughts and memories finally manage to sway the X in the end? Was the X somehow recognizing Victory on the planet and willing surrendering to her? We just don't know. I actually find that mystery pretty compelling myself.

I will say this though-exploding planets can make great motivators for changing one's mind.
 
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Here's my theory on the whole Quiet Robe X stuff from the OT
Subnats said:
Been thinking more about the ending and there's one thing I didn't quite think made complete sense but I think I've got a theory for it.

So the X Parasite Quiet Robe showing up and just giving himself up to Samus seemed pretty odd to me. Going back to Fusion's intro though, it seemingly takes much longer for an X to take over more sentient beings considering Samus was able to finish her mission on SR388 and the Galactic Federation had enough time to create a vaccine before she was completely infected. So I'm thinking rather than Quiet Robe somehow managing to take control from the X, or the X being influenced by his memories, that he instead had essentially been temporarily revived by it and by the end had still not fully succumb to its infection.

I'm probably completely wrong here but it does make a little bit more sense to me.
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Still leaves the whole reactivaring the EMMIs thing up in the air though.
 
Personally i think Quiet Robe overtook the x we do know ghosts exist in metroid universe so his spirit or will overtaking a x is not that far fetched. Especially since he can controll metroids. So when the x digged deeper into Quiet Robe he probably overtook the X.

Mostly because he litetally bows to Samus and looks benolevent to her in his x form as if he made peace with her.

The putting back the emmi's on probably was because it was the last memory so when the x overtook he did the same action.

So yh it's either his spirit or the X literally became him a exact copy/clone and gained compassion because Quiet Robe seemed like a very compassionate chozo.

It was really cool and hype that they added in the chozo in this story and that it revolved around them aswell. Finally seeing one midgame was mindblowing. Especially as a long time fan.

Hopefully in future games we will find the refugees someday or a chozo city/village they are not extinct alot of them died but some survived so im sure there must be a colony somewhere in the galaxy.

I wonder if prime 4 will have chozo involved i doubt it outside the regular lore theyll add but yeah.

But dang metroid 6 is gonna be awesome especially if they let us use her metroid powers like a drvil trigger or a kingdom hearts like limited time form. The escape sequence being all overpowered was awesome.

Also the Metroid memes are canon now lol kinda.
 
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Jersh said:
On one hand, I agree with these points. But again, reactivating the E.M.M.I goes against this. What would drive him to do so? All they're doing is hunting Samus. That moment struck me as the X continuing to fear Samus, as they had previously in Fusion - where they also demonstrated remarkable cunning and an almost hive-mind like level of coordination. It wouldn't surprise me to see the X collectively try to eliminate the only real threat to them by activating the E.M.M.I.

So why does Quiet Robe-X do this, only to sacrifice itself for Samus later? Is it working against her or not?
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It's always going to be a bit vague since we won't (thankfully) be getting a text/dialogue heavy metroid to cover exactly what the X were thinking, I think the vagueness is great though, lets discussion happen. Personally, I would like to think they the X are capable of sentience but it takes them time to absorb more complex beings and gain an understanding of their new hosts.
Subnats said:
Here's my theory on the whole Quiet Robe X stuff from the OT

Still leaves the whole reactivaring the EMMIs thing up in the air though.
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I think the major argument against them only partially controlling for a time (dead) people is just how quickly they can take over other creatures, including particularly Neo Ridley didn't seem to have much control, but then that could easily be retconned because it is a two decade old game.
 
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Skittzo said:
This explanation works for me, thank you.

I was pretty disappointed with the way Kraid died, he just sunk into 5 feet of lava that he was already standing in. I was sure we'd fight him again later.
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I'm glad you like that explanation! It's definitely the one I prefer

And Kraid-X is there, in the game! He's part of stage 4 of the final battle
 
Jimmy Joe said:
I'm glad you like that explanation! It's definitely the one I prefer

And Kraid-X is there, in the game! He's part of stage 4 of the final battle
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For some reason I didn't quite see Kraid in that but I'll have to look again.
 
Skittzo said:
For some reason I didn't quite see Kraid in that but I'll have to look again.
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Yeah, the final X creature Raven Beak turns into is a mix of him, Kraid and Experiment Z-57. The implication here is that when beat Experiment Z-57 X and the X core it turns into falls into the lava, it survived and found Kraid's remains, absorbing them. Then it shows up in the end to absorb Raven Beak.
 
The X have acted as a means for Samus to absorb new powers ever since Fusion, that's the entire concept behind the Core X. Metroid is one of those sci-fi settings where genetic information is also encoded with experience, memories, abilities, etc. And Metroids change, genetically, based on what they eat! Does ti make sense? I mean, not really. But it's been like this for about 20 years, so it's not new

With regard to Quiet Robe reactivating the E.M.M.I.

I think it's worth remembering that the Chozo are psychic, and in fact have always been psychic. It allows the Thoha to control the Metroids, it meant that the Thoha weren't immediately attacked by the X on SR-388, it's how Mother Brain controls life on Zebes, and it allows Raven Beak to control the X!

And yes, it's subtle, but Raven Beak does control the X. It's why the X-ified Chozo Soldiers still obey him and specifically act as his guards. The other possible explanation is that the underlying consciousness of the guards persists, but the two aren't mutually exclusive, either

The way I see it, there's two possible explanations for why Quiet Robe would reactivate the E.M.M.I.

1. Between Quiet Robe's death and resurrection, things have changed a lot. Samus is going to need the power that each E.M.M.I. houses, so even though it's going to be dangerous, the only way to force her to interact with them is to wake them up and put her into direct conflict with them

2. Quiet Robe was under Raven Beak's control when he did this, and behaves differently in the ending because Raven Beak lost control of the X—including Quiet Robe—when Samus grabbed hold of him and destroyed the information network. So at about the same time an X decided it was time to absorb Raven Beak (some time before it actually happens!), Quiet Robe would have also been freed from that control, and rushed to help Samus

Either explanation feels cogent enough to me
 
Not sure if anybody mentioned this, but after the credits and the screen with the play time, I got a full screen artwork with the logo of Metroid Zero Mission. Why?
 
Smilator said:
Not sure if anybody mentioned this, but after the credits and the screen with the play time, I got a full screen artwork with the logo of Metroid Zero Mission. Why?
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It's a completion bonus. I think it's tied into play time-beat the game fast enough to unlock all the pieces of artwork based on the previous mainline Metroid games. I managed to unlock both Zero Mission and Samus Returns myself, and am probably going to go back to try to get the others.
 
GoGoDezmo said:
It's a completion bonus. I think it's tied into play time-beat the game fast enough to unlock all the pieces of artwork based on the previous mainline Metroid games. I managed to unlock both Zero Mission and Samus Returns myself, and am probably going to go back to try to get the others.
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Oh gotcha, I must have sucked hard to get just one artwork.
 
Smilator said:
Oh gotcha, I must have sucked hard to get just one artwork.
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Quasi said:
They only count the time. So if you bothered to search for secrets or completed it 100% you're bound to just get the one on your first run.
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also some of the pictures are based on completion time in both normal AND hard mode so yea for most you are only gonna get one or two on the first run.
 
So Nintendo seems to have a thing for final bosses turning into gigantic monsters that look super threatening only to not be a problem at all. Looking at you, Beast Ganon and Raven Beak X.
 
Pandora said:
also some of the pictures are based on completion time in both normal AND hard mode so yea for most you are only gonna get one or two on the first run.
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In my 2 runs (normal and hard) I got Zero Mission, Other M and Fusion. What's a guy gotta do to get Super?
 
Red Monster said:
So Nintendo seems to have a thing for final bosses turning into gigantic monsters that look super threatening only to not be a problem at all. Looking at you, Beast Ganon and Raven Beak X.
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Yeah I had beaten Raven Beak and thought, "oh that wasn't so bad, maybe people were overreacting" and then I saw that and said "ooooh here's the real phase 2" but... nope. Just a callback to the EMMIs.
 
Skittzo said:
In my 2 runs (normal and hard) I got Zero Mission, Other M and Fusion. What's a guy gotta do to get Super?
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I think you basically get all by beating normal mode and hard mode in sub 4 hours . so i think the marks for pics are like any completion, sub 8 and sub 4.
 
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Skittzo said:
Yeah I had beaten Raven Beak and thought, "oh that wasn't so bad, maybe people were overreacting" and then I saw that and said "ooooh here's the real phase 2" but... nope. Just a callback to the EMMIs.
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I was thinking “oh shit it’s REAL now, let’s go!” And then you don’t even fight it and it was kind of disappointing.

The chase sequence after was probably the best in Metroid history, combined with Samus’ Metroid form being hype as fuck, so on the whole I was very pleased. But I wanted to fight the big X dammit!
 
Red Monster said:
I was thinking “oh shit it’s REAL now, let’s go!” And then you don’t even fight it and it was kind of disappointing.

The chase sequence after was probably the best in Metroid history, combined with Samus’ Metroid form being hype as fuck, so on the whole I was very pleased. But I wanted to fight the big X dammit!
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At the very least it should’ve been a Mother Brain-like segment where it’s still a guaranteed win but you are in control.

Such a cool design but you see it for like less than 5 seconds!
 
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Just completed the game. Samus being all green was kinda cool lol. The cutscenes in this game is honestly amazing. Took me 9 hours to complete with 50% done. Final boss was very satisfying to adapt and beat.
 
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It's a full story moment to start killing Metroids and then become one! An old concept but I think it works.
 
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WonderLuigi said:
It's a full story moment to start killing Metroid and then become one! An old concept but I think it works.
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I'm really curious to know if that was what Sakamoto intended for the series from the beginning.

Considering "Metroid" was a portmanteau of "Metro Android" so maybe the intent was always for Samus to be a Metroid.
 
Jimmy Joe said:
The X have acted as a means for Samus to absorb new powers ever since Fusion, that's the entire concept behind the Core X. Metroid is one of those sci-fi settings where genetic information is also encoded with experience, memories, abilities, etc. And Metroids change, genetically, based on what they eat! Does ti make sense? I mean, not really. But it's been like this for about 20 years, so it's not new

With regard to Quiet Robe reactivating the E.M.M.I.

I think it's worth remembering that the Chozo are psychic, and in fact have always been psychic. It allows the Thoha to control the Metroids, it meant that the Thoha weren't immediately attacked by the X on SR-388, it's how Mother Brain controls life on Zebes, and it allows Raven Beak to control the X!

And yes, it's subtle, but Raven Beak does control the X. It's why the X-ified Chozo Soldiers still obey him and specifically act as his guards. The other possible explanation is that the underlying consciousness of the guards persists, but the two aren't mutually exclusive, either

The way I see it, there's two possible explanations for why Quiet Robe would reactivate the E.M.M.I.

1. Between Quiet Robe's death and resurrection, things have changed a lot. Samus is going to need the power that each E.M.M.I. houses, so even though it's going to be dangerous, the only way to force her to interact with them is to wake them up and put her into direct conflict with them

2. Quiet Robe was under Raven Beak's control when he did this, and behaves differently in the ending because Raven Beak lost control of the X—including Quiet Robe—when Samus grabbed hold of him and destroyed the information network. So at about the same time an X decided it was time to absorb Raven Beak (some time before it actually happens!), Quiet Robe would have also been freed from that control, and rushed to help Samus

Either explanation feels cogent enough to me
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Second explanation is perfect IMO.
Skittzo said:
I'm really curious to know if that was what Sakamoto intended for the series from the beginning.

Considering "Metroid" was a portmanteau of "Metro Android" so maybe the intent was always for Samus to be a Metroid.
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I think that's very possible. Of course we can't trust him if he ever does an interview saying he has intented this form the beginning, though. It's a great moment of culmination for the story.
 
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Kano said:
How did a bird give birth to a blondie???
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Bird did not give birth to blondie. "Blondie"'s parents got killed, birds adopted her and infused her with DNA to survive their planet, raised her to become a warrior.

One of the DNA donors simply refers to Samus as "his daughter".
 
SiG said:
Bird did not give birth to blondie. "Blondie"'s parents got killed, birds adopted her and infused her with DNA to survive their planet, raised her to become a warrior.

One of the DNA donors simply refers to Samus as "his daughter".
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Samus has three dads who are also birds

That's a lotta bird dads
 
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Jimmy Joe said:
Samus has three dads who are also birds

That's a lotta bird dads
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"Bird is the word"

Jersh said:
Something I've been wondering - was Quiet Robe's final act a means of giving Samus some semblance of control over her Metroid abilities, or was this Sakamoto's way of putting Samus back to normal and keeping this plot point as a one-off? I don't think we can really tell from what we were given in the game; we'll have to wait for an interview or quite possibly the next game (hopefully sooner rather than later!).

Hell, maybe he hasn't decided himself yet and kept it vague so he could decide later.


I wouldn't have minded this - if it was all we saw Quiet Robe-X do. But taken in conjunction with him reactivating the E.M.M.I., I don't like it, even if he was echoing his final words to Samus as he did so. Why was he acting against her then, but not at the end? It doesn't make sense.


On one hand, I agree with these points. But again, reactivating the E.M.M.I goes against this. What would drive him to do so? All they're doing is hunting Samus. That moment struck me as the X continuing to fear Samus, as they had previously in Fusion - where they also demonstrated remarkable cunning and an almost hive-mind like level of coordination. It wouldn't surprise me to see the X collectively try to eliminate the only real threat to them by activating the E.M.M.I.

So why does Quiet Robe-X do this, only to sacrifice itself for Samus later? Is it working against her or not?
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From what I understand, Thoha DNA have the means to control Metroids, with Mawkin DNA causing them to get aggressive. Quiet Robe-X offering himself to Samus as a means to control her Metroid side could be seen as two things:

  1. The X within Quiet Robe, using his ability to control Metroid, instinctively wanting to put a "leash" on Samus' berserk Metroid powers as a means of survival.
  2. The X, having gained knowledge from Quiet Robe, realizes there's an even greater threat out there in the galaxy that even the X aren't able to handle.

At least, that was my takeaway from it.

As for reactivating the EMMI, I do believe QR-X knew that Samus would ultimately grow stronger as a result of being able to take them down, and subsequently Raven Beak for that matter. It does seem surprising that a single Chozo was able to contain the X to one area of ZDR when it could've been easily overrun, so the X seeing Raven Beak as an actual threat would also make sense (hence why it possesses him the very first chance they get, which is when he's in a completely weakened state).

Red Monster said:
I was thinking “oh shit it’s REAL now, let’s go!” And then you don’t even fight it and it was kind of disappointing.

The chase sequence after was probably the best in Metroid history, combined with Samus’ Metroid form being hype as fuck, so on the whole I was very pleased. But I wanted to fight the big X dammit!
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I'll admit, by that time I was getting tiried of trying to reach Raven Beak's 3rd Phase, so I found that moment a bit of a reprieve. Plus I also think that moment was really meant to show how overpoweringly dangerously broken Metroid Samus' abilities are, to the point she can't even take off from her ship.

The countdown sequence was great, though.
 
I said it on the other site but what I like about Quiet Robe X is that it adds an ambiguity to the parasites that we didn't have before. Which I'm always fond of in Sci-fi stories. The parasites tend to bleed a bit more into the horror space and we have many anecdotes in universe on how they should work. But right at the very end of Dread, Quite Robe X does an action that really we shouldn't be seeing if previous interpretations of the parasite are correct. Yet still he helps us and saves us right at the end.

It adds a grey zone to the parasites that they lacked before. Similar to how the Metroids have the baby Metroid that Samus saved acting in ways that are different then excepted. A great way for the writers to get players to step back and go "huh maybe we didn't understand them as much as we thought" as you watch the planet explode.
 
SiG said:
  1. The X within Quiet Robe, using his ability to control Metroid, instinctively wanting to put a "leash" on Samus' berserk Metroid powers as a means of survival.
  2. The X, having gained knowledge from Quiet Robe, realizes there's an even greater threat out there in the galaxy that even the X aren't able to handle.
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I go for these, and add in the final thing of QR wanting to finally do one last thing to "make amends".

After all, he and his tribe failed to curb the Metroids on SR388, and in doing so, set the stage for all the strife that would affect the galaxy for ages. Then here comes Raven Beak, who awakened Samus's Metroid potential on purpose, and without her having any chance to be offered any guidance or insight on how to fully control those powers.

The least he could do, through his conscience affecting the X, was give Samus a chance to learn to control those powers properly via giving her another shot of Thoha.
 
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One thing I want to see explored in the next core Metroid is the Metroid powers and suit. Will Samus be able to control these powers? Because being able to absord energy of beings is a insane power-up. I also want to know how the Galactic Federation will act upon the finding of Samus being a "Human" x Chozo x Metroid x "X" now.
 
So do we think the planet exploding killed all of the X? And now they're fully extinct, just like the Metroids (sans Samus)?

And what exactly caused the planet to explode anyway, beyond Metroid series tradition? Did Raven Beak somehow tie his ship into the thermal energy systems in the planet?

Ghostsonplanets said:
Because being able to absord energy of beings is a insane power-up.
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She's basically become Kirby.

Or Megaman.
 
Skittzo said:
So do we think the planet exploding killed all of the X? And now they're fully extinct, just like the Metroids (sans Samus)?

And what exactly caused the planet to explode anyway, beyond Metroid series tradition? Did Raven Beak somehow tie his ship into the thermal energy systems in the planet?


She's basically become Kirby.

Or Megaman.
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I mean yes but given that "X disguised as a common soldier until it was on a new planet" is now a legit way for the X to move, its rather easy to bring back the X if needed.

As for the planet exploding, it's not clear but I just assumed Raven Beak had self-destruct codes ready the second Samus was on the ship. I mean, even if Samus agreed to be Raven Bird's perfect soldier there's nothing on ZDR for him and it's overrun by the X parasites. Blow up the one thing he cannot control and move on.

Also, one thing I really like is that the Chozo language appears to be a "real" language with rules



Always love conlang. Now Metroid fans can compete with Klingon and Mando'n languages!
 
xaszatm said:
I mean yes but given that "X disguised as a common soldier until it was on a new planet" is now a legit way for the X to move, its rather easy to bring back the X if needed.

As for the planet exploding, it's not clear but I just assumed Raven Beak had self-destruct codes ready the second Samus was on the ship. I mean, even if Samus agreed to be Raven Bird's perfect soldier there's nothing on ZDR for him and it's overrun by the X parasites. Blow up the one thing he cannot control and move on.

Also, one thing I really like is that the Chozo language appears to be a "real" language with rules



Always love conlang. Now Metroid fans can compete with Klingon and Mando'n languages!
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I feel like they had to reverse engineer a language around the word "Metroid" considering that originally meant "Metro Android" and not "Ultimate Warrior".
 
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It sure is easy to kill the big X cores after bosses in Dread. In Fusion the cores were a legitimate threat - I died multiple times to them even after defeating the boss. But here in Dread, they’re a bit of a joke and they stand no chance of really even touching you.
 
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I wonder if Kraid in this game was the Kraid or just a Kraid. Seems unlikely he would have a.) survived his defeat by Samus. b.) survived the destruction of Zebes or was somehow evacuated before it's destruction, and c.) was somehow transported to ZDR for some reason.
 
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