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Discussion Switch 2's DLSS implementation code has been stolen/leaked from NVidia

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Iā€™m mostly curious about the exclusive games that are supposedly coming. Because if itā€™s like the New 3DS than there wonā€™t be any reason to upgrade other than the 4K graphics.
 
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MondoMega said:
They're only allowed to call it Super Nintendo Switch if the new controllers have coloured face buttons.

Even then i'd prefer the coloured face buttons with a better name.
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Sam Albro said:
Allocation of resources. Teams that are working on Switch games are teams that aren't available to work on the graphical showcase games that justify new hardware.
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Why wouldnā€™t/couldnā€™t a Nintendo game released in 2025/2026 still run on the Lite and OLED Switch?

Every DLSS Switch Nintendo game is still going to have to target 540p-720p rendering gaming profiles.
 
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My Tulpa said:
Why wouldnā€™t/couldnā€™t a Nintendo game released in 2025/2026 still run on the Lite and OLED Switch?

Every DLSS Switch Nintendo game is still going to have to target 540p-720p rendering gaming profiles.
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If this is a "Switch Pro," it could. If this is a "Switch 2," it would be like running a PS4 game on a PS3- powered system.
 
End of 2023, early 2024. They don't really need a new model for the next 12 months, and so far, they've been releasing new switch models every 2 years-ish. As this is a bigger increment, I'm expecting March 2024.
 
Sam Albro said:
If this is a "Switch Pro," it could. If this is a "Switch 2," it would be like running a PS4 game on a PS3- powered system.
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If the 4K Switch devkits developers have had since 2020 and if the 2022/2023 games they are developing for it are supposed to be a ā€œSwitch 2ā€, that would be a shorter lifecycle than your conventional hardwareā€¦not a uniquely longer lifecycle.

In your ps4 example, Sony was already talking about the ps4 lifecycle coming to a close 4.5 years inā€¦saying itā€™s entering its final phase.

5 years in Nintendo is talking about greater growth next year, about lifecycle lengthening measures, about adding more to the Switch family of devices, contemplating still indefinite lifespan markers.

This is quite a bit different than the ps4 lifecycle and how the companies addressed them.

Whatever models Nintendo releases in the next 1-2 years are meant to lengthen the engagement of Switch gaming for the next ~4 years or so. Not act as a successor and slowly cut off the support of current model gamers. Exactly how the ps4 pro and Xbox one X were explained to function as.

Nintendo doesnā€™t care if you play their big 2026 game on your 2022 DLSS Switch or your 2019 Lite Switch.

Some 3rd party devs will probably try and focus on the DLSS only for some titles, sure, but there is no reason they should do that imo
 
Ozeiyo said:
It's coming late 2020, early 2021 as reports have always suggested.
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TBH, I'm ready. I've saved up and I'm feeling like I need some new tech in my home ^^... I'm only scared about transferring my data (ACNH-Island).
 
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Simba1 said:
To be fair, Nate said that launch window is from late 2022. to 1H 2023, and Grubb recently said that he dont expect it before 2024,
also Nikkei wasnt most accurate when comes to time of release.
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You mean, nobody outside of Nintendo knows? Shocking!!
 
Simba1 said:
To be fair, Nate said that launch window is from late 2022. to 1H 2023, and Grubb recently said that he dont expect it before 2024,
also Nikkei wasnt most accurate when comes to time of release.
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Tbh, I don't think Grubb knows a great deal about this. Nate and Mochi are the only ones with direct sources. Both were informed that exclusive games are coming for a "pro" version soon and Mochi even doubled down on this recently by saying they're coming this fall. Don't forget Totilo's RDR2 for Pro rumor.
 
9-Volt said:
Tbh, I don't think Grubb knows a great deal about this. Nate and Mochi are the only ones with direct sources. Both were informed that exclusive games are coming for a "pro" version soon and Mochi even doubled down on this recently by saying they're coming this fall. Don't forget Totilo's RDR2 for Pro rumor.
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In that case people should not mention Grubb like source for release period, especially because recently he said he now belives it will not be launched before 2024.
And Nate said that last hardware release plan he heard was from end of this year into 1H of 2023. while devs were told earlier to aim end of 2022. with exclusive games.

When Mochi double down his claims, do you have maybe link?
 
Whenever this comes out I hope it's Switch 2, that they don't feel the need to make new games support OG Switch, but that Switch 2 is backwards compatible.

I don't believe in any insider predictions on timeframe, because we've seen again and again how changeable dates are, or that insiders were just plain wrong.
 
neil said:
Whenever this comes out I hope it's Switch 2, that they don't feel the need to make new games support OG Switch, but that Switch 2 is backwards compatible.

I don't believe in any insider predictions on timeframe, because we've seen again and again how changeable dates are, or that insiders were just plain wrong.
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Until new Switch hardware get released, there will be at least 110-120m users of current models with point that some of current models will continue selling,
so its quite safe to say that 90% of new games will be cross gen at least for 2 years, even Sony is doing that.
 
Simba1 said:
Until new Switch hardware get released, there will be at least 110-120m users of current models with point that some of current models will continue selling,
so its quite safe to say that 90% of new games will be cross gen at least for 2 years, even Sony is doing that.
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That's totally fine, my hope is just that cross-gen won't be mandatory for all games
 
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Simba1 said:
To be fair, Nate said that launch window is from late 2022. to 1H 2023, and Grubb recently said that he dont expect it before 2024,
also Nikkei wasnt most accurate when comes to time of release.
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I acknowledged what Nate has said about it possibly slipping to 2023, yes. Grubb doesn't expect it before 2024, but he still reported that he heard it was planned for 2022. Just that he doesn't necessarily believe it.

When has Nikkei been inaccurate?
 
Skittzo said:
I acknowledged what Nate has said about it possibly slipping to 2023, yes. Grubb doesn't expect it before 2024, but he still reported that he heard it was planned for 2022. Just that he doesn't necessarily believe it.

When has Nikkei been inaccurate?
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Well your hole post was sounding like all those sources saying only 2022.
Point that Grubb now thinks that will not be released before 2024. tells a lot, because before that he was saying 2022.

Talking about Nikke, talking about those pre pre-OLED launch rumors from them.
 
Simba1 said:
In that case people should not mention Grubb like source for release period, especially because recently he said he now belives it will not be launched before 2024.
And Nate said that last hardware release plan he heard was from end of this year into 1H of 2023. while devs were told earlier to aim end of 2022. with exclusive games.

When Mochi double down his claims, do you have maybe link?
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Here. He avoided mentioning "Pro" as it blew when OLED was revealed last year:
and more than 10 outside developers told Bloomberg News last year that they are preparing major games for the five-year-old platform this year.
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Mochi said the same thing last year but claimed that they target the Pro version. It seems these games are delayed to 2022 along with Pro.
 
Simba1 said:
Well your hole post was sounding like all those sources saying only 2022.
Point that Grubb now thinks that will not be released before 2024. tells a lot, because before that he was saying 2022.

Talking about Nikke, talking about those pre pre-OLED launch rumors from them.
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I didn't phrase it like they only said 2022, just that all of those sources last reported hearing 2022 was the plan. Which is accurate.

I don't remember Nikkei being wrong on any pre-OLED rumors, you might be thinking of Bloomberg.
 
Sol said:
That's what I've been wondering. This device will contain an Ampere GPU, but Nvidia is releasing the Lovelace GPUs this year. 2024 will presumably have another new architecture.

This thing will be outdated (for a new device) if it releases in 2024.
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Well we don't really know what Lovelace entails. Pascal was essentially a die-shrunken Maxwell with a few bits bolted on (indeed, the Tegra X1 was essentially the first Pascal device, despite being initially called a Maxwell chip).

And we know that Switch 2 is not using a standard off-the-shelf "Orin" part; but rather a custom variant. "Drake" could essentially already be amongst the first Lovelace chips for all we know, especially if it ends up being a 5nm chip. All we know is that Ampere is the minimum that Switch 2 is aiming for, and that's massively exciting already! Nintendo could've cheaped out and gone with Turing, but to know that we're getting Ampere at the minimum bodes very well for the performance of this device! :D
 
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tender said:
i really hope its not this year tbh. switch still looks good and just got an oled.

i mean i'll probably buy it if it happens, i hope it's 2023 though.
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It won't be 2023. It's either this year or 2024 IMO, it makes no sense to release it next year unless BOTW2 gets delayed. All the big hitters are coming this year.
 
Skittzo said:
I didn't phrase it like they only said 2022, just that all of those sources last reported hearing 2022 was the plan. Which is accurate.

I don't remember Nikkei being wrong on any pre-OLED rumors, you might be thinking of Bloomberg.
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You wrote: "FYI the current rumors say it's planned for late 2022", and on question "What rumors would these be?", you wrote "Nate, Bloomberg, Grubb, I believe Nikkei also said this".
So you mention only 2022.

Yeah, I probable meant Bloomberg.
 
IF it's planned for this year, let's see what happens in April once FY22 starts. I think March 2023 is a lock if the release is that imminent.

Sol said:
That's what I've been wondering. This device will contain an Ampere GPU, but Nvidia is releasing the Lovelace GPUs this year. 2024 will presumably have another new architecture.

This thing will be outdated (for a new device) if it releases in 2024.
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I've seen the "outdated" take a few times and I never understand it. Does it matter if the tech is outdated if the games are good/look good with art designs that work for the hardware? The same "outdated" tech the Switch launched with runs some wonderful-looking games even 5 years later.
 
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Simba1 said:
You wrote: "FYI the current rumors say it's planned for late 2022", and on question "What rumors would these be?", you wrote "Nate, Bloomberg, Grubb, I believe Nikkei also said this".
So you mention only 2022.

Yeah, I probable meant Bloomberg.
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And the current rumors do say it's planned for late 2022... all of the current rumors say that's the plan. And there's a chance it can slip to 2023, but the plan is late 2022.

I fail to see where I misled anyone.
 
9-Volt said:
Here. He avoided mentioning "Pro" as it blew when OLED was revealed last year:

Mochi said the same thing last year but claimed that they target the Pro version. It seems these games are delayed to 2022 along with Pro.
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Its interesting that he didnt use at least phrase "stronger" Switch.
For most people that didnt look at past reports, there is nothing here that suggests stronger hardware at all, just major for this year.
 
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Skittzo said:
And the current rumors do say it's planned for late 2022... all of the current rumors say that's the plan. And there's a chance it can slip to 2023, but the plan is late 2022.

I fail to see where I misled anyone.
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Nate yesterday:

"I mean, expectations based on a Bloomberg report citing sources and me hearing devs are targeting games for Switch 4K/DLSS by late 2022/early 2023 could certainly be considered "rumor" in some circles.

And before anyone asks: no, I haven't heard anything new. Everything remains as it did several months ago. Dev kits are out, software is in active development, and late 2022/early 2023 remains the window."
 
Simba1 said:
Nate yesterday:

"I mean, expectations based on a Bloomberg report citing sources and me hearing devs are targeting games for Switch 4K/DLSS by late 2022/early 2023 could certainly be considered "rumor" in some circles.

And before anyone asks: no, I haven't heard anything new. Everything remains as it did several months ago. Dev kits are out, software is in active development, and late 2022/early 2023 remains the window."
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He's referring to what he previously said, which is that it's planned for late 2022 with the chance to slip into early 2023.

Nintendo will not want to miss the holiday season if they can avoid doing so. Late 2022 is very clearly plan A here.

This is a silly debate.
 
Skittzo said:
He's referring to what he previously said, which is that it's planned for late 2022 with the chance to slip into early 2023.

Nintendo will not want to miss the holiday season if they can avoid doing so. Late 2022 is very clearly plan A here.

This is a silly debate.
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I mean he just said that window he heard is late 2022/early 2023.

But you are right, this silly debate, I just dont like when you act like 2022. launch is set in stone,
you were also very sure about 8nm, and now its more possible that we dont talk about 8nm any more..
 
Simba1 said:
I mean he just said that window he heard is late 2022/early 2023.

But you are right, this silly debate, I just dont like when you act like 2022. launch is set in stone,
you were also very sure about 8nm, and now its more possible that we dont talk about 8nm any more..
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I don't believe anything is set in stone, and I never suggested it was. Rumors are rumors, they can be and often are incorrect. I'm simply summarizing what the most recent rumors about the timing of this thing say.

Same with 8nm. There's no reason to believe it changed but it's still just a rumor so of course it could've changed.
 
The issue is the way people talk and act. Itā€™s the way they carry themselves. They talk as if something is a fact or they know it all.
 
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It is a hard fact that switch pro will release on my birthday and Reggie will hand deliver one directly to me along with a copy of Yakuza 0 Definitive Edition which includes a new scene where Kiryu and Majima team up with Mario to defeat Bowser

Prove me wrong
 
Derachi said:
It is a hard fact that switch pro will release on my birthday and Reggie will hand deliver one directly to me along with a copy of Yakuza 0 Definitive Edition which includes a new scene where Kiryu and Majima team up with Mario to defeat Bowser

Prove me wrong
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Your logic is sound.
 
PedroNavajas said:
The system needs to have an oled Screen. It wouldn't be proper for the new system to be a downgrade from the current option in such an important aspect.
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If a Switch Pro doesn't have an OLED screen I likely wouldn't buy it. OLED on Switch is amazing. It added new life to the system for me.
 
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I don't really have the head for tech specs but if any of this means I'll be able to play Age of Calamity and Monster Hunter Stories 2 and have it not run like total shit then I'm excited!
 
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