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Discussion Switch 2's DLSS implementation code has been stolen/leaked from NVidia

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Whatever it is, Switch 2 etc, they could announce it tomorrow and people will be lining up to buy it, it will be sold out for the whole year and beyond.
 
Would DLSS be a feature that the Switch would only use in docked or could it be used in portable mode as well?
 
daase ko said:
That's right but it's the big stuff here, need to showcase the games.
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Yeah, I agree. E3 would be to show this because, where the Lite and OLED were, ostensibly, the same thing as a regular Switch but portable/slightly improved, this thing is gonna need to be shown alongside some gameplay to be like "Look at the PERFORMANCE"
 
Derachi said:
Yeah, I agree. E3 would be to show this because, where the Lite and OLED were, ostensibly, the same thing as a regular Switch but portable/slightly improved, this thing is gonna need to be shown alongside some gameplay to be like "Look at the PERFORMANCE"
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That would mean the system would be announced before E3, which is great for me.
 
Derachi said:
Switch was announced in October 2016 and released March 2017
Switch Lite was announced July 2019 and released September 2019
Switch OLED was announced July 2021 and released October 2021
The New 3DS line was announced August 2014 in Japan and released October 2014
New 3DS XL was announced January 2015 for America and released a month later
The 3DS proper was announced via one line in a press release in March 2010, unveiled properly at E3 2010, and released in February 2011

Nintendo has been doing less than one year between announce/release for over a decade at this point.
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Revisions are not the same thing as new hardware and you know it.

And no, you can't just ignore the original NX announcement; hell we already knew of several games that had been formally announced for the NX before it was actually given its final name (chiefly Dragon Quest 11). The console was first announced in March 2015; as "NX", just like how every single console Nintendo has ever made (excluding Wii U) was previously announced as a codename prior to release.

You have to announce consoles well in advance of release because you need lead-time for 3rd party developers, retailers, publishers etc to start ramping up support for your new system prior to release. That doesn't apply to revisions however, as it's not new hardware that needs bespoke software support.
 
Derachi said:
Yeah, I agree. E3 would be to show this because, where the Lite and OLED were, ostensibly, the same thing as a regular Switch but portable/slightly improved, this thing is gonna need to be shown alongside some gameplay to be like "Look at the PERFORMANCE"
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Anticipating the DIRTY officially produced xenoblades comparison montage
 
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Dcubed said:
Revisions are not the same thing as new hardware and you know it.

And no, you can't just ignore the original NX announcement; hell we already knew of several games that had been formally announced for the NX before it was actually given its final name (chiefly Dragon Quest 11). The console was first announced in March 2015; as "NX", just like how every single console Nintendo has ever made (excluding Wii U) was previously announced as a codename prior to release.
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They needed to say "yes there's new hardware coming" because Wii U was floundering and they have a stock price to maintain

in any case: OK, so this might be positioned as a new revision? Or maybe the times have just changed? I don't think looking at how they announced/released the N64 is really applicable in 2022 lol
 
Glad to see some new info. Looking forward to a new console whenever it gets released.

When people refer to E3 do they just mean a Nintendo Direct in June?
I know the in-person E3 is cancelled but I can't find any actual dates for a digital E3 on the official E3 and ESA websites.
 
Herb Alpert said:
I'm really torn right now.
My launch switch is aging and I'd like to buy an OLED. But I'd be pissed to see a "pro" releasing a few months later...
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This is why I got an OLED right out of the gate. Sold my launch unit to recoup most of the cost and should get ~15 months out of the OLED.
 
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dkeane said:
Glad to see some new info. Looking forward to a new console whenever it gets released.

When people refer to E3 do they just mean a Nintendo Direct in June?
I know the in-person E3 is cancelled but I can't find any actual dates for a digital E3 on the official E3 and ESA websites.
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I don’t think they have been announced yet so people are using E3 as a moniker for the June Direct.
 
Derachi said:
They needed to say "yes there's new hardware coming" because Wii U was floundering and they have a stock price to maintain
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They also announced their DeNA partnership with the NX right? If they had not announced NX, there would have been doom and gloom that Nintendo is exiting the console/handheld space.
 
Derachi said:
They needed to say "yes there's new hardware coming" because Wii U was floundering and they have a stock price to maintain

in any case: OK, so this might be positioned as a new revision? Or maybe the times have just changed? I don't think looking at how they announced/released the N64 is really applicable in 2022 lol
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N64 specifically? No.

Every single other Nintendo console along with the N64? Yeah, probably worth taking a look at.

The fact is that Nintendo have a pretty stern historical precedent with how they announce their systems. You can choose to completely ignore it, or you can actually look back and see how they announce their systems normally. The NX announcement follows every historical standard for the company (and indeed, the industry as a whole), despite the circumstances surrounding Nintendo at the time; and I would expect Nintendo to continue to follow their history when it comes to announcing Switch 2.

This means that they've missed the window for anything before March 2023 now. The most likely scenario is now an announcement at E3 2022, a formal unveil at E3 2023 and a release in November 2023. BTW, that would give Switch a lifespan of 6 years and 6 months before being succeeded; making it the second longest lasting Nintendo home console and handheld in history (beaten by only the Famicom and the original Game Boy respectively).

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When people refer to E3 do they just mean a Nintendo Direct in June?
I know the in-person E3 is cancelled but I can't find any actual dates for a digital E3 on the official E3 and ESA websites.
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Yes of course. Even if "E3" the event doesn't take place, Nintendo will still almost certainly continue to have their yearly "E3 Digital Event" at around the same time as usual.
 
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Dcubed said:
N64? No.

Every single other Nintendo console along with the N64? Yeah, probably worth taking a look at.

The fact is that Nintendo have a pretty stern historical precedent with how they announce their systems. You can choose to completely ignore it, or you can actually look back and see how they announce their systems normally.
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Like I see where you're coming from, I really do, but look at most consumer electronics: smartphones are announced like a month before they ship. Game consoles have, at most, a year between official reveal and release. Now when I say "reveal" I mean E3 stage show presentation, or trailer, or whatever. Mentioning the console in a press release, or dropping a codename, that could happen for any number of reasons at any time. "NX" getting dropped in 2015 when it did was, like @Fuffelpups said, to ensure shareholders that their partnership with DeNA was not the only future for the company, and that despite abysmal sales of the Wii U they did have more hardware in the works. Codename drops are really not much to go off of. I'll say they tend to come earlier depending on how the previous console was doing, because shareholders need to be assured that they are not going to rest on failing laurels. Even the Wii, by the time "Cafe" was being tossed around, was pretty much done.

The Switch? STILL selling incredibly well. So they have no reason to tell shareholders there's a new unit coming. In fact it behooves them to keep telling them "oh we're halfway through the life cycle." Shareholders want one thing and that's stable, reliable profits.
 
Herb Alpert said:
I'm really torn right now.
My launch switch is aging and I'd like to buy an OLED. But I'd be pissed to see a "pro" releasing a few months later...
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Your launch Switch will pay close to the actual OLED.

I sold mine for how much I actually paid for it, minus the FB Market Place fee (which was low). Version 1 Switch can be hacked, so those go for a premium.

So if you want an OLED, you will not lose money by selling your OG if your patient and don't let buyers guilt you into less. I see how much they actually sell for if it is V.1 and you state it and state you will provide serial upon request.
 
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Skittzo said:
If the global supply situation is scaring them then they may as well release no new hardware until 2027+, since it's not going away any time soon.
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They did say something about wanting the Switch to last 10 years or something.
 
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Derachi said:
Like I see where you're coming from, I really do, but look at most consumer electronics: smartphones are announced like a month before they ship. Game consoles have, at most, a year between official reveal and release. Now when I say "reveal" I mean E3 stage show presentation, or trailer, or whatever. Mentioning the console in a press release, or dropping a codename, that could happen for any number of reasons at any time. "NX" getting dropped in 2015 when it did was, like @Fuffelpups said, to ensure shareholders that their partnership with DeNA was not the only future for the company, and that despite abysmal sales of the Wii U they did have more hardware in the works. Codename drops are really not much to go off of. I'll say they tend to come earlier depending on how the previous console was doing, because shareholders need to be assured that they are not going to rest on failing laurels. Even the Wii, by the time "Cafe" was being tossed around, was pretty much done.

The Switch? STILL selling incredibly well. So they have no reason to tell shareholders there's a new unit coming. In fact it behooves them to keep telling them "oh we're halfway through the life cycle." Shareholders want one thing and that's stable, reliable profits.
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And therein lies the problem with your theory. Game consoles are NOT smartphones; they are a wholly unique category within the wider technology sector.

Game consoles are an integrated hardware and software business; and only exist for the purpose of enabling the creating of video game software. This means that they are reliant on a myriad of internal and external development partners that need concrete details about the hardware that they're working on years before they launch. They CANNOT be released like other consumer electronic devices, or else they end up with zero actual game software available for them

Even the Xbox Series X/S, a console which literally launched with zero exclusive titles was announced a full year and a half prior to its release. It had to happen that way in order to allow for the necessary lead-in time for first and 3rd party developers to start working on games, make announcements, make deals with retail & publishers etc.

You only need to look at the entierty of the history of game console announcements to realise how a new console release cannot work like you are suggesting. Switch 2 will be announced and released like every single other Nintendo console ever made has done before, because that's the way it has to be done in order to work. This means that any release prior to March 2023 is now out of the question.
 
Dcubed said:
And therein lies the problem with your theory. Game consoles are NOT smartphones; they are a wholly unique category within the wider technology sector.

Game consoles are an integrated hardware and software business; and only exist for the purpose of enabling the creating of video game software. This means that they are reliant on a myriad of internal and external development partners that need concrete details about the hardware that they're working on years before they launch. They CANNOT be released like other consumer electronic devices, or else they end up with zero actual game software available for them

Even the Xbox Series X/S, a console which literally launched with zero exclusive titles was announced a full year and a half prior to its release.

You only need to look at the entierty of the history of game console announcements to realise how a new console release cannot work like you are suggesting. Switch 2 will be announced and released like every single other Nintendo console ever made has done before, because that's the way it has to be done in order to work.
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But again, what if this is being positioned more like a "New 3DS" kind of revision than an outright "Switch 2"? Then it all lines up.
 
Derachi said:
But again, what if this is being positioned more like a "New 3DS" kind of revision than an outright "Switch 2"? Then it all lines up.
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You are not getting an incremental revision 7 years after the Switch's launch. That ship has long since sailed. And the only reason why that happened with the Game Boy Color was because Project Atlantis was a huge failure; with the GBA having to be internally pushed back all the way from 1996 to 2001.

And this is no incremental revision. DLSS alone necessitates an entierly new hardware architecture from NVidia (Turing or Ampere; most likely Ampere at this point).
 
Dcubed said:
You are not getting an incremental revision 7 years after the Switch's launch. That ship has long since sailed.

And this is no incremental revision. DLSS alone necessitates an entierly new hardware architecture (Turing or Ampere; most likely Ampere).
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Haha well you're already talking above my technical knowledge level so I'm gonna trust you on it!
 
Whatever this is, please let's not fight over it, it makes this place very unpleasant and there is enough going on in the world without all this pointless back and forth and people trying to score points.
 
BotW 2, Scarlet/Violet and XB3 alongside a more powerful Switch would be a dream. Imagine playing these games in 4k/60.

Day 1 purchase either way since I've been ready to upgrade my Switch for a bit.
 
Dcubed said:
You are not getting an incremental revision 7 years after the Switch's launch. That ship has long since sailed. And the only reason why that happened with the Game Boy Color was because Project Atlantis was a huge failure; with the GBA having to be internally pushed back all the way from 1996 to 2001.

And this is no incremental revision. DLSS alone necessitates an entierly new hardware architecture from NVidia (Turing or Ampere; most likely Ampere at this point).
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What it is positioned as will be 100% up to Nintendo's marketing department. The hardware itself has zero bearing on whether it's a Switch 2 or Switch pro or Switch pineapple.
 
I honestly don’t care if it’s a revision or a new model, cause either way I’ll get one.

What I do care is when it does ever come out, will I be able to get one?

I really want online retailers to do something about this to prevent mass buying and bots.
 
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BlueKing said:
Whatever this is, please let's not fight over it, it makes this place very unpleasant and there is enough going on in the world without all this pointless back and forth and people trying to score points.
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Nah you right! Sorry @Dcubed, I didn't mean to get heated or anything!
 
I don’t expect anything this year(would love for it to be) but 2023 EOD is probably the earliest.
 
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I just want the official announcement before the end of FY2022; a release is gravy but I just want to see the damn thing in action.

At least this gives me a little more hope that it's more likely than not we'll get an announcement before the calendar year is up.
 
Dcubed said:
No worries. I'm just excited to finally get some info about the damn thing after so long!! :D
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ooooh same same!!! I'm desperately hoping this releases this year. My current Switch, a launch unit:

-has had the fan fail, which I replaced myself
-no longer has a functioning touch screen (i think i did something while replacing the fan? woops)
-the joy-cons' connection to the console constantly disconnect/reconnect while attached and I'm playing in handheld mode
-has a little baby battery that does not have a lot of life left in it

I am READY for whatever new unit they wanna sell me
 
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Skittzo said:
Because that's been the consistent and continually corroborated rumor for like a year or more now.
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I'm still of the opinion that somewhere along this rumor mill there was a change and we got the OLED as it is last year instead. If Nintendo wants to screw those people over by releasing a much stronger more attractive product within a year of that, then that sucks.

So I don't think we'll be seeing anymore new hardware until 2023 at the earliest. We've already been getting different models and revisions every other year anyway.
 
Jahranimo said:
I'm still of the opinion that somewhere along this rumor mill there was a change and we got the OLED as it is last year instead. If Nintendo wants to screw those people over by releasing a much stronger more attractive product within a year of that, then that sucks.

So I don't think we'll be seeing anymore new hardware until 2023 at the earliest. We've already been getting different models and revisions every other year anyway.
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That's not possible because the OLED model was datamined separately from this almost 2 years ago, and Dane couldn't ever have launched before 2022 due to Nvidia's Orin schedule laid out as of 2019.

Plus the rumors about devkits existing, no OLED devkits were sent out until late 2021 when the devkits for this were repeatedly rumored in late 2020 and early 2021.
 
Hmm, I maintain my theory of a "switch pro" launching on march 2023 with botw2. Sure, an advanced model 6 years after the launch is not that common, but switch has shown us that it is all but common. If they want to prolong the life of the machine beyond the usual console cycle, it has sense then that they release a more powerful version later in the cycle than usual.

And with the recent news about Pokemon I'm reafirmed in this. Nintendo doesn't need to launch botw2 this year.
 
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You guys are getting lost in the weeds over the differences between an initial announcement and a full reveal. Sure, Nintendo often does full reveals less than a year before release. But the initial announcement usually comes well before that, and we haven't had that yet. It's the initial announcement that gets the apparatus in motion and the wheels turning with regard to partnerships, development, etc. Partners get confidential info at that point that allows them to make plans, which the rest of us aren't privy to until the full reveal.
 
Kano said:
despair. anyone reasonable should know by now, march 1st, that no new hardware is releasing this year.
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Despair, otherwise known as literally the only information of substance that we actually have.
 
Based on specs, this is a Switch 2 and should be marketed as such. March 2023 is the earliest possible date for it, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were H2 2023 or Q1 2024.
 
Luneth said:
Hmm, I maintain my theory of a "switch pro" launching on march 2023 with botw2. Sure, an advanced model 6 years after the launch is not that common, but switch has shown us that it is all but common. If they want to prolong the life of the machine beyond the usual console cycle, it has sense then that they release a more powerful version later in the cycle than usual.

And with the recent news about Pokemon I'm reafirmed in this. Nintendo doesn't need to launch botw2 this year.
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There's no reason to believe BotW 2 isn't launching this year.
 
AgeEighty said:
You guys are getting lost in the weeds over the differences between an initial announcement and a full reveal. Sure, Nintendo often does full reveals less than a year before release. But the initial announcement usually comes well before that, and we haven't had that yet. It's the initial announcement that gets the apparatus in motion and the wheels turning with regard to partnerships, development, etc. Partners get confidential info at that point that allows them to make plans, which the rest of us aren't privy to until the full reveal.
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Would Nintendo really announce a new Switch with DLSS a year plus, ahead and expect to keep the sales momentum of their current consoles? Who is going to buy the backlog of old consoles that are going to be obsolete in comparison to this new one?
 
BlueKing said:
Would Nintendo really announce a new Switch with DLSS a year plus, ahead and expect to keep the sales momentum of their current consoles? Who is going to buy the backlog of old consoles that are going to be obsolete in comparison to this new one?
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Yes? They do it all the time. New console announcements don't put a freeze on current console sales in practice and never have. And as has been pointed out, that time is required for partners to get geared up for a launch.
 
I could see the product line-up for this upcoming holiday shopping season becoming Switch Lite at 199, OLED dropping to 299 and replacing the current Base Switch (which gets a stock-clear price of $250) and this thing (Switch Deluxe/Plus/2/whatever) coming in at 399.
 
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