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Discussion Xenoblade Chronicles 3 announced, launches September 2022 (no open spoilers)

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I went there yesterday and I saw two Xenoblade threads on the frontpage

1. Xenoblade 3 reveal but when I entered it might as well have been civil war/xenoblade 2 whining thread #2714, with actual xenoblade 3 discussion being tangential at best

2. Thread about how 2 and DE were unplayably blurry and how 3 is going to be unplayable as well

Fuck that shit, never again. Those of you who still bother, I don't know how you can do it...
It is very frustrating, I can’t lie. I’ve desperately tried to keep it on topic while indulging in some talk about the older games, but it’s very difficult.

I’ve thought about deleting my account so many times in the past. There’s some great people on there, but I think most people have just given up and moved on.

I’ll get there soon I think, which is a bummer.
 
This excerpt from Klaus in xb2 is straight from the Monadology, it's a dang near quote of the perpetual infinite living mirrors of the universes
and only the ones that reflect back at each other are aware of and can interact with each other it goes even further than side by side, since in the Monadology monads, and since monads are the simplest building blocks of reality, really everything are psionic rather than physical entities, they can and do literally overlap but are not able to observe or interact with each other unless brought in sync.
Henceforth, the Ouroboros symbol when the party is together. When separate, the people of Agnus and Keves only hold half of the symbol, as they are side by side. But outside of the war, they do not observe or interact with each other... until the party changes that. Similar to the world itself, they become in sync and there comes the Ouroboros. Thanks to them being in sync, they can see the true of the world and work towards moving it forward. Afterall, life itself must move onwards.

The funeral rituals will surely come into play in this scenario. It is abnormal that the two countries at war, ended up developing the same funeral ritual. Yet, it fits. Now that Lord Zanza, Klaus, and the Zohar are gone, there is no perpetual source of ether to maintain the world stable, well except two... humans and homs. They live to fight, and fight to live, because they must die as to become ether and maintain the world stable. A perpetual cycle that maintains the world. Yet the party, shows a path of peace is possible between the nations, a path that would make the world unstable. Henceforth:

The Ouroboros abhors this world.
 
Was confused for a bit, because I thought the name was Lanz instead of Lanze (which it is). Lanze would be straight up lance (as in, the weapon) in German, which would have been kind of funny given his choice of weapon.

On the other hand, this is a Lanz:
Lanz_D3206_32PS_1955.JPG
 
Was confused for a bit, because I thought the name was Lanz instead of Lanze (which it is). Lanze would be straight up lance (as in, the weapon) in German, which would have been kind of funny given his choice of weapon.

On the other hand, this is a Lanz:
Lanz_D3206_32PS_1955.JPG
he looks like a machina. his momma probably was a tractor
 
Was confused for a bit, because I thought the name was Lanz instead of Lanze (which it is). Lanze would be straight up lance (as in, the weapon) in German, which would have been kind of funny given his choice of weapon.

On the other hand, this is a Lanz:
Lanz_D3206_32PS_1955.JPG

Old boys built Tonka tough.
 
While this was a very good reveal trailer. It helps a lot it plays off of Xeno 1 + 2, I still say Xenoblade X had the best reveal trailer of them all

No contest.

Xb1's reveal as Monado beginning of the world completely buried the lede on the game.... Seemingly the lack of response was so deafening they pulled the game not just from western directs and media, but from releasing in the west at all. People had to literally beg.

2 just, well, was, but X?

What a damn reveal. Even now it's still amazing.

so. Damn. Cool.
 
While this was a very good reveal trailer. It helps a lot it plays off of Xeno 1 + 2, I still say Xenoblade X had the best reveal trailer of them all
Having Sawano for X really gave us a different vibe as well, I'd say it really helped when it came to those trailers.

Xb1's reveal as Monado beginning of the world completely buried the lede on the game.... Seemingly the lack of response was so deafening they pulled the game not just from western directs and media, but from releasing in the west at all.
Nobody was really expecting good things from Monolith Soft under Nintendo yet, that was the bigger problem.
 
No contest.

Xb1's reveal as Monado beginning of the world completely buried the lede on the game.... Seemingly the lack of response was so deafening they pulled the game not just from western directs and media, but from releasing in the west at all.

2 just, well, was, but X?

What a damn reveal. Even now it's still amazing.

so. Damn. Cool.

That wasn't the reveal trailer though, this was:




Which still was pretty damn cool but it showcased one of Sawano's best sound pieces (and we all know how hit and miss his soundtrack ended-up being).
 
Having Sawano for X really gave us a different vibe as well, I'd say it really helped when it came to those trailers.


Nobody was really expecting good things from Monolith Soft under Nintendo yet, that was the bigger problem.

Yeah, I agree with this, the initial trailer did absolutely nothing to show any reason to expect anything. They completely misread the audience for the game.

But when those exploration trailers hit the Japanese only direct, showing just like 15 minutes straight of just roaming the landscape and jumping off cliffs into lakes....

Oh man I remember being a part of that. We are talking interest acceleration of 0 to like escape velocity in 3 seconds flat.
 
That wasn't the reveal trailer though, this was:




Which still was pretty damn cool but it showcased one of Sawano's best sound pieces (and we all know how hit and miss his soundtrack ended-up being).


Oh that's right. I remember that now. Man that footsteps scene just really stuck with me
 
Oh that's right. I remember that now. Man that footsteps scene just really stuck with me

I was the only one out of my friends going crazy over this reveal trailer. Took my mate 10 years to play Xenoblade 1 and I still don't know his opinion on the game and don't think he even finished it lol. Hasn't played X or XC2 either. Slow coaches, I tell ya!
 
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Having Sawano for X really gave us a different vibe as well, I'd say it really helped when it came to those trailers.


Nobody was really expecting good things from Monolith Soft under Nintendo yet, that was the bigger problem.

People thought Nintendo were being swindled by Bamco when the Monolithsoft acquisition was announced.
they hired someone who wasn't familiar with the material? trash, she should be fired and replaced with a true fan

this is a parody post

The funniest aspect is the fact that she still had a Switch lol
 
People thought Nintendo were being swindled by Bamco when the Monolithsoft acquisition was announced.
And people refused to acknowledge them for Baten Kaitos too. It's taken so many years for MonolithSoft to get the recognition they finally have today.
 
And people refused to acknowledge them for Baten Kaitos too. It's taken so many years for MonolithSoft to get the recognition they finally have today.

Yeah, there was a whole lot "They didn't buy the developer who did all the good parts"... and Tri Crescendo is sadly just a support studio now.
 
I went there yesterday and I saw two Xenoblade threads on the frontpage

1. Xenoblade 3 reveal but when I entered it might as well have been civil war/xenoblade 2 whining thread #2714, with actual xenoblade 3 discussion being tangential at best

2. Thread about how 2 and DE were unplayably blurry and how 3 is going to be unplayable as well

Fuck that shit, never again. Those of you who still bother, I don't know how you can do it...
This is why certain forums bother the hell out of me. None of the complaints above are necessarily unwarranted, but when a new game is announced and it’s the ONLY thing anyone can talk about, it gets super annoying.
 
Baten Kaitos talk always make me wish that Honne did his own projects once again.

Maybe Itoi can finally give him the chance to do Earthbound.
 
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So this is some good news.



Xenoblade 2's reveal trailer in Japan had 230,000 views in 11 days.

Xenoblade 3's reveal trailer has 430,000 views in only 3 days.

And this is many months before the promotion of the game kicks in. I know views don't necessarily translate to better sales, but this is still cool. Public awareness of the franchise and its fanbase continues to expand significantly.
 
This video has aged very nicely


I do think it speaks to the strength of the vision of the series that people have been able to accurately predict where the story is going to go next.

Which makes me think of several of my Xenoblade X theories
Even back when I first finished X, I had ideas that Mira might have been the world from the Xenoblade 1 ending and that the Samaarian's might be Homs. There are some details I couldn't have predicted at the time, but it's certainly looking like Xenoblade 3 might confirm that the general gist of those theories is true.
 
So this is some good news.



Xenoblade 2's reveal trailer in Japan had 230,000 views in 11 days.

Xenoblade 3's reveal trailer has 430,000 views in only 3 days.

And this is many months before the promotion of the game kicks in. I know views don't necessarily translate to better sales, but this is still cool. Public awareness of the franchise and its fanbase continues to expand significantly.


Yes. Yeeessss. Good. Goooooooood!!!!
 
And when Takahashi mentions the concept/ideas for Xeno 3 came about sometime after Xenoblade 1 and before Xenoblade 2, he's almost straight up saying it came about during the development of Xenoblade X. I really think there's going to be connections to Xeno X in this game, and I think the merged world is actually going to be Mira in the past. For example, take a look at the concept art for Mira:


You'll notice the tall structure at the top, which really reminds me of the world tree (with the top broken off, which basically happens at the end of Xeno 2) and Morytha at the base. To the right you see something that looks somewhat like Alcamoth, and throughout the planet various structures that look like the titan landmasses we see at the end of Xeno 2 and in the Xeno 3 trailer. I always thought it was weird that things from both worlds were there, but knowing the two worlds eventually merged kinda explains the concept art I guess. If Xeno 3 IS the past of Mira then... I'm not sure we can expect a happy ending to the game since we know the survivors basically had to abandon the planet at some point, after almost annihilating each other.

It's already known that there's some really weird interdimensional time stuff happening around Mira (shown in the Professor B quests), and the Fog King/beasts are very similar to the Tainted (And there's a lot of that purple fog around the area the tainted are found in too). I really feel we're going to see this alleged "Great One" Luxaar goes on about, which seems to be the source of the virus that causes the tainted. Maybe info on what the Ghosts are and the relation it all has to dark matter too.
Okay, yeah…I’m definitely convinced that Aionios may very likely end up being Mira. To me it’s looking like there’s too much pointing in that direction for it to be just a coincidence, and if this was always the plan it certainly explains why they intentionally kept Mira such a mystery… I’ve been waiting years to get some more answers about Mira and to know where exactly XCX fits in with the rest of the series, and I’m so, so excited that we may finally be getting exactly that…and the potential explanation being that it’s the mashed-up worlds of XC and XC2 is just so fucking cool! It sure is a good time to be a Xenoblade fan.
 
So this is some good news.



Xenoblade 2's reveal trailer in Japan had 230,000 views in 11 days.

Xenoblade 3's reveal trailer has 430,000 views in only 3 days.

And this is many months before the promotion of the game kicks in. I know views don't necessarily translate to better sales, but this is still cool. Public awareness of the franchise and its fanbase continues to expand significantly.


Yeah, the Japanese trailer is almost at 500k views which is really surprising. Great result.

But the views from the west are somewhat underwhelming as it seems it will take some time until it gets to a million views. It currently sits on 670k views on the NA channel - expected more growth there.
 
Usually franchises get kinda shit on for trying to overly connect seemingly separate entries (such as MGS4 tying in the snake eater crew).

Glad Xeno is doubling down on it, they’ve handled it really well so far and it’s an accomplishment that I don’t see complaints about it getting “too complicated”. It could’ve been Nintendo’s FF where each entry is definitely standalone but I’m totally down with this way to.
 
I have trouble seeing them connect XCX. If it happens, it will be an incredibly minor detail in the overall game.

Usually franchises get kinda shit on for trying to overly connect seemingly separate entries (such as MGS4 tying in the snake eater crew).

Glad Xeno is doubling down on it, they’ve handled it really well so far and it’s an accomplishment that I don’t see complaints about it getting “too complicated”. It could’ve been Nintendo’s FF where each entry is definitely standalone but I’m totally down with this way to.

They are connected but not overly so. You can and a lot of people did enjoy XC2 completely independently and I expect the same for XC3.
 
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Yeah, the Japanese trailer is almost at 500k views which is really surprising. Great result.

But the views from the west are somewhat underwhelming as it seems it will take some time until it gets to a million views. It currently sits on 670k views on the NA channel - expected more growth there.

It took Xenoblade 2's NA reveal trailer 5 years to reach 2.6 million, so maybe let's check back in, let's say, 4 years to see if it's view count is higher? 😂

BTW, there is this:


In the replies, he says Xenoblade 3 trailer has the highest engagement of any Direct video.
 
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Yeah, the Japanese trailer is almost at 500k views which is really surprising. Great result.

But the views from the west are somewhat underwhelming as it seems it will take some time until it gets to a million views. It currently sits on 670k views on the NA channel - expected more growth there.
Sheesh calm down. Even the Mario stuff from the Direct hasn't reached a million views yet
 
Xb1's reveal as Monado beginning of the world completely buried the lede on the game.... Seemingly the lack of response was so deafening they pulled the game not just from western directs and media, but from releasing in the west at all. People had to literally beg.
What is it with this history revisionism? NOE announced they'd be localising the game, did just as announced and released it normally a year later in their territories (plus down under). They even bothered translating the awesome artbook for the French market in a limited fashion (1000 copies iirc) and included it as part of the JRPG trilogy for which they offered those awesome coins and case through Club Nintendo (which I still have).

Just because NOA was being a hot mess throughout that period of time, doesn't mean that the game was mistreated in the rest of the world.
 
I have trouble seeing them connect XCX. If it happens, it will be an incredibly minor detail in the overall game.
How come? It could be as simple as setting up the origins of Mira, but not explicitly stating that in game. Just having it be something that people who’ve played XCX will pick up on, like how people who’ve played XC could deduce the identity of Ontos in XC2. The general plot doesn’t need to be significantly relevant to XCX’s plot or anything beyond that.
 
That makes sense, but if I remember correctly, Elysium (which they thought was Elysium inside the beanstalk) and Land of Morytha are revealed to be American in origin. And Elma and co. also come from America. The Ark has an American flag on it. Hmmmm.

The Japanese Siren figure also revealed some backstory. Basically the Conduit was found in Africa. (Copied straight from Xenosaga's discovery of the Zohar).

On another note, for the plot in general... from looking how the current games compare to Xenogears Perfect Works concept, Torna is supposed to be Episode IV (Origin of fallen heroes from the war 500 years ago), and both Xenoblade 1 and 2 is supposed to be Episode V or just Xenogears in general (defeat of the false god and the disappearance of the Zohar/True God). Xenogears Episode VI was supposed to be taking place in an era after V.

Does anyone thinks Xenoblade 3 will be the closest Monolith Soft and co. will gets to implementing whatever plots that they had for Xenogears sequel?
 
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How come? It could be as simple as setting up the origins of Mira, but not explicitly stating that in game. Just having it be something that people who’ve played XCX will pick up on, like how people who’ve played XC could deduce the identity of Ontos in XC2. The general plot doesn’t need to be significantly relevant to XCX’s plot or anything beyond that.

Because it seems to me like Takahashi sees X as a rather seperate thing going by interviews.

Takahashi uses almost the same motifs and basic lore principles in every game he has directed, which makes the thought of every game being connected together very enticing. I don't think connecting everything together is the point of his storyboard MO, though.
 
Because it seems to me like Takahashi sees X as a rather seperate thing going by interviews.

Takahashi uses almost the same motifs and basic lore principles in every game he has directed, which makes the thought of every game being connected together very enticing. I don't think connecting everything together is the point of his storyboard MO, though.
If an X connection is a part of the story he is not going to reveal in an interviews. Just like he denied the link between 1 & 2 before.
And I think the fact that the concept of XB3 already existed during X development is pretty suspicious
 
If an X connection is a part of the story he is not going to reveal in an interviews. Just like he denied the link between 1 & 2 before.
And I think the fact that the concept of XB3 already existed during X development is pretty suspicious
I'm not sure what the benefit of that is now. with XC2, the connection to XC1 was the surprise twist. doing the same thing twice, while you're selling the third game as "it all comes together" is just running your car off the road
 
No contest.

Xb1's reveal as Monado beginning of the world completely buried the lede on the game.... Seemingly the lack of response was so deafening they pulled the game not just from western directs and media, but from releasing in the west at all. People had to literally beg.

2 just, well, was, but X?

What a damn reveal. Even now it's still amazing.

so. Damn. Cool.


I will say this ones been growing on me a bit as I watch more analysis stuff

it felt a tad on the underwhelming side at first but it does have a decent amount of stuff in it as fodder for that sort of thing

still not as hype as the X stuff but I do think it does a good job as far as being a first reveal goes
 
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REMEMBER TO TURN THE AUDIO ALL THE WAY DOWN. IT GETS VERY LOUD. The hype Xenoblade 3 is real. Just check this out.

I know a lot these reaction style videos are faked and over the top on purpose, but I definitely wasn't expecting him to turn into The Hitchhiker when the title card was revealed.
 
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Watching the trailer again, and it seems to end with a shot of the Bionis Head nearby to the Mechonis sword from Xenoblade 1, and that has me wondering if they'll have an explorable area on the Bionis Head itself. I always wanted to be able to go in/around/on the Head in Xenoblade 1, so it'd be cool to have that available now.
 
I'm not sure what the benefit of that is now. with XC2, the connection to XC1 was the surprise twist. doing the same thing twice, while you're selling the third game as "it all comes together" is just running your car off the road
You are talking about the guy who is trying to tell the same story for the last 25 years lol. I doubt he care that much about repeating twist at this point as long as he want to do it. I'm sure if he end up linking X more strongly to the trilogy it will he will do it in an satisfying manner. We can at least give him the benefit of doubt right ?
 
Because it seems to me like Takahashi sees X as a rather seperate thing going by interviews.

Takahashi uses almost the same motifs and basic lore principles in every game he has directed, which makes the thought of every game being connected together very enticing. I don't think connecting everything together is the point of his storyboard MO, though.
I mean, we have a quote from him literally saying that all Xenoblade games, including X, are essentially single episodes of a greater connected story:
Tetsuya Takahashi said:
From the beginning, each entry in the Xenoblade Chronicles series has depicted a single episode within the flow of a larger time and space. So they are, at their roots, closely connected with each other, but we’re flexible with changing the means and ways in which we depict this in each entry.

Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 are like two sides of the same coin which might be why it feels like the connection between them seems to be particularly standing out.

I think X just seems out of place at the moment because it depicts an episode of the greater Xenoblade saga that’s far enough removed from XC and XC2 to not really be relevant to other games yet, though that could change now with XC3.

I'm not sure what the benefit of that is now. with XC2, the connection to XC1 was the surprise twist. doing the same thing twice, while you're selling the third game as "it all comes together" is just running your car off the road
Aside from the fact that I’m sure it would have been planned all along if they are tying XCX to XC3, anyway, I’d say finally getting some answers about what the hell is up with Mira is pretty exciting, no? (Hell, I’ll take whatever breadcrumbs I can get that elaborate more on anything from XCX, ‘cause there are still so many unanswered questions with that game’s world and plot still.) And in general it’s just really cool to see how these different episodes may be connected to each other. Doesn’t have to be some big, in-your-face connections either; it can be more subtle revelations that give just enough info to establish some kind of connection between the games but doesn’t necessarily become something hugely important to XC3’s own plot or anything.
 
They just have to get rid of the ugly ass UI from Xenoblade 2. How do you want to sell your game when people who don't know a damn thing about Xenoblade see this.
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Tbf, Xenoblade is a hard-core RPG, plus I never had a problem with the UI in 2. You can toggle off the Art descriptions btw. The game also doesn't have all those silly red boxes/text/arrows and, naturally, the combat UI is only shown on screen when you're engaged in combat.
 
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Watching the trailer again, and it seems to end with a shot of the Bionis Head nearby to the Mechonis sword from Xenoblade 1, and that has me wondering if they'll have an explorable area on the Bionis Head itself. I always wanted to be able to go in/around/on the Head in Xenoblade 1, so it'd be cool to have that available now.

It's not the Bionis head, it's Uraya from Xenoblade 2 or what remains of it.
 
Watching the trailer again, and it seems to end with a shot of the Bionis Head nearby to the Mechonis sword from Xenoblade 1, and that has me wondering if they'll have an explorable area on the Bionis Head itself. I always wanted to be able to go in/around/on the Head in Xenoblade 1, so it'd be cool to have that available now.
It’s Uraya. It’s Xenoblade 1 + 2 merged in the end shot
 
They just have to get rid of the ugly ass UI from Xenoblade 2. How do you want to sell your game when people who don't know a damn thing about Xenoblade see this.
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Maybe I just have XC2 induced Stockholm Syndrome but this looks fine to me. You have all the info you could possibly need on one screen, and in XC2 that's a pretty handy thing to have

I'd rather have more information in a combat system like this than less.
 
They just have to get rid of the ugly ass UI from Xenoblade 2. How do you want to sell your game when people who don't know a damn thing about Xenoblade see this.
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XCDE was a massive improvement in that regard so I wouldn't worry that much (although going back to XC1's combat was a downgrade after the vastly superior XC2's battle system).
 
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