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Brock Reiher said:
More and more I see the only defense for Democrats being "well if you don't vote for them again, the Republicans will win".

Yup, that's what's gonna happen when you drop the ball this hard.
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Pretty much. But centrists only care about the Left as a source of votes. If they can string us along with promises they have no intention of fulfilling, they will, otherwise they'll browbeat us and when they lose, blame us for it.

It's like a carrot and stick approach, except the carrot is rotted.
 
Zellia said:
Pretty much. But centrists only care about the Left as a source of votes. If they can string us along with promises they have no intention of fulfilling, they will, otherwise they'll browbeat us and when they lose, blame us for it.

It's like a carrot and stick approach, except the carrot is rotted.
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Nice to see you here. It’s crazy how the Dems think that bragging about kicking people off of benefits is going to help them win the midterms
 
Ostia said:
Nice to see you here. It’s crazy how the Dems think that bragging about kicking people off of benefits is going to help them win the midterms
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This is going to be a bloodbath in November. They are literally removing the most benefits from people in US history and bragging about it like they did something good. Fuck otta here
 
Brock Reiher said:
More and more I see the only defense for Democrats being "well if you don't vote for them again, the Republicans will win".

Yup, that's what's gonna happen when you drop the ball this hard.
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I saw someone on twitter be like "I vote for damage reduction", and it's like...

That's nice honey. Sorry my disabled ass doesn't seem to benefit from that damage reduction, since our issues continued to be both ignored or we tend to be on the chopping block for certain things, but tell me more about this damage reduction that will eventually cause more issues down the line (and already has) by "reaching across the board" and not doing enough to pass shit.

I really wanted to reply to that damn tweet but I just didn't have the energy to deal with people.
 
Brock Reiher said:
More and more I see the only defense for Democrats being "well if you don't vote for them again, the Republicans will win".

Yup, that's what's gonna happen when you drop the ball this hard.
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The big brain libs are now arguing "well if you do politics like threatening a corrupt pharma drug baron who happens to be the daughter of the swing vote in the senate that's FASCISM." These are fundamentally unserious people and they're completely unprepared for what's coming. Then again, they'll probably just shrug and go to brunch.
 
Branduil said:
The big brain libs are now arguing "well if you do politics like threatening a corrupt pharma drug baron who happens to be the daughter of the swing vote in the senate that's FASCISM." These are fundamentally unserious people and they're completely unprepared for what's coming. Then again, they'll probably just shrug and go to brunch.
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I saw that 😂
Some of the dumbest/nastiest people

"The only way to avoid fascism is to tell people that stopping corruption is actually fascism"
 
Brock Reiher said:
I saw that 😂
Some of the dumbest/nastiest people

"The only way to avoid fascism is to tell people that stopping corruption is actually fascism"
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First they came for the insulin price-gougers, and I did not speak up because I was not an insulin price-gouger. Then... things became better for suffering poor people, but I personally felt bad because my ethical framework is derived from superhero films.
 
Sailor Moon said:
I am sick of seeing people cheerlead corporate acquisitions and consolidation online
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Especially galling considering that they have little to no idea how and why they happen and argue for them strictly on the basis of the acquirer’s advantage, rather than what would motivate a company to sell.
 
Sailor Moon said:
I am sick of seeing people cheerlead corporate acquisitions and consolidation online
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You and me both. And I hate always turns to "who's gonna acquire who next???" like this is something to get hyped over. Even on a Nintendo forum, I'm not exactly excited at the prospect of Nintendo playing into industry consolidation. I'm tired of it.
 
Sailor Moon said:
I am sick of seeing people cheerlead corporate acquisitions and consolidation online
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It's funny that video games basically demonstrate everything wrong with capitalism on both micro and macro levels, constantly screwing over gamers and developers and they find ways to blame literally everything else but capitalism.
 
Sailor Moon said:
I am sick of seeing people cheerlead corporate acquisitions and consolidation online
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People's first thought is that it means they might see more crossovers if one entity owns the IP. People don't think that an even better way to have crossovers be allowed is to let these properties pass into the public domain or at least Creative Commons. I would much refer if copyrights expired after something like 14 years. 14 years is plenty of time to have a monopoly on something. It's better for creativity if works that are still in the public consciousness, works that are still relevant are available for people to build upon without having to ask permission and pay millions of dollars in license fees.

I have to admit that portal scene in The Avengers endgame was fucking awesome and it would have been even more awesome if the X-Men could have been there. But instead of giving Disney a monopoly on every goddamn thing under the Sun, we should instead allow every creator access to these characters.
 
Hey , why are you talking shit about Joe Biden? you right wing, trump supporter, alt right , socialists....NAZIS!!!!
 
A switch just flipped, "dev outsourcing" is explicitly exploitative right. Any outsourcing company in general actually. And besides profits from the final product I mean.

Tbf the companies probably give tools and training to their employees, but in the end they're kinda like a middle-man collecting some surplus right?

Their "products" are basically their workforce, which maybe could've been earning more if they were employees on the company that was paying for the outsourcing. So weird.

On the flip-side, maybe there's more job stability? As they basically resell work so they need the workers?
 
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Sailor Moon said:
I am sick of seeing people cheerlead corporate acquisitions and consolidation online
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The number of megacorp acquisitions taking place over the last few years is literal 'late stage capitalism' in action.

Interest rates on accumulated capital are so poor atm that companies feel no need to hold their money in savings accounts: They get better return on investments actually using it to buy up more stuff.

Additionally, most of these megacorporations have shareholders they need to appease: At a time when wages are stagnating and the cost of living is going up, mergers are a surefire way to convince your shareholders that you're still experiencing massive growth.

Lastly, the cost of living going up means people are more conservative with their purchasing power: relating to media specifically, that means people are less tempted to spend money on unknown properties, and more likely to reserve their spending power for things they already know they will like. This means media megacorporations spend less money investing in new or original IP, and more money making sure the market is dominated by the same franchises year in, year out. Even in gaming (where new IP often do better than in Hollywood) more and more developers such as Insomniac are pivoting to established IP such as Marvel in order to solidify their financials.

These acquisitions and mergers are genuinely leading us to a cultural plateau where nothing gets made except stuff which has been made before.
 
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Their "products" are basically their workforce, which maybe could've been earning more if they were employees on the company that was paying for the outsourcing. So weird.
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This is not always true, some outsourcing agencies pay tons of money (according at least, based on that country's economy) to their workforce, they give benefits that are more than what they are required by law , provide training and development opportunities and full time positions within the company.

Not only that, but tons of big companies are already doing 'outsourcing' work for their clients and partners, as long as they pay for it.

I resigned last year from one of the biggest technology companies in the world as a full time employee in order to go and work for an oursourcing company. Among other reasons (issues with the bosses and office politics shit) They LITERALLY tripled the money and it was for a senior leadership position, which i'm greatly enjoying right now.

There are several Mickey Mouse outsourcing companies out there, that much is true. They provide miserable conditions from their workforce and very low pay. Some of them even have back dealings with the client for keeping some of the money they get from those resources while the worker receives maybe 10% of it, if lucky.
 
Me at the End of 2019: Well that was a succesful century. Start my studium from poor conditions, make my AAA Grade Master, met my wife, married, we got healthy children, save jobs, even a house and for the first time ever i dont have to look on the money to buy food. Said to my wife for fun, we should start a survival- basement, just in case...

2020: Middle of a Pandemic with at least 6 Million people dead. ( Unreported probably is up to three times higher). More people radicalize, spreading conspiracy theories, vaccination refusal and right- wing bullshit.

2021: Very bad news on climate disaster. Global warming way faster than expected. Big forest fires on half the globe while others drown in floods. Politics: Well, lets just wait what happens, maybe its not that bad as scientists scientificly proofed it is?

2022: Putin:"Well, how about to start a big war and blame others?" Enough people will defend mass murdering and spread our war propaganda anyway...

So what's 2023? Asteroids? Aliens? Atomic war? What's your guess? Sorry for doomposting, but the dumbness of humanity at the moment is just frustrating...
 
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Rainbow said:
2022: Putin:"Well, how about to start a big war and blame others?" Enough people will defend mass murdering and spread our war propaganda anyway...
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The whole Russia/Ukraine thing this week makes me think of



With people saying/doing shit that's unneeded on both sides.

And I don't know what the West's end game in doing nothing is, Russia shouldn't have been allowed to take and keep Crimea, but as soon as the south east is taken then the north east is surrounded on 3 sides by Belarus and Russia so that will get got as well and suddenly a third of Ukraine is gone. And they'd keep pushing west to secure water sources to Crimea so they'd be half way to Moldova while we all pretend it didn't happen.
 
Rainbow said:
So what's 2023? Asteroids? Aliens? Atomic war? What's your guess? Sorry for doomposting, but the dumbness of humanity at the moment is just frustrating...
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My favorite thing in 2022 so far has been booting up Dying Light 2, watching the intro cutscene, and lmaoing when the solution to the first game's Harran Virus was everyone getting vaccinated.

My guess in 2023? The dumbest thing you can image and then go two rungs lower. At the very least we'll be past the midterms so any hope of a liberal government in the US doing anything will be dashed.
 
Gashead said:
The whole Russia/Ukraine thing this week makes me think of

With people saying/doing shit that's unneeded on both sides.

And I don't know what the West's end game in doing nothing is, Russia shouldn't have been allowed to take and keep Crimea, but as soon as the south east is taken then the north east is surrounded on 3 sides by Belarus and Russia so that will get got as well and suddenly a third of Ukraine is gone. And they'd keep pushing west to secure water sources to Crimea so they'd be half way to Moldova while we all pretend it didn't happen.
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To be honest, i doubt on Putins sanity at this point. Hes getting old. Stalin was absolutely paranoid in old age. And Putin is babbling a lot of conspiracy theories lately.

A war is absolutely unnecessary and dangerous. Just one spark and we are at the edge of WW3. I fully understand why the west is retreating, trying to avoid WW3. I dont know if that is the right decision. I personally think, let ukraine join Nato and fuck Putin over. Strength is the only language this idiot understands. There is nothing that could appease him anyway. But no one knows how he would react.

No one knows if he stop at ukraine either. And there is no one to blame this time bit russia itself. This insane dictator must be stopped.
 
Rainbow said:
To be honest, i doubt on Putins sanity at this point. Hes getting old. Stalin was absolutely paranoid in old age. And Putin is babbling a lot of conspiracy theories lately.

A war is absolutely unnecessary and dangerous. Just one spark and we are at the edge of WW3. I fully understand why the west is retreating, trying to avoid WW3. I dont know if that is the right decision. I personally think, let ukraine join Nato and fuck Putin over. Strength is the only language this idiot understands. There is nothing that could appease him anyway. But no one knows how he would react.

No one knows if he stop at ukraine either. And there is no one to blame this time bit russia itself. This insane dictator must be stopped.
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Viewing geopolitics in good guys vs. bad guys is reductive and unhelpful IMO. But I will say this, NATO's primary goal is to strengthen the imperial core, not support countries that can't defend themselves. The US would only get involved to protect their own interests and they are flagrantly pushing pro-war sentiment when even Ukrainian government officials are asking them to take it down a notch. This will only get Ukranians and Russians killed. The whole "tough on dictators" line of rhetoric is the same way we got into the mess that was the Iraq War.
 
Mekanos said:
Viewing geopolitics in good guys vs. bad guys is reductive and unhelpful IMO. But I will say this, NATO's primary goal is to strengthen the imperial core, not support countries that can't defend themselves. The US would only get involved to protect their own interests and they are flagrantly pushing pro-war sentiment when even Ukrainian government officials are asking them to take it down a notch. This will only get Ukranians and Russians killed. The whole "tough on dictators" line of rhetoric is the same way we got into the mess that was the Iraq War.
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I dont get the abstract level you are observing this situation.

Putin is soon to give order for a full blown attack- war on ukraine, just because of his russia- imperialism dreams. Ten of thousands will die, hundred of thousands will flee. Just because of Putins insane mindstate. Yes, that's pure evil. There's no "both sides" this time. It's on russia and only on russia alone. Everything else is war propaganda.

I hope the allies will support ukraine in anyway possible that is not direct combat. Driving the costs for this mass murderer as high as it can get.

Besides that i really start to fear for the life of my children. No one can guarantee that Putin will stop there. If he decides to attack baltikum for whatever insane reason, we are directly in WW3. Don't tell me it can't happen. We are faster in repeat of the spiraling of the 1920s than one can see. It's like, "Hitler won't attack poland, oh well but he won't attack scandinavia, oh well but it would be insane he attack paris or russia" all over again.

I was telling people more than ten years ago, we should invest more in education and sozial justice, because right- wing parties are on the move worldwide. That was even before Trump, AFD &Co. No one believes me than. Now no one is laughing anymore. They just refuse to talk about it because they fear truth. they Same with climate change.

I hope i'm wrong this time. But let's watch this escalate quicker than anyone thought possible. Humanity on the brink of Insanity once more.
 
This is why I encourage everyone to just tune out the Ukraine stuff. It's not good for you and most of the news comes from US sources desperate for a war.
 
Rainbow said:
Putin is soon to give order for a full blown attack
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Based on what?

This is part of a long drawn out conflict involving western powers planting NATO bases around Russia's borders and wanting to further increase their influence. No, Putin isn't some blameless child in this endeavor, but NATO is fueled by weapon makers like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. We also know for a fact that they are funding the journalism pushing for war in Ukraine. So I'm going to take the stance that they shouldn't be involved.

As a Marxist, I don't support NATO and think it is a tool of imperialist aggression for western sovereignty. They don't have the best interest of Ukraine's population at heart, or any country's.



This wasn't even a radical stance a few years ago. Obama himself was against arming Ukraine:

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That's not even getting into the logistics of what an actual invasion from Russia into all of Europe would look like. 2022 Russia isn't 1939 Germany. Fear and anxiety over global tensions is normal, but I'm not going to abandon my political worldview over it.

The US getting directly involved will only make tensions worse, at the end of the day.
 
You are repeating russian war propaganda through and through. They justifiing war and potential mass murdering. Congratulations.

Sure those ready for attack army on the ukrainian border is just there for holiday like in crimea...
 
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