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Discussion Xenoblade Chronicles 3 announced, launches September 2022 (no open spoilers)

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When do you think we'll get a new trailer ? The next Nintendo direct being in June, I'm sure we'll have something before, especially if the next direct features game like BOTW2, Bayonetta 3 and other surprises.

And they have to announce the collector's edition too.
Mario Strikers and FEW: Three Hopes being early and late June releases respectively has me thinking that there has to be either a bunch of game specific Directs before the big 'E3' one, or perhaps even potentially a Direct Mini, because there is no way we get nothing on those games beforehand. Maybe they just get additional info via twitter/youtube drops, though.

I could see us going until June without another look at XBC3, however. There will still be plenty of time left until (probably late) September to give it proper marketing.
 
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I don't doubt it'll be as standalone as they can make it, but like, say Neo the world ends with you, you won't be getting the full experience if you're not well aware of the previous games plots.
According to the director it can be played without knowledge of the other 2

So, it’s not something we recently added to the series. We believe the game will be enjoyable for both those who’ve played Xenoblade Chronicles and/or Xenoblade Chronicles 2, as well as those who will be playing a Xenoblade Chronicles game for the first time.
 
I did a writeup in the Xeno series thread that I think is relevant to this thread too so I'm sharing it here. I've been wondering about something in particular after the recent Takahashi message. This involves spoiler discussion of Xenoblade 1, Xenoblade X, and Xenoblade 2.

First, here's the relevant section from the English version of Takahashi's message:

The key visual features a broken great sword of Mechonis and the body of the Urayan Titan with a gaping wound. I imagine everyone who saw the trailer was quite surprised by the final scene. What is this visual hinting at? I can’t reveal that just yet. What I can tell you is that this visual was conceived quite some time ago. More precisely speaking, we came up with it sometime between the end of development of Xenoblade Chronicles and the beginning of development of Xenoblade Chronicles 2. So, it’s not something we recently added to the series.

Specifically how he says the visual was conceptualized between the completion of Xenoblade 1 and before the start of Xenoblade 2's development. I've also seen a claim that the Japanese version of the message seems to imply the visual was conceptualized a long time before work Xenoblade 2 began.

I double checked the original Japanese statement. It says "『ゼノブレイド2』の開発に入る大分前から構想していたものでした。

" The English translation seems to omit the word "大分" which clarifies that it was created a considerable amount of time before XC2's development.






We know planning began for Xenoblade 2 began in July 2014 (source). If the tweet is correct, long before Xenoblade 2's development began might mean the visual was conceptualized early to midway through the development of Xenoblade X. I started wondering if any interviews about Xenoblade X could have been hinting at Takahashi conceptualizing ideas for future games during the production of Xenoblade X, and I did remember one specific conversation from the Xenoblade X Iwata Asks.

Kojima:
Come to think of it, Takahashi-san wrote a lot. I've worked with Takahashi-san for a long time, but this was the first time I've seen him write so much for a game's plot. It was as if he was writing a novel.

Takeda:
Yes, it was like reading a novel.

Kojima:
It was quite a read on its own, so I even suggested to Takahashi-san to get it published.

Iwata:
In other words, you put together a script using the pages and pages of plot written beforehand.

Takeda:
That's correct. I carefully picked out the stories that fit with the game's content and scale and turned them into scripts.

Koh Kojima and Yuichiro Takeda mentioned Takahashi writing an enormous amount during the development of Xenoblade X, with Takeda then picking the stories that would get used for the game and fleshing them out into scripts. I had always assumed Takahashi's writing mentioned in this conversation was either an initial story bible for Xenoblade X or a story bible for a potential series of Xenoblade X games.

There's one more quote I can remember that's relevant to this discussion, and it's from a 2020 interview with Takahashi.

VG247: On this topic, there's some curious small game-connecting changes in Definitive Edition - like Alvis' necklace being changed to reference Xenoblade Chronicles 2. Is your intent behind changes like this just a nod and a wink to fans, or are these attempts to more deeply and more obviously connect the universes of the games? Do you want to draw these universes closer together?

Takahashi: From the beginning, each entry in the Xenoblade Chronicles series has depicted a single episode within the flow of a larger time and space. So they are, at their roots, closely connected with each other, but we’re flexible with changing the means and ways in which we depict this in each entry.

Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 are like two sides of the same coin which might be why it feels like the connection between them seems to be particularly standing out.

Going by this quote, it sounds like Takahashi is saying Xenoblade X is connected with the rest of the series. Between all of these quotes over the years, I'm starting to wonder if some of the story concepts for Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade 3 might have originated from this same story bible. If Xenoblade X is completely separate from the numbered entries, this possibility might not make much sense. Since Takahashi seems to be claiming each entry in the Xenoblade series is connected though, it might be possible that some of the ideas for Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade 3 stem from the same story bible Takahashi wrote during the development of Xenoblade X.

This next claim is more of a stretch, but I'm starting to wonder if Takahashi's writings during Xenoblade X's development weren't just a story bible for Xenoblade X or a potential Xenoblade X series. I'm beginning to question if they might have been a story bible for the Xenoblade series as a whole. Dare I say something along the lines of a Xenoblade Perfect Works timeline.
 
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When do you think we'll get a new trailer ? The next Nintendo direct being in June, I'm sure we'll have something before, especially if the next direct features game like BOTW2, Bayonetta 3 and other surprises.

And they have to announce the collector's edition too.
I would bet my entire savings account on the June Direct, which will be a mishmash of a story and gameplay trailer. Then we will get a final story trailer with a melodramatic vocal song in the September Direct. There is a decent possibility they will release a Xenoblade 3 “Direct” around August/September.
 
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According to the director it can be played without knowledge of the other 2

I don't doubt they would say that. Not a single person would come out and say "yeah, you shouldn't buy our game if you've not dropped hundreds of hours on the franchise already". The directors at square said the exact same thing about NeoTWEWY. It doesn't make it entirely truthful.

It's just not possible to at the same time make a meaningful sequel to two previous games world's and have them be entirely separate to the point where you don't gain anything from having played the previous ones.
 
Between the "clocks" present in all the weapons and Lanz and Eunie swapping weapons in the trailer (Lanz alternates between greatsword and shield, Eunie between staff and rifle) I'm guessing one of the gimmicks of the new combat system will be tranforming weapons midfight.
 
Between the "clocks" present in all the weapons and Lanz and Eunie swapping weapons in the trailer (Lanz alternates between greatsword and shield, Eunie between staff and rifle) I'm guessing one of the gimmicks of the new combat system will be tranforming weapons midfight.
I would be happy with that. It would be similar to my idea of replacing Torna's vanguard/rearguard mechanic with a stance mechanic.
 
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Any of the previous games (1, 2 and torna) can be played without any knowledge of each other, not sure why it would be different for the 3rd one

Because this is a direct sequel to 1 and 2, and they made that explicitly clear.

I also still disagree with the idea that you can play Torna without having first played 2. Like, it's technically true in that you can put the game in your switch without having played 2, and the directors said as much (because, again, they're trying to sell as many copies of a product as possible), but in a practical sense you're absolutely not getting the same experience from Torna without the knowledge that the game frankly assumes you have about the games systems and certain characters.
 
3 doesn't really seem the same. They were deliberately coy about any inter game connections between 1-2 and they're largely in the bonus dlc areas.

Meanwhile the very first information we got about this game directly shows people that at least appearto be previous major party members from both games and they explicitly told us it'll be about the future of the world's from both games.

I don't doubt it'll be as standalone as they can make it, but like, say Neo the world ends with you, you won't be getting the full experience if you're not well aware of the previous games plots.
I'm not questioning that playing the previous games is going to enhance the experience, I'm just not seeing this as more of a fan service kind of thing, not like something as the trails series.
 
I'm not questioning that playing the previous games is going to enhance the experience, I'm just not seeing this as more of a fan service kind of thing, not like something as the trails series.

Fan service is having the monado as a hairpin in Xenoblade X, not having two previous party members appear to be leading major factions in the game world.
 
Because this is a direct sequel to 1 and 2, and they made that explicitly clear.

I also still disagree with the idea that you can play Torna without having first played 2. Like, it's technically true in that you can put the game in your switch without having played 2, and the directors said as much (because, again, they're trying to sell as many copies of a product as possible), but in a practical sense you're absolutely not getting the same experience from Torna without the knowledge that the game frankly assumes you have about the games systems and certain characters.
You are totally wrong in Torna part. I watch youtuber play Torna before main and it hit different for them. These kinds of concerns are likely only from those who played all.
 
Between the "clocks" present in all the weapons and Lanz and Eunie swapping weapons in the trailer (Lanz alternates between greatsword and shield, Eunie between staff and rifle) I'm guessing one of the gimmicks of the new combat system will be tranforming weapons midfight.

Since there's no blade switching in this game, this is probably the closest thing to adapting that system. I wonder if there are only 2 transformations or there will be more variations per character.
 
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It won't be a problem. Playing the previous games will obviously enhance the experience but the story itself will be a self-contained thing with a clear beginning, middle and end. Like I said in a previous comment I don't think they'll do Xenosaga style immediate direct sequels again (play the previous game or you won't understand what's going on)
 
I've been looking for it but I find none available yet. Is there a way to make sure I get one before a bot? I never get special editions, but having loved Xenoblade 1 and 2 I want this one.

Not sure. I got lucky with XB2 and it wasn't that popular then.
 
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Announcement trailer first big area comparison.
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Announcement trailer first big area comparison.
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I just noticed that the area on the right from XC3 might be Gaur Plains, or atleast kinda close to it. You can see what looks to be one of Gaur Plain's iconic spires on the left side of the image:
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I've been watching some reaction videos and I have to say, if you didn't instantly recognize the Uraya titan and the Mechonis Sword, then you're not a true fan! You need to go back and play all 200+ hours of the previous two games.
 
Seeing how much forestry it has now I'm sure we will!


I think there will be more.

I hope so - though I wouldn't mind seeing this larger arc conclude. I don't want to make it through another 10 years of life just to see how it all ends!

Intrigued to see what they do with X in the future, if anything.
 
I hope so - though I wouldn't mind seeing this larger arc conclude. I don't want to make it through another 10 years of life just to see how it all ends!

Intrigued to see what they do with X in the future, if anything.

I think they will tie it into X at some point. I pretty much assume X either takes place in the distant future, post Earth or another dimension.
 
I've been watching some reaction videos and I have to say, if you didn't instantly recognize the Uraya titan and the Mechonis Sword, then you're not a true fan! You need to go back and play all 200+ hours of the previous two games.
Tbf, Uraya Titan was barely recognizable after some parts of its body went missing lol. I thought it was a new funny looking titan.
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I think they will tie it into X at some point. I pretty much assume X either takes place in the distant future, post Earth or another dimension.

Trying to avoid spoilers and I'm not an expert on X lore, but maybe humans went to space before... uh... certain critical events... happen in the ancient past of... uh... one of the Xenoblade games?

Maybe that's why they're on a different planet?
 
Tbf, Uraya Titan was barely recognizable after some parts of its body went missing lol. I thought it was a new funny looking titan.
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Uhhh...I don't think this comparison helps your case. They look exactly the same minus the bill chunk missing in the middle. The side by side shot makes is unmistakably obvious that it's the Uraya titan from the Xenoblade 2 boxart.
 
Uhhh...I don't think this comparison helps your case. They look exactly the same minus the bill chunk missing in the middle. The side by side shot makes is unmistakably obvious that it's the Uraya titan from the Xenoblade 2 boxart.
Ofc it's easier to spot after put it side by side, the announcement video was heavily compressed and the position of Uraya titan wasn't exactly like it was in XC2 cover either that makes harder for the first viewing of the trailer to notice Uraya Titan.
 
Trying to avoid spoilers and I'm not an expert on X lore, but maybe humans went to space before... uh... certain critical events... happen in the ancient past of... uh... one of the Xenoblade games?

Maybe that's why they're on a different planet?
Who knows! But possibly. I mean, as soon as you load X you are told humans left Earth due to an invasion, got attacked again, and crash landed on Mira. So anything is possible. And the game as Nopons, so it is connected for sure.

My theory is that XC3 at the end will somehow tie into X, and then the next game will be X2 (this is getting confusing lol)

Also, where the hell is my X port? Don't even need a remaster. Keep it as is. Maybe ONLY improve the faces, font, and add some dynamic lighting because the game still looks gorgeous on Wii U and would not want to play it sub native handheld.

I can always whip out X on Wii U, but the font is wayyyyyyyyyyy to small for GamePad use and the second screen IMO is vital for best experience.
 
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Announcement trailer first big area comparison.
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I think I actually prefer the more vibrant tone of XC2. XC3 looks a bit dull in comparison.

Speaking of which, I hope they implement ways to explore the world similar to BOTW since XC2 could be a bit clunky in terms of movement (especially when you tried to jump into any new surface).
 
Trying to avoid spoilers and I'm not an expert on X lore, but maybe humans went to space before... uh... certain critical events... happen in the ancient past of... uh... one of the Xenoblade games?

Maybe that's why they're on a different planet?
Yeah buuuut
like almost immediately after they went to space, Earth got blowed up by alien factions fighting a massive war. In the numbered Xenoblade lore, Earth survived.
 
Yeah buuuut
like almost immediately after they went to space, Earth got blowed up by alien factions fighting a massive war. In the numbered Xenoblade lore, Earth survived.

True, but we have a multiverse of sorts happening here. And even if we go by the two different lores as we know it right now, X can theoretically happen much father in the future than the Chronicles.
 
All this talk about ties with Xenogears/XenoSaga...

Oh God

Melia Magdalen.
Well, that would certainly be something. I can hear someone furiously typing a thesis on the subject right now.
That relies soley on the whims of beings even the Zohars power can not compete with.

Legal teams.
I'm not sure it necessarily comes down to that, at least depending how things would be handled, given Mary Magdalene comes from the Bible and then also from Gnostiv writings. Takahashi's previous works might complicate things in some ways, perhaps, but I tend to assume it doesn't preclude the possibility of tying back to that concept in general.
 
Can't wait to see more Mechon technologies in XC3. Very good stuff so far especially this awesome looking machine.
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True, but we have a multiverse of sorts happening here. And even if we go by the two different lores as we know it right now, X can theoretically happen much father in the future than the Chronicles.
Ooooooooh so like
the earth that humanity escapes from in X could be the far future of the rebuilt earth after its saved in 2? And since X's Earth is obviously "our" Earth (one of the ships is New Los Angeles) that means Xenoblade 2 is in our distant past, not our future.

* Pooh Bear thinking pose *
 
Well, that would certainly be something. I can hear someone furiously typing a thesis on the subject right now.

I'm not sure it necessarily comes down to that, at least depending how things would be handled, given Mary Magdalene comes from the Bible and then also from Gnostiv writings. Takahashi's previous works might complicate things in some ways, perhaps, but I tend to assume it doesn't preclude the possibility of tying back to that concept in general.

Oh of course it doesn't. I mean they've been using variations of the concept the entire time. The Magdalene theme is just another one of the variations from the monolith concept.

I mean they unofficially have the multiverse on lock. Have since the day they chose their name and logo.... Even if they don't have the rights to their past, the allusions are a lock. Its literally what the monoliths from the 2001 series (2001, 2010, 2061) do (the companies chosen namesake and logo), and is a perfect setup for variations on the theme on Infinite different worlds and universes from the same source+ (cross?) interesting themes and philosophies.

what this is the difference of is Kos-Mos TM and Cos-Mos wink wink.

there is a good relationship with bamco right now, so I know it's at least enough for a cameo/Easter egg, cause, well, been there, but not sure if it's enough to effectively give the whole enchilada which could suddenly become super lucrative.... But not under the franchise rights/product ip they own, and the success might not flow back to them.

which is a shame for saga fans, as I feel that could be a great way to light the fires for interest in a saga remaster, which sputtered out in the recent past.
 
If XC3 is the end of the trilogy then I guess MS can focus on XCX next and who knows? Maybe even finish the frikking story now.

(Still think Xenoblade Chronicles X should be rebranded as "Xenocross: Episode 1").
 


Looks like Imran confirms that Xenoblade 3 will be the end of the Xenoblade 1-3 arc instead of the conclusion of the entire series. There will likely be more Xenoblade games as I suspected.


I never expected this to be the last Xenoblade or Xeno game. Monolithsoft has already shown with X that a Xenoblade game can be disconnected from other games in the series.
 
Klaus straight up says he's being punished by someone "above". That's probably just the upper domain the Zohar is from, the actual god of the universe. Like, biblical god, not man-made Klaus god. The Zohar most likely returned back to its dad. I hope they expand on that in this game

There is definitely an 'upper domain' the Zohars/conduits/monoliths are from, but I don't think we are going to get there yet, were still following the path of the known one, the idea is still there is just the one, and as for ..... Gods.... unless Takahashi plans on completely lampshading his love letter instead of continuing his homage take on it:
from the source material: it's a project from an extremely advanced alien race that seeded countless worlds/universes with monoliths/Zohars which jump started their civilizations and technology in various ways, from jump starting basic tool use from bones, to developing religions, to space fare, in the space Odyssey franchise the civilization advanced by the monolith on earth was deemed a failure and the project scheduled for.... Cancellation, however the process was automated and the alien race no longer existed.... So there was no one for our one time astronaut that got metaphysically/digitally reincarnated into a energy wave existance cosmos travelling representative of earth, and his mentally compounded chess loving, delightfully well spoken ai companion to plead with... Yet all these monoliths we're still carrying out the program playing god with all these worlds

As for Klaus, his character makes this really fun and interesting. He may in fact be aware from studying the conduit as he was originally a scientist, of what's going on, and actually be talking about being punished by the creators of the conduit. But even as the good side, Klaus, is still such a massively arrogant and dramatic character, that it's also just as likely he was just being a drama queen about his mess.
 
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Maybe I missed it, but the one thing I haven't encountered being speculated is what will be the "Xenoblade" in this game. Basically, the always sought after magical sword in the series. We have the Monado in 1, the Aegis in 2.
 
Maybe I missed it, but the one thing I haven't encountered being speculated is what will be the "Xenoblade" in this game. Basically, the always sought after magical sword in the series. We have the Monado in 1, the Aegis in 2.

It's definitely Noah's red sword. The problem to overcome is, the 'magic' comes from
the conduit, it's the power source, and that's disappeared somewhere.
so in order for it's potential to be awakened, contact must be re-established.

The world...... Has a need for 'gods'.
 
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