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I actually agree with all the bullet points, I just don't see them as pessimistic.


Who knows, could happen.

I would say it's 50-50 lpddr5 or lpddr5x. 12 or 16 gb.

I don't know of he counts three. 2 at most, Lovelace and Blackwell. The thing is that, we're still getting the node and efficiency upgrade, which is by far the most significant feature of Lovelace. Frame gen woudnt have been particularly useful in a handheld either way. A 4 nm ampere chip is definitely not night and day worse than a Lovelace chip.


Probably. Personally hoping for reflective igzo. Also lcd has gained improvements since Switch 1 came out.



Outdated compared to what? Which mobile socs with comparable power budget will have leaps and bounds better video game performance?
That's fair, and you raise some good points, especially about the idea of it being "outdated", but based on what we know, even what we don't, I don't presently think a delay out of this fiscal year is likely. Certainly not one from say, March '25 to November.
 
Right looking back now, i didnt realize how good we had it, we had an official codename, Nintendo acknowledging its existence and we had a release timing plus we only had to deal with crazy rumors during a like a six month window of 2016 until October
It was good and it wasn't.

Nintendo: Yes, we're working on a new system to succeed the Wii U.
Fans: So tell us about it?
Nintendo: No.

A year later:
Nintendo: That new system is getting the new Zelda.
Fans: ...so what is the system?
Nintendo: No.

Until the Eurogamer report in July, we really had very little to go on. There were AMD rumors all the way up through that point, which lent themselves to Nintendo actually competing (or beating? It's been a while) with the PS4 graphically. Even after the Eurogamer report, we just wanted to see the damn thing that we basically knew was releasing in March... and it still took Nintendo another three months.
 
This is a very great comment. Covid changed the plans way more that we can think probably.

But if people are still buying Switch 1, it's also a great time to give them Switch 2. New potential consumers + old ones waiting to upgrade is a big deal.

True, though the folks who are buying a Switch right now are not interested in buying a Switch 2 right away to begin with. Looking at the Graph Steve posted, there are STILL people buying a PS4, which also means they're not interesting in getting a PS5 anytime soon. Even I don't own either Xbox Series, or PS5, and probably the biggest reason is my backlog of games. I have enough games in my Switch Library, PS4 library, and PC Library to last me 5 years for sure.

The only reason why I would want a Switch 2 is to continue playing Nintendo games, but also in the 99.99% chance it supports BC for all Switch 1 titles.
 
You can blame the dumb bird when he seen that people were very clearly getting higher expectations to the point where Switch 2 was trending and he let it keep going for nearly 24 hours without even the slightest clarification that it wasn't Switch 2 related, also i dont care if people think i am overreacting but i have personally blocked the bird for this mass troll
I disagree but you do you I guess.
 
You can blame the dumb bird when he seen that people were very clearly getting higher expectations to the point where Switch 2 was trending and he let it keep going for nearly 24 hours without even the slightest clarification that it wasn't Switch 2 related, also i dont care if people think i am overreacting but i have personally blocked the bird for this mass troll
I have to agree with this sentiment. This was a troll. Plain and simple.
 
True, though the folks who are buying a Switch right now are not interested in buying a Switch 2 right away to begin with. Looking at the Graph Steve posted, there are STILL people buying a PS4, which also means they're not interesting in getting a PS5 anytime soon. Even I don't own either Xbox Series, or PS5, and probably the biggest reason is my backlog of games. I have enough games in my Switch Library, PS4 library, and PC Library to last me 5 years for sure.

The only reason why I would want a Switch 2 is to continue playing Nintendo games, but also in the 99.99% chance it supports BC for all Switch 1 titles.
The thing with a march launch is that it's a good way to let all the die hard fans and enthusiast buy the system, like the Switch, with a decent output of games, until the big holiday game releases (Mario kart X being the prime contender), that brings all the family and christmas givers to buy the system.

Like i'm guessing Nintendo are extremely disappointed for not hitting a holiday release, but at the end Nintendo would prefer not hitting a drought and instead have a consistent output for Switch 2 exclusives and not cross gen titles.
 
You can blame the dumb bird when he seen that people were very clearly getting higher expectations to the point where Switch 2 was trending and he let it keep going for nearly 24 hours without even the slightest clarification that it wasn't Switch 2 related, also i dont care if people think i am overreacting but i have personally blocked the bird for this mass troll
Technically he was plain as day.
People just focused their attention to the dipswitches on the cart.

It was the reactions that lead people on.
 
I actually agree with all the bullet points, I just don't see them as pessimistic.


Who knows, could happen.

I would say it's 50-50 lpddr5 or lpddr5x. 12 or 16 gb.

I don't know of he counts three. 2 at most, Lovelace and Blackwell. The thing is that, we're still getting the node and efficiency upgrade, which is by far the most significant feature of Lovelace. Frame gen woudnt have been particularly useful in a handheld either way. A 4 nm ampere chip is definitely not night and day worse than a Lovelace chip.


Probably. Personally hoping for reflective igzo. Also lcd has gained improvements since Switch 1 came out.



Outdated compared to what? Which mobile socs with comparable power budget will have leaps and bounds better video game performance?

I mean, compared to literally existing mobile SOCs, you are correct, but it's going to feel not great if this thing can't do quality RTGI and it's the only Nintendo system for a very long time because tech (ESPECIALLY mobile tech) has slowed down so much. If you can't do RTGI in a meaningful way at 60 FPS then probably very few Switch 2 games will have RTGI (as Nintendo's games usually target 60) and that will make the titles look pretty outdated pretty quickly (especially as the PS6 isn't very far off).

There's like hypothetical tech you could cobble together in 2026 if you were designing a mobile SOC for a late 2026 release that could provide a bigger boost, though this obviously hasn't been combined in an actual product and thus couldn't realistically happen commercially.
 
I’ve been saying this for the longest time as well.
Why kill the cow when it’s still giving milk.
Only way Nintendo wouldn’t stretch switch is if it was mediocre in sales. A great selling system gives them more time to cook the successor

You don't need to kill it now, though I'd be looking to have another Cow in its place for the next generation of milk, and the older one being phased out. You should have at least some overlap as to not disrupt production.


(...I am not a Farmer, just someone who loves eating farm animals)
 
The thing with a march launch is that it's a good way to let all the die hard fans and enthusiast buy the system, like the Switch, with a decent output of games, until the big holiday game releases (Mario kart X being the prime contender), that brings all the family and christmas givers to buy the system.

Like i'm guessing Nintendo are extremely disappointed for not hitting a holiday release, but at the end Nintendo would prefer not hitting a drought and instead have a consistent output for Switch 2 exclusives and not cross gen titles.

To be fair, that is all speculation. We have zero confirmation from Nintendo when the system launches, and may, or may not hear about it this upcoming briefing on May 7th. For all we know, the "delay" was internally discussed as a possibility if manufacturing wasn't able to keep it up with projected demand. The system could be unveiled this month for a November launch, and then everyone is scratching their heads about, "But-but-but the delay!!!!"

Then Nintendo looks you straight in the eye with,
"What delay? I didn't hear about a delay. Did anyone hear about a delay? Anyone?"

"No, Sir, Nintendo!"

"Well, ok then. Carry on."

2025 is looking very likely, but I'm not completely ruling out holiday 2024.
 
You can blame the dumb bird when he seen that people were very clearly getting higher expectations to the point where Switch 2 was trending and he let it keep going for nearly 24 hours without even the slightest clarification that it wasn't Switch 2 related, also i dont care if people think i am overreacting but i have personally blocked the bird for this mass troll

I've been waiting for the fabled Switch Pro since the rumors began in Year of Our Lord 2018 (if memory serves) and the Switch Pro eventually became the Switch 2. This is the process for millennia. We get excited over a rumor, speculation, cryptic tweet, some insider thing, etc. We think the new hardware is "right around the corner" and then it never actually happens. This has been the life for years now. Our kids will tell stories and fables about the elusive Switch 2 someday and a new generation will grow up one day asking the heavens, where art thou Switch successor? Perhaps even a new religion will be formed around the prospect of Nintendo releasing a new videogame console.

Meanwhile the rest of us will still be playing Switch games on our old Switch tablets during the era of the Holo Wars and Brain Interceptor consoles!
 
I mean, compared to literally existing mobile SOCs, you are correct, but it's going to feel not great if this thing can't do quality RTGI and it's the only Nintendo system for a very long time because tech (ESPECIALLY mobile tech) has slowed down so much. If you can't do RTGI in a meaningful way at 60 FPS then probably very few Switch 2 games will have RTGI (as Nintendo's games usually target 60) and that will make the titles look pretty outdated pretty quickly (especially as the PS6 isn't very far off).

There's like hypothetical tech you could cobble together in 2026 if you were designing a mobile SOC for a late 2026 release that could provide a bigger boost, though this obviously hasn't been combined in an actual product and thus couldn't realistically happen commercially.
bro, I've shown multiple times, with games, demos, and benchmarks that what you say is kinda off at best, and pessimistic nonsense at worst. don't know why you keep on this train unless you just really want this to be bad for the "i told you so" points
 
have no idea how "Pyoro was talking about NES roms" = "Switch 2 might not make 2025", but y'all do y'all.

I agree. A tweet was speculated to be referring to Switch 2 doesn't turn out to be correct, so now the reported March 2025 launch is off the table? That is a weird take if you ask me.

The reality is if Nintendo did intend to launch Switch 2 in late 2024, then the lineup of Switch titles in the second half of 2024 was probably going be pretty lite by virtue of the focus being on the new hardware. Once the decision was made to delay, Nintendo would be looking to buff up the Switch lineup with some quick turnaround titles alongside a few they have had in their back pocket for a while now.
 
bro, I've shown multiple times, with games, demos, and benchmarks that what you say is kinda off at best, and pessimistic nonsense at worst. don't know why you keep on this train unless you just really want this to be bad for the "i told you so" points

Yeah, I just don't see any of these demos as very relevant for actual products that have to run at 60 FPS in a variety of environments and lighting conditions, lol.

Avatar is the best use of ray tracing this gen and it relies heavily on screenspace GI and screenspace reflections that I'm not sure 1.5-3 teraflop hardware can even reasonably do before getting into RT stuff.

We'll see I guess, but Skull and Bones tier RTGI is very bad so I would not like that claimed by you as a victory, lol.
 
This is in no way shape or form the birds fault. The bird posted a cart of a NES game. People ran wild with that imagination. And then a rating for said NES game was found online. Absolutely at no point did the bird allude to anything else in the tweet itself. Not once. Said bird who has shown absolutely zero care for hardware since they’ve been on the scene and they’ve only cared for software. So that is not even the birds fault at that point.

You can now reflect on this and learn from it and move on. If you got your hopes up and then got disappointed or upset with a bird that hasn’t really said anything, over something that was not what you imagined in your head, you need to take a pause, breathe, and perhaps just take a break. Return in a little bit. Maybe during the financials to see how Nintendo is doing, or return in the June Direct. Or maybe end of year.


For your own (positive) mental health, this is my suggestion.
 
What i think went wrong for Nintendo is that the continued success of the Switch made them far too complacent when it came to start developing games for the Switch 2, instead they continued too long to only develop games for Switch, which lead to a shitshow when it came to Switch 2 game development.
Nintendo isn't making craploads of Switch games because the Switch is successful. Switch is successful because Nintendo makes craploads of Switch games. Not trying to jump on you, I just hear this take a lot.

Maybe it's just the word complacent that bothers me - maybe you're right that Nintendo was late to the transition, internally. But Nintendo internal teams have never made fewer games per year in their entire video game console lifetime. They're not overfocused on Switch

Like, just for comparison - the Wii had 25 games that were developed primarily by Nintendo internal studios, between Wii Sports in November of 2006 and Mario Party 9 in April of 2012. That's a game every 2.6 months, while also developing for the handheld consoles - another 11 games!

By the time Dark Moon HD releases in June, the Switch will have 30 games developed primarily by their internal studios, over the course of 85 months. That's a game every 2.9 months, despite the fact that there is no GameBoy/DS/3DS to support anymore.

The Mario Kart team used to make a Mario Kart every 3 years! One on the TV, one on the handheld, and then back. 2D Mario Team? Even faster, same thing. 3D Mario? 2007, 2010, 2011, 2013. If you look at it this way, these teams were jumping between consoles all the time - and now they're all down to a game a generation. There is plenty of room to believe these teams transitioned to Switch 2 after making their once-per-gen entry, the same way they'd move to the handheld before jumping back. If Nintendo was putting these devs back in the Switch mines prematurely you'd expect more games from those teams.

But really, the cadence is lower. It's just that with Fire Emblem, Pokemon and even Mario versus Donkey Kong no longer handheld exclusives, the pace can stay the same while the number of games received is higher. And Nintendo has really worked to get their partner relationships in place, with Pikmin, Metroid, Smash all having permanent outside teams, the way the Mario spinoffs have.
 
Yeah, I just don't see any of these demos as very relevant for actual products that have to run at 60 FPS in a variety of environments and lighting conditions, lol.

Avatar is the best use of ray tracing this gen and it relies heavily on screenspace GI and screenspace reflections that I'm not sure 1.5-3 teraflop hardware can even reasonably do before getting into RT stuff.

We'll see I guess, but Skull and Bones tier RTGI is very bad so I would not like that claimed by you as a victory, lol.
if tech demos aren't relevant, then neither are unoptimized pc ports
 
Having just watched the video, I'm looking forward to the new hardware, showing playing GTA6 and Alan Wake 2, as well as the previously announced Metroid Prime 4. The new button functionality is a nice addition to the original joycon. What's the game that controls Link? Looks like a new zelda game.
Just mimicking what happened in October 2016,in fact this is we first time to see odyssey.
 
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I totally expect Nintendo to acknowledge the Sw2tch on May 7th with the following like this:

For our dedicated video game platform business, Nintendo is currently developing a successor to Nintendo Switch™ console. This new platform will launch in March 2025 globally. Please look forward to more details in the future.

And then, the branches on X will make the akin tweet they did the same with NX, something like: The next generation of #Nintendo is coming March 2025!
 
So as a surface level thing, it wasn't a troll.

But he immediately received tons of replies asking if it was the Switch 2 and refused to answer those because he thought it would be funny to not reply.

Which is trolling, but that's fine.
Maybe he just doesn't get on Twitter(X) much after he makes a post. I doubt he did something because funni
 
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I totally expect Nintendo to acknowledge the Sw2tch on May 7th with the following like this:

For our dedicated video game platform business, Nintendo is currently developing a successor to Nintendo Switch™ console. This new platform will launch in March 2025 globally. Please look forward to more details in the future.

And then, the branches on X will make the akin tweet they did the same with NX, something like: The next generation of #Nintendo is coming March 2025!
I doubt they’ll be that specific at all.
 
This is in no way shape or form the birds fault.
Come on now, He absolutely took the piss out of everyone with this one.
He was 100% intentionally trolling by posting an image (of something nobody cares about) with "Switches", liking a comment joking about the Switch 2 and waiting a full day to clarify what it actually was.
He's always been upfront and direct when it's minor shit nobody cares about like NSO stuff and always likes the correct answers pretty quickly when He's vague.
The idea that he didn't think that people would make a connection with the Switch 2 is ridiculous, He isn't stupid, He lurks this thread and He knows what he's doing.

Said bird who has shown absolutely zero care for hardware since they’ve been on the scene and they’ve only cared for software.
He did that less than a week ago.
 
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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
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This is in no way shape or form the birds fault. The bird posted a cart of a NES game. People ran wild with that imagination. And then a rating for said NES game was found online. Absolutely at no point did the bird allude to anything else in the tweet itself. Not once. Said bird who has shown absolutely zero care for hardware since they’ve been on the scene and they’ve only cared for software. So that is not even the birds fault at that point.

You can now reflect on this and learn from it and move on. If you got your hopes up and then got disappointed or upset with a bird that hasn’t really said anything, over something that was not what you imagined in your head, you need to take a pause, breathe, and perhaps just take a break. Return in a little bit. Maybe during the financials to see how Nintendo is doing, or return in the June Direct. Or maybe end of year.


For your own (positive) mental health, this is my suggestion.
I don't think it's that serious, but I do definitely think the bird posted a picture with the word "SW 2"because it was a perfect trolling opportunity.

And Im pretty sure the reason they so far only been about software, is because their sources are in marketing. When marketing starts working on a Switch 2 campaign, we will hear it from the bird.
 
He was 100% intentionally trolling by posting an image (of something nobody cares about)
Which was literally the thing that's releasing. Nintendo World Championship: NES Edition. It's not their fault that y'all are obsessed with an announcement that nobody will actually remember once it launches. "Oh but they liked a tweet about the Switch 2" They liked a tweet making fun of it. Y'all need to take a step back and rethink that not everything is a hidden ARG hint about the fucking Switch 2. They owe people nothing and this is the actual kind of shit that make people with actual information not want to bother leaking stuff anymore.
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.

already been done
 
I do think that if the meeting comes and ends with “Switch is still our focus heading into 2025.” then that will probably be bad news for this thing coming anytime soon.
Will it hurt Nintendo? At the moment, probably. But in the long run it won’t matter at all.
The best case scenario is Nintendo giving a simple "No comment." on the subject matter of a new system.
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
And months later Nintendo will drop the trailer of Switch 2.
 
I have a long theory about where the hate stems from but I will leave it for myself for now. I am just happy we would have someone to advocate a metroid movie.
The simple answer is because of MCU fans didn’t like her and her movie (despite her not being a writer) also because people overreacted with her being with her coworkers, like, surprisingly not everyone is gonna click with each other.

But I respect her for buying a Wii U with her own money. And being I think the only advocate for it.
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.

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Today on Saturday May 11th, Nintendo unveils the Nintendo Switch 2 is launching this September with an all-new gorgeous 3D open world Mario, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time remake, Metroid Prime 4 and Mario Kart 10 all ready on day one!

Here is an inside look on the beefy console capable of 4K/60 with DLSS upscaling and raytracing capabilities...
 
But I respect her for buying a Wii U with her own money. And being I think the only advocate for it.
A die hard Nintendo fan. If she is a die hard metroid fan, we can have someone tell the behind scene staff how to portray metroid.
 
If Nintendo does not acknowledge the next generation Switch, it won’t be sudden doom and gloom, and we’ve been through this road I don’t know how many times.

That said, Switch was announced with a launch date in April 2016 during an Investor’s Meeting, so there is a possibility of the same for Switch 2 occurring on May 7th.

Interestingly, May 7th would be a cool time to confirm the console’s existence by the horse’s mouth, followed by a reveal trailer in June, and a media blowout Direct for cross platform titles.

We’ve also been suggesting here that the moment the system is being manufactured with final hardware, leaks will be happening galore, and Nintendo, once again, wants to control the narrative. If they get ahead of it all by announcing, and showing off the new system, then all those leakers and insiders have little leverage to stand on.

Then Nintendo can just coast along the summer and fall months, and depending on if it’s late 2024, or early 2025, they have enough finished games sitting on the shelf ready to go.
 
I've been playing FFVII Rebirth on the PS Portal most of today from a hotel 20 miles away from my PS5. Is it perfect? not at all but it's great 90% of the time and when the image does break up a little or drop frames it still feels better than the majority of multiplatform AAA games on Switch.

With that in mind imagine that once you bought Switch 2 you could then use your original Switch as a device to play games when you're not able to get to your native hardware. The OLED would have an insane battery life with it's chipset just streaming games. The feature would make a neat little bonus on Nintendo Online+ or something imo.
 
Pyoro Wan Kenobi was my only hope. I am back to 'announcement next calendar year, release next fiscal year' mode. Until then playing P5T.

Vanquished every hint of doubt
'Cause here, lousy vibes are out of bounds
Call us contumelious
Couldn't care less, nobody wanted to impress
Working on a thorough purge
Move away or be knocked off your perch
We strive for the greater good
Firm ground, we stood even when misunderstood
Took for granted the easier way of life
The moment to now decide
Is it worth causing all the endless strife?
Hear your voice burning inside
Maybe there will be mercy
Soon enough, you'll see
On the contrary belief
It won't end in grief if you confront reality
Pick your poison
Truth or dare
Let's be fair
Take the pair
For us to be square
We were born
First forlorn
Then reborn
To live to transform
Set things straight
Not too late
Liberate the world from stalemate
It's our life
We shall drive
Don't deprive
What nature designed
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
You make a really good argument for negative Yeah's.
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
Y'all need hobbies not related to the launch of a Nintendo console, and fast. Shit's wild.
 
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read except for the Steam part. But I'll give you the benefit of doubt that you're being sarcastic.

EDIT: Sorry, never mind. Looks like you were just doing a copypasta.
 
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But I respect her for buying a Wii U with her own money. And being I think the only advocate for it.
A die hard Nintendo fan. If she is a die hard metroid fan, we can have someone tell the behind scene staff how to portray metroid.
I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here:

If they don't acknowledge Switch 2 next week, then they have no fucking business continuing to be a First Party because they clearly can't handle all the necessities of being a major platform holder. It's not just whether or not their hardware has been lacking, it's also the implication that their subpar handling of announcing new hardware has zero excuses.

Steam is free and yet it's a thousand times more functional than the Switch's garbage OS and NSO.
Yeah, I agree. They have no business being a first party company. Who cares that they have 65 titles that are million seller. They have extremely subpar handling of announcing next gen title, like is Nintendo stupid? Everyone is wanting to move on from the 5, nope, the 4, nope, the third best selling dedicated gaming hardware ever.

Yeah, steam is so much better that they had to copy Nintendo's format gain more success. Yeah! Take that Nintendo, who's market cap is 12 times the amount of valve!
 
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