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Discussion [Stephen Totilo] Samus Aran never made it into Fortnite because Nintendo only wanted the skin available for Nintendo Switch users

Bad move from Nintendo considering how big Fortnite, letting everyone knows who Samus Aran is would have give a little boost their IP.
 
They saw her doing the funny dances and they said "She wouldn't do that" and shut it down /j

I'm not surprised to hear this. I don't really care either way, but it would have been fun.
 
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Yeah, that's fair (and what we've speculated for a long time).

The Rocket League Nintendo themed skins on Switch are also exclusive.
 
Forks said:
A lot of people out there sure love to pretend kids were going to immediately start buying Metroid games because of a fortnite skin 🤔
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A lot of people also pretend that Fortnite is used to market obscure characters like Master Chief, Goku and Spider-Man
 
Forks said:
A lot of people out there sure love to pretend kids were going to immediately start buying Metroid games because of a fortnite skin 🤔
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It helps brand recognition. Having a Nintendo character appear in Fortnite with potentially a designated location could help introduce the character to new audiences.

Also, Fortnite isn't just played by kids.
 
Kind of silly, but I can't pretend I'm an expert in IP management. That and I somehow doubt Nintendo weep for the five minutes of Twitter exposure that Metroid would get for having a girl in a spacesuit hit the griddy until the kids get distracted by the next shiny object or more material celebrity.
 
Silky said:
Who the fuck is Fortnite compared to Nintendo's brand lmao

Does Nintendo need Fortnite?

They have Mario
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Who said Nintendo needs Fortnite? What are you even talking about?

Freaking Spider-Man, the Avengers, and Darth Vader are in Fortnite and those are arguably just as iconic as Mario. Do Disney and Marvel need Fortnite? No. It's just something that's fun.
 
yeah that makes sense to me

playing as samus on playstation and xbox would be bad for nintendo
 
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Ryuji said:
You of course, are correct. Just remember though, they had Mario during the Wii U era too.
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Who the fuck is Call of Duty compared to Nintendo's brand lmao

Does Nintendo need Call of Duty?

They have Mario
 
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“They got really hung up on their characters showing up on platforms that weren't their platforms,” Mustard says. Fortnite ran on all consoles and PC, even mobile at the time, meaning all the crossover characters would show up on all those devices. “They would be thrilled to have Nintendo characters in Fortnite, but just only if it's on their platform.”Epic would not okay platform-specific characters. “For me and for all of Epic, we’re like, ‘That is an absolute must. We want to make sure that Fortnite is the same experience, no matter what screen or device you're playing on.’”
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Nintendo gonna Nintendo. Doubt it would've made much of an impact on Dread's sales, but it wouldn't have hurt. Fortnite is just another way to advertise to the kids.
No one's gonna think that playing as Samus on a PS5 would turn someone off from buying Metroid on Switch or make the series/character less "special"

Makes me wonder if characters like Wario/Waluigi not appearing in mainline/rpg Mario games is due some similar backwards thinking. They think it'll be more "special" if the characters are separate besides Mario Party/Sports games, but in reality it just makes their appearances more predictable
 
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Magic-Man said:
Who said Nintendo needs Fortnite? What are you even talking about?

Freaking Spider-Man, the Avengers, and Darth Vader are in Fortnite and those are arguably just as iconic as Mario. Do Disney and Marvel need Fortnite? No. It's just something that's fun.
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I have thoroughly outgrown the serotonin of seeing my favorite brand engage in another brand. I do not care.

Thus, with me not caring, I have to see it from the business perspective of both properties.

Why the hell does Nintendo need to play ball with Fortnite when they haven't had a history of playing ball with anyone for anything gaming related lmao.

What do they get out of this.
 
Not surprising if true, nitnendo is more protective/exclusive with their IPs than Disney

Silky said:
Who the fuck is Fortnite compared to Nintendo's brand lmao

Does Nintendo need Fortnite?

They have Mario
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Metroid could have used fortnite, yeah
 
Silky said:
I have thoroughly outgrown the serotonin of seeing my favorite brand engage in another brand. I do not care.

Thus, with me not caring, I have to see it from the business perspective of both properties.

Why the hell does Nintendo need to play ball with Fortnite when they haven't had a history of playing ball with anyone for anything gaming related lmao.

What do they get out of this.
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what do they lose?
 
Zeal543 said:
Not surprising if true, nitnendo is more protective/exclusive with their IPs than Disney


Metroid could have used fortnite, yeah
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What is the correlation between

A game brand being in Fortnite leading to

The success of that brand outside of Fortnite

I would be thrilled to see the numbers if you had them. Because you're saying it could've 'used' the popularity of Fortnite -- for what lmao. What are your numbers ?
 
Silky said:
I have thoroughly outgrown the serotonin of seeing my favorite brand engage in another brand. I do not care.

Thus, with me not caring, I have to see it from the business perspective of both properties.

Why the hell does Nintendo need to play ball with Fortnite when they haven't had a history of playing ball with anyone for anything gaming related lmao.

What do they get out of this.
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Maybe they should start engaging with other platforms. But then again, I'm starting to think that exclusives are bullshit and games should be available on multiple platforms.
 
I don't buy the angle one bit that fortnite would help future or past metroid games sales. Is there any data or statements from publishers showing or stating game sales increased after being added in fortnite? Also, I don't get the angle of calling people defenders because they don't care that Nintendo declined to do a crossover because its against their policies
 
Silky said:
What is the correlation between

A game brand being in Fortnite leading to

The success of that brand outside of Fortnite

I would be thrilled to see the numbers if you had them. Because you're saying it could've 'used' the popularity of Fortnite -- for what lmao. What are your numbers ?
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I don't need numbers, exposure on one of the biggest gaming platforms is good advertisement for a niche series.
 
romanithegreat said:
I don't buy the angle one bit that fortnite would help future or past metroid games sales. Is there any data or statements from publishers showing or stating game sales increased after being added in fortnite? Also, I don't get the angle of calling people defenders because they don't care that Nintendo declined to do a crossover because its against their policies
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What exactly do they lose by adding it Fortnite? Is some random person going to see Samus do a dance and think Nintendo sucks, then proceed to do the same dance with Goku and Iron Man and think it's awesome?
 
Whether or not you believe this was a worthwhile business decision, can we at least all agree that it would have been cool to have Kratos, Master Chief and Samus in the same game (the same event even) and that it's lame that we didn't?
 
I’m surprised over some of the responses on this thread (or am I really 🤔).

This would have been great marketing. I know I’ve gotten interested in other IP because of different playable skins in games.

I really want the Metroid games to get more love and I think this would have been a good step.
 
Silky said:
Having their brands on a competitor's platform is what they lose. You might think it's stupid, but hey. That's the game.
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I get the general idea of the point you're trying to make but I still can't grasp what is being lost here. If Samus does a dance on an Xbox console how does it hurt Nintendo's bottom line?
 
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Guys, it's okay, the Metroid IP didn't lose anything by not being in Fortnite.

The franchise has more than 30 years of exposure and it's a constant presence in the biggest fighting game franchise there is with over 70 million copies sold; and yet Metroid continues to be somewhat niche.

Fortnite wouldn't make the needle move at all.

--- and, if you allow my old ass cranky grandma self speak for a second: a character addition in Fortnite is the most hollow thing there is. I remember when I was on edge of actually playing the game when they added El Chapulín Colorado.. but then I saw the character holding a gun and doing stuff he'd never do in the show. As a fan, that was such an empty feeling.
 
As a hater of crossovers like this, I'm thankful Nintendo is weirdly arbitrary about how their IP is utilized.
 
Brock Reiher said:
It makes sense. Nintendo is bigger than Fortnite, what do they care?
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it's not really about being bigger or smaller, or who needs who. a lot of companies that are far bigger than epic/fortnite have lent their IP to be used in the game.

MS and sony aren't as strict about this, hence them letting kratos and master chief being used in the game. but for nintendo using their IPs to sell their hardware is all they have and for whatever reason they are not willing to compromise that exclusivity even if it's just a skin in fortnite.

so far that has worked well for them, specially in the switch generation, and while something like samus in fortnite could have led to bigger sales for metroid games, they don't seem to want to break their rule just because epic asked for samus, even if it is for using it in the biggest game in the world.
 
If that report is true, probably just an excuse used by Nintendo. Or they weren’t aware at all of what is Fortnite. There’s no way Nintendo would’ve let one of their characters fire an AK-15 (just imagine when the next school shooting happen and you have senators blaming video games, reports on TV where you see Samus firing a FAMAS) and do a TikTok dance.

And Fortnite doesn’t create publicity for the brands featured in the game, it uses existing brand recognition to sell cosmetic items. The only thing brands win by selling their IPs to Fortnite is the money Epic gives them. It’s like a company making milk paying Disney to use Mickey Mouse on the cartons: no one will buy Mickey plushies because they saw his face on the milk ; however some people will buy milk because Mickey Mouse is on it.
 
Zeal543 said:
I don't need numbers, exposure on one of the biggest gaming platforms is good advertisement for a niche series.
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You don't get to decide that, only Nintendo can truly make that call.

Honestly, this would have been far better financially for Epic, than it would be for Nintendo and Metroid. They then wanted to curb the field, and perhaps they do not want other platforms like Sony, and Xbox to profit off of their IP as well. Seeing as Metroid is Nintendo's "boutique" brand, it would devalue it and further push it to obscurity. Whatever the reason was, I guarantee you it's not the case of Nintendo leaving money on the table.
Ryuji said:
What exactly do they lose by adding it Fortnite? Is some random person going to see Samus do a dance and think Nintendo sucks, then proceed to do the same dance with Goku and Iron Man and think it's awesome?
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Console exclusivity, Metroid being associated with a game for children and having interacting with Darth Vader, Peter Griffin, and Goku, Playstation and Xbox profiting from the Metroid skin, losing the allure of the brand because it's not a good gameplay fit, ect. There are so many reasons from up on high.

I honestly don't care either way personally. But taking this as an attack from Nintendo, is rather silly. Especially this generation, we can safely say Nintendo knows what they are doing. You can be disappointed, but talking like they don't for this argument rings hollow.

Also, I just want to say. Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is on PS5, and it's characters are on fortnite. And by all metrics we have, it has sold worse than Metroid Dread so far. A character being in Fortnite does not guarantee success.
 
Magic-Man said:
It helps brand recognition. Having a Nintendo character appear in Fortnite with potentially a designated location could help introduce the character to new audiences.

Also, Fortnite isn't just played by kids.
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People have been waiting for a Metroid "comeback" that hasn't happened yet. I don't even think Prime 4 will do much to make Metroid mainstream either, much less a fortnite collab. But I'd love to be proven wrong.

The fact of the matter is that Metroid - let's throw Castlevania in the mix as well - aren't even the most popular games in the genre they spearheaded anymore. And that's bound to happen when you have huge gaps between installments and have upstart studios take up the mantle with their own takes on the genre. And that's okay. I don't think every single series needs to be a massive, mainstream hit. As long as Nintendo keeps making Metroid games, then that's a win as far as I'm concerned. I'll leave selling Metroid games to Nintendo's marketing team.
 
Lozjam said:
Also, I just want to say. Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth is on PS5, and it's characters are on fortnite. And by all metrics we have, it has sold worse than Metroid Dread so far. A character being in Fortnite does not guarantee success.
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I don't think FF7 characters are in Fortnite (yet).
 
Ripfeld89 said:
Is there any data to show there's a "Fortnite effect" where the included properties see a boost in attention? It seems like such a crowded mess of a game at this point that I can't imagine there's any significant cross promotion at play anymore. But if so, one could argue Metroid could use the boost, not that there'd still be better ways to raise awareness of Metroid.
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alan wake I guess? didn't seem to have much of an effect tho
 
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Yeah, I remember having heard about this a while back. I think it's kinda wack, personally. I don't play Fortnite, but its continued status as a massively popular gaming titan means it'd have resulted in some solid exposure for the series. If even a few thousand folks were to give Metroid a shot as a result of "that orange robot from Fortnite", that'd be rad, imo. It'd be healthy to have more people in the fandom, especially younger folks, with Metroid being a bit of a Nintendo boomer franchise and all.

I think Nintendo can be corny sometimes, nuking the potential for cool collabs and crossovers due to being generally rigid and overprotective toward external use of their characters and properties. The dinosaurs don't wanna play ball. Bummer, but it is what it is.
 
Ryuji said:
Apologies for trying to discuss on a message board.
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You're not doing that. You're making a mountain out of a molehill to prove that Nintendo's a bad company or whatever. There is no reason to lose sleep over this. And before you say that they're not my friend, neither is Epic Games lmao.

Anyway there's been more Metroid games than Donkey Kong games since 2014. Metroid's doing just fine.

Edit: not talking specifically about you but while it's fine to criticize Nintendo, nitpicking every minor business decision to prove they're the worst company ever gets obnoxious after a while.
 
I decided to do a quick and direct look at characters from major ips their release date on fornite and their performance on steam around that time (a month or so). I looked at the steamdb of Horizon Zero Dawn, Resident Evil, Deadspace, Gears 5 and the Witcher 3. The reason for these games is that a game was out on steam by the time the skin came out.

Out of all the IP I mentioned, the only one that say a spike was Horizon Zero Dawn around April 21 2021 (the skin released April 15th 2021). Granted this could also have been a spike thanks to the marketing of Forbidden West. The rest of the games barely saw activity on pc after the release of the skin.

This does not say much, first I am looking at IPs that are very console focus (minus Witcher) so maybe they saw an impact on their consoles. But also I would not say that because you IP went to fornite you suddenly have a mass number of people buying your ip. Like I mentioned with adaptation is different because you are in that world. While in fornite you just dress up as them, you have too seek out that ip which to some might no be worth it.

I want to dig more into this cause given the rise of multi-media integration its something to consider.
 
ngpdrew said:
And thank God for that! Imagine Barrett walking around with a real gun. You have one attached to your body, you dork!
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Sorry man, FF7 got leaked. I WILL play as sephiroth in fortnite and I WILL drop with the one winged angel!!! You can't stop me!!!
 
Ryuji said:
What exactly do they lose by adding it Fortnite? Is some random person going to see Samus do a dance and think Nintendo sucks, then proceed to do the same dance with Goku and Iron Man and think it's awesome?
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I am not arguing anything is lost by being added but also I dont see anything gained other than short term profits from skin sales as I dont think it will increase the sales of metroid games. I'll ask again is there any data showing fortnite increases the sales and ip awareness of any brands?
 
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