StarTopic Nintendo Switch 2 Speculation Thread |ST| The Future is Probably a Year From Now

[bmfrosty]

There are PS4 games that got "60fps upgrade patch" for PS5, mostly 1st party games like TLOU2, Ghost of Tsushima and Days Gone. Yet, many PS4 to PS5 upgrades are being handled as "games" rather than patches. Upgrading RE7, RE2R, RE3R and Destiny 2 requires you to download a "full game" .The shop and the console after downloading show them as PS5 games, separated from the PS4 version.

Nintendo wants to entice the current Switch fanbase to jump to the next gen especially with the whole "smooth transition by Nintendo account" thing. And they definitely want to grow these sweet NSO subscribers numbers. So I think it's quite possible to make the upgrades part of NSO subscription while being sold in the eShop separately, much like how they are handling DLCs right now.

Either this or that, I'm sure that 1st party upgrades won't be free lol. But we have to wait and see.

I seem to recall that games ask for a clock profile and whether the system is docked or not. I suspect that the Erista and Drake will behave differently at the same clock speeds, so a S1 game on S2 may get different clocks than requested anyway. What if they get Just get S2 equivalents to the S1 clocks (a S1 game requesting portable clocks on a S2 sets the S2 to portable clocks that a S2 game would get) and would just plain benefit from the higher clocks in regards to fewer frame-rate hiccups and better resolution in the case of variable resolution.

This is a half formed thought with no research, but I don't expect that any games should have problems with running at higher clock speeds than normal.

 

[Dekuman]

I have a wild speculation: 1st party Switch 1 games upgrades are gonna be part of Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack for Switch 2.

this is pretty wild, i don't see them doing it

Yeah, but extra content feels like a lot easier to lock out than a patch that gives better framerates and graphic, no?

if they do lock the patches behind NSO, it will be a one-time deal.
Something ike sub for a year and get all these upgrade patches for free. You own it even after you unsub. The goal is to get people to sub.
generally people are quite sticky with subs and don't unsub, especially if they add it to the basic tier.

 

[MusicProposition]

Wasn't the game essentially finished at the start of 2017? I don't doubt that there were some plans for the game that were never realized.

true

 

[TomNookYankees]

I have a wild speculation: 1st party Switch 1 games upgrades are gonna be part of Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack for Switch 2.

I'm still leaning more towards NIntendo outright abandoning the Tier 1 package for NSO. Only $20/year is not sustainable. Even $50 clearly isn't helping enough either. They will have to increase the price by 2025.

 

[Dekuman]

I'm still leaning more towards NIntendo outright abandoning the Tier 1 package for NSO. Only $20/year is not sustainable. Even $50 clearly isn't helping enough either. They will have to increase the price by 2025.

I think a price increase is very likely. I give that a 90% chance of happening.

The thing with the tier 1 is it's very impulse buy territory and it's something people sub to and forget about, which is ideal for maintaning subs.
So even a 33% increase, from say $20 to $30 a year is still more than acceptable for most users.

Expansion pass is positioned as the premium category. I will see Nintendo adding more value there, like perhaps offering actual free stuff for users of that tier that stay with people even if they cancel. Like the upgrade patches for Switch 2.

 

[kasparov77]

I'm still leaning more towards NIntendo outright abandoning the Tier 1 package for NSO. Only $20/year is not sustainable. Even $50 clearly isn't helping enough either. They will have to increase the price by 2025.

That would be really freaking dumb.

Here's the pro move:

• move some of the (smaller) games on the gba and genesis libraries to the basic plan (but keep n64 exclusivity)
• then, add the DS to the premium plan

That way you entice even more people who were subscribed but aren't anymore for whatever reason to resub while at the same time incentivizing more people to get the premium plan.

 

[kasparov77]

Also, if they increase the price of NSO I'm unsubbing. And I know a lot of people who will do the same.

 

[Ab]

Also, if they increase the price of NSO I'm unsubbing. And I know a lot of people who will do the same.

What if they added much better online gaming a and more value?

 

[kasparov77]

What if they added much better online gaming a and more value?

How 'much better' are we talking?
because if it's dedicated servers for splatoon (instead of the current peer to peer system in matches), then that's the bare minimum they already don't provide.

Bare minimum would be dedicated servers for splatoon and rollback netcode for smash.
P2P is acceptable for NSO games.

'More value' would be adding a gamepass lite-lite kind of deal where we'd get multiple titles a month (or on a every 3 months rotation) instead of a single (repeating even) game. Come the fuck on nintendo, fifa? AGAIN? really??.

 

[Ab]

How 'much better' are we talking?
because if it's dedicated servers for splatoon (instead of the current peer to peer system in matches), then that's the bare minimum they already don't provide.

Bare minimum would be dedicated servers for splatoon and rollback netcode for smash.
P2P is acceptable for NSO games.

'More value' would be adding a gamepass lite-lite kind of deal where we'd get multiple titles a month (or on a every 3 months rotation) instead of a single (repeating even) game. Come the fuck on nintendo, fifa? AGAIN? really??.

You definitely aren't wrong lol. They'd need to do much better to bump up the price. But they won't, and they will

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Guessing major launch titles now:

Q1 2025:

3D Mario
New casual IP
Assassin’s Creed Red
Monster Hunter Wilds
Star Wars Jedi 1+2
The sports games (NBA 2K25, Madden 25, EA FC 25, College Football 25)
Kingdom Hearts The Story So Far

Q2 2025:

Metroid Prime 4
Fire Emblem 4 Remake
Street Fighter VI
Black Ops 2024
Diablo 4

Q3 2026:

DKC6
Chrono Trigger Remake
Elden Ring Complete
Astral Chain 2

Q4:

Mario Kart Next
Pokemon Gen 10
Black Ops 2025
Far Cry 7
Sonic Frontiers 2

Q1 2026:

Red Dead 2
Resident Evil 9
Persona 3 Reloaded Complete
Kirby Forgotten Land 2
Kingdom Hearts 4

Q2 2026:

Animal Crossing Next
Hades 2
Final Fantasy IX Remake

Obviously third-party games multiplatform.

 

[Meelow]

Has there been rumors of a Chrono Trigger Remake?

Also add Spyro to that list.

 

[frog]

Has there been rumors of a Chrono Trigger Remake?

Also add Spyro to that list.

updated secret Switch 2 games:

• Monster Hunter Wilds
• Visions of Mana
• Grand Theft Auto VI
• Smite 2
• Professor Layton and the New World of Steam
• Star Wars Outlaws
• Beyond Good and Evil 2
• Kingdom Hearts 4
• Alone in the Dark
• Gothic 1 Remake
• Remnant 2
• Titan Quest 2
• Banishers: Ghosts of New Eden
• Warhammer 40K: Space Marine II
• John Carpenter's Toxic Commando
• Dragon Quest XII: The Flames of Fate
• Persona 3 Reload
• Mass Effect Legendary Edition
• Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth
• Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
• World of Goo 2
• Daemon X Machina: Titanic Scion
• Rune Factory 6
• Metaphor: ReFantazio
• Dragon Quest III HD2D Remake
• Dragon's Dogma II
• Street Fighter 6
• Far Cry 7
• Assassin's Creed Project Red
• Call of Duty: Black Ops - Gulf War
• Baldur's Gate III
• Untitled Jet Set Radio project
• Untitled Crazy Taxi project
• Untitled Golden Axe project
• Streets of Rage Revolution
• Hi-Fi Rush
• Sea of Thieves
• Topspin 2K25
• Untitled Sakura Wars project
• Untitled Sega Evangelion project
• Untitled Panzer Dragoon project
• Battlefield Next
• Spyro the Dragon Next

 

[ExoticSpice]

If NSO does increase it will still be cheaper than Xbox and PS. We will see but they can't stay on the $20 or $50 forever. Server costs do increase.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Also, if they increase the price of NSO I'm unsubbing. And I know a lot of people who will do the same.

It's railing against the inevitable to insist prices never increase in a world where currency's value always decreases. Already today's $20 subscribers are paying the equivalent of what was $16.40 when the service started.

 

[EvilChameleon]

I could see the base tier increasing to $25, and then sometime down the line $30, but not straight up from $20 to $30.

 

[TomNookYankees]

move some of the (smaller) games on the gba and genesis libraries to the basic plan (but keep n64 exclusivity)

Doing that would require splitting the NSO apps which nintendo has so far only done one such split and that was to comply with age ratings systems in japan.

 

[Josh5890]

I'm still leaning more towards NIntendo outright abandoning the Tier 1 package for NSO. Only $20/year is not sustainable. Even $50 clearly isn't helping enough either. They will have to increase the price by 2025.

I think that a price increase is inevitable, but I do not see Nintendo dropping tier 1 altogether. That would hurt the next Mario Kart and Smash game's potential since $50 to play online becomes a much bigger ask.

Honestly though, Nintendo pulled in $4b in profit this FY. Their model seems to be very sustainable.

 

[Josh5890]

Has there been rumors of a Chrono Trigger Remake?

Also add Spyro to that list.

We have absolutely 0 information on anything Chrono Tigger. Not even Nvidia leaks have provided us with any hope.

I do not think that Square is going to ignore the demand for it. At some point they are bound to bring Chrono Trigger to modern consoles in some way. It is a no brainer. We just might have to wait longer than desired.

 

[Lucifer]

I'm still leaning more towards NIntendo outright abandoning the Tier 1 package for NSO. Only $20/year is not sustainable. Even $50 clearly isn't helping enough either. They will have to increase the price by 2025.

What is not sustainable? They're not doing anything except charging for online play.

 

[Sin & Punishment]

We have absolutely 0 information on anything Chrono Tigger. Not even Nvidia leaks have provided us with any hope.

I do not think that Square is going to ignore the demand for it. At some point they are bound to bring Chrono Trigger to modern consoles in some way. It is a no brainer. We just might have to wait longer than desired.

While I think an HD2D version of Chrono Trigger is bound to get made, I don't think it happens until they're able to get the band together (at least in some capacity).

So the earliest that could happen, imo, is when Yuji Horii is done with Dragon Quest XII.

 

[Procheno]

I'm still leaning more towards NIntendo outright abandoning the Tier 1 package for NSO. Only $20/year is not sustainable. Even $50 clearly isn't helping enough either. They will have to increase the price by 2025.

"Not sustainable" how?

 

[Darknut85]

"Not sustainable" how?

Good question.

 

[Leo]

While I think an HD2D version of Chrono Trigger is bound to get made, I don't think it happens until they're able to get the band together (at least in some capacity).

So the earliest that could happen, imo, is when Yuji Horii is done with Dragon Quest XII.

The last time Yuji Horii worked on a non Dragon Quest game was... Chrono Trigger in 1995. So I don't think that is going to happen.

 

[Aether]

I'm still leaning more towards NIntendo outright abandoning the Tier 1 package for NSO. Only $20/year is not sustainable. Even $50 clearly isn't helping enough either. They will have to increase the price by 2025.

As many asked...how? Their online infrastructure is a joke, and since most games don't have dedicated servers...

Then there is another example: netflix. Massive data and licensing deals... And <20$ is sustainable.

NSO is for sure a huge financial win for them, even at 20$.

 

[kasparov77]

Doing that would require splitting the NSO apps which nintendo has so far only done one such split and that was to comply with age ratings systems in japan.

You're over complicating it.
It would only imply letting access to the GBA and maybe Genesis apps for those who are under the basic plan.
They would still download all ROMs (as what happens when you download a NSO app), but the app would only display the ROMs your plan gives access to.

 

[Giancarlo]

Why does it make no sense? What’s your alternative and why is it definitively better?

The way I see it every option for March 2025 launch sees it announced and marketed months before the holidays.

ok Nintendo anounce Switch sucessor in june, but how Nintendo will prevent a huge decline in sales of the Nintendo Switch? now with everyone knowing and saving money for Nintendo next console.

 

[Darknut85]

ok Nintendo anounce Switch sucessor in june, but how Nintendo will prevent a huge decline in sales of the Nintendo Switch? now with everyone knowing and saving money for Nintendo next console.

With more remakes, of course!

 

[Starbreaker]

Perhaps this is the year we see that (rumored?) remake of Ocarina of time?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

ok Nintendo anounce Switch sucessor in june, but how Nintendo will prevent a huge decline in sales of the Nintendo Switch? now with everyone knowing and saving money for Nintendo next console.

Heading into holiday 8, that ship has sailed. At this point making sure existing customers at least have some games they're happy to continue buying makes more difference than growing the Switch 1 install base.

 

[BassForever]

Heading into holiday 8, that ship has sailed. At this point making sure existing customers at least have some games they're happy to continue buying makes more difference than growing the Switch 1 install base.

The following assumes Nintendo hits their 15 million for the ongoing fy goal, which seems probable since they're at 13.74 million through 3 quarters.

Even if Switch has a massive 50% drop next FY, that'll still put it at around 7.5 million units sold, which would have it knocking on the door of around 150 million units sold around the time the successor launches in March 2025. Odds are the drop will probably not be that sharp as the successor won't be on the market for most of the next fiscal year.

Ultimately hardware will drop next fy that's a given, regardless of when the successor is announced, I just don't think it'll have the catastrophic impact on sales some people here do.

 

[9-Volt]

Square operates super random. Wouldn't be surprised if we won't see Chrono remake for years. The games they pick (aside from FF7) for remakes have always been difficult to predict before their reveals. Trials of Mana? Star Ocean 2? Live A Live? Total random.

They're gonna pick another game no one had thought of for their next remake. No Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, FF6 but yes: Vagrant Story, Parasite Eve 1, Code Age Commanders (does anyone even remember this?) or even the forgotten Game with No Name on Nintendo DS...

 

[Sky Walker]

Heading into holiday 8, that ship has sailed.

Yep. During 2023 holidays in japan, Nintendo sold around 150k Switches in a span of two weeks "Christmas week and the week after". Meanwhile in 2022 holidays, they sold around the same number in a span of one week "the week before Christmas". And in 2021 holidays, they sold around 250k during the same period.

 

[Mer.Saloon]

As many asked...how? Their online infrastructure is a joke, and since most games don't have dedicated servers...

Then there is another example: netflix. Massive data and licensing deals... And <20$ is sustainable.

NSO is for sure a huge financial win for them, even at 20$.

Netflix has had other ways of making money and even then their business has been in the red for so many years before finally stabilizing. (And that was after their price increase.)

Not that I'm using that to counter argue your whole point, but there are other examples of sustainability than Netflix.

 

[Leo]

Perhaps this is the year we see that (rumored?) remake of Ocarina of time?

There are no rumors of an OoT remake aside from "I'm sure Nintendo will do it".

 

[Giancarlo]

There are no rumors of an OoT remake aside from "I'm sure Nintendo will do it".

didnt Eji Aonuma stated no coment, when Polygon asked is Nintendo planing a Ocarina of Time on Switch, Eji Aonuma replied no coment

 

[Leo]

didnt Eji Aonuma stated no coment, when Polygon asked is Nintendo planing a Ocarina of Time on Switch, Eji Aonuma replied no coment

I don't know, but if he did, that's hardly evidence of anything.

 

[VintoWin]

didnt Eji Aonuma stated no coment, when Polygon asked is Nintendo planing a Ocarina of Time on Switch, Eji Aonuma replied no coment

wasn't it "No comment! laugh" lol

 

[BassForever]

Square operates super random. Wouldn't be surprised if we won't see Chrono remake for years. The games they pick (aside from FF7) for remakes have always been difficult to predict before their reveals. Trials of Mana? Star Ocean 2? Live A Live? Total random.

They're gonna pick another game no one had thought of for their next remake. No Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, FF6 but yes: Vagrant Story, Parasite Eve 1, Code Age Commanders (does anyone even remember this?) or even the forgotten Game with No Name on Nintendo DS...

I dunno if I'd call them totally random

SE has spent the last decade+ remaking the Mana games. First the IOS remake of Adventure, then the ps4 remake of Secret, and then the Trials of Mana remake which was next in line. They then opted to make a new mana game and simply remaster Legend cause they know that game isn't as good and isn't worth the time/effort to fully remake

Star Ocean 1-2 got remakes back on the psp, then SO1 got a remaster of that remake a few years ago. Many of us were wondering why they hadn't done a remaster of SO2, but since SO2 is the most popular game in the series, it seems they opted to bump up that remaster into a full on second remake.

LAL seems the most random, but considering how similar it is to the Octopath games Team Asano was working on, I can see how the topic of remaking LAL would come up when discussing what to do following the success of OT1.

 

[Starbreaker]

There are no rumors of an OoT remake aside from "I'm sure Nintendo will do it".

I figured as much lol

 

[VintoWin]

I figured as much lol

Well, it was "No comment! laugh" and Aonuma was talking about how he feels like nobody knows who Rauru is these days. The idea is that he wants people to revisit the origins of the character Rauru (which would be Ocarina of Time). Newer players. This is the most evidence we got. Along with Dr. Serkan ToTo's Z R tweet but we believe that ended up being the movie reveal.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

It’s also just

OoT got just nothing for its 25th anniversary, not even the Lego set released. Nintendo didn’t say anything, it was weird.

Wondering if they pushed back a remaster of the game to 2024 to give TotK space.

 

[Giancarlo]

wasn't it "No comment! laugh" lol

exactly

 

[Meelow]

I much rather have a Ocarina of Time Remake on Switch 2 then one on Switch.

So hopefully Nintendo waits.

 

[Ab]

didnt Eji Aonuma stated no coment, when Polygon asked is Nintendo planing a Ocarina of Time on Switch, Eji Aonuma replied no coment

Yeah maybe? It means nothing though. No information and no comment.

 

[Goblin_knight]

Its cause were getting a remake of ocarina of time AND majoras mask on the switch 2 in 1440p 60fps with various raytraced effects. With extra content in majoras mask to make it a proper epilogue to Ocarina of time links journey.

 

[SpaceGodzilla]

the only reason I could think Nintendo would do a 2nd remake of OoT would be because they're not expecting the next 3D Zelda till 2029 or 2030 (which honestly isn't that far fetched)

 

[Danny]

No one really knows how Nintendo intend to fill out the coming years Zelda slate until the release of the next big 3D Zelda game. It could be filled with remakes, remasters, brand new 2D Zelda games or spinoffs like Hyrule Warriors.

 

[Hermii]

No one really knows how Nintendo intend to fill out the coming years Zelda slate until the release of the next big 3D Zelda game. It could be filled with remakes, remasters, brand new 2D Zelda games or spinoffs like Hyrule Warriors.

Or collabs like cadence of Hyrule.

 

[ILikeFeet]

collabs are the best way to do things. especially if the results are very unlike traditional Zelda. I still want a turn-based Zelda RPG, whether JRPG or D20