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Some people started asking for a spoiler thread, so ... Good luck to those people, I'm not coming back here until I'm done with the game.
Soo at the end... did they become a super earth?.
Or just was the xenoblade 1 earth....?.
My impression is because Jupiter is shown and the two tiny earths separate and then there is a big one.
Andddd if that's a ship, they pull a Metroid prime on us hahahah
Could be a comet or some other thing but it sounded like a ship to me.
Edit: the earth size could it be just perspective and i got confused.
Edit 2: on the ship or comet maybe it's just Alvis.
Man I'm just so full of hype and lore/ information, implications and overall a lot of questions haha what a wild ride.
Given the Xenosaga references in the past segment (alongside the Xenoblade X ones), it is probably supposed to be this exact moment from another angle.
Xenoblade's Earth = Xenosaga's Earth / Lost Jerusalem. That's almost certainly what Takahashi is going for; and given Bandai Namco are in the Special Thanks, I think they've gotten approval for it all.
No way dude that would be hype.
But the tower it's missing but there is other two towers so maybe the angle?.
But there is name dropping so that would explain the Bandai Namco.
Sorry about that, it's a term i use commonly i apologize.Not a dude, but yeah, I think it's a strong posibility that they're at least a reference to that shot, if it isn't just intended to be the exact same moment playing out. Both Xenosaga and Xenoblade X don't perfectly fit together with numbered Xenoblade as-is regardless, so with the inconsistencies, i'm expecting another round of retconning in the future if they're really going through with connecting them.
I don't think they said that at all, are you talking about the space ships leaving Earth with millions of people? That would be a stretch, I think, and may be more of an Easter egg than an explicit canonical connection. I don't think it really fits logically if you start to think about it.Finished the main story and... did they just casually say in one scene that Xenoblade X AND Xenosaga AND Xenogears are all connected to main Xenoblade story? I didn't hallucinate that, right? What in the actual fuck was that. Unreal
Given the Xenosaga references in the past segment (alongside the Xenoblade X ones), it is probably supposed to be this exact moment from another angle.
Xenoblade's Earth = Xenosaga's Earth / Lost Jerusalem. That's almost certainly what Takahashi is going for; and given Bandai Namco are in the Special Thanks, I think they've gotten approval for it all.
But there is name dropping so that would explain the Bandai Namco.
I don't think they said that at all, are you talking about the space ships leaving Earth with millions of people? That would be a stretch, I think, and may be more of an Easter egg than an explicit canonical connection. I don't think it really fits logically if you start to think about it.
What name dropping happened? Did they say Lost Jerusalem somewhere?
Oh hell yeah, I haven't played X or beaten Saga so I didn't catch those.Xenogears is a stretch but they explicitly reference the other two all throughout that radio segment.
- Coalition government (X)
- Earthlife Colonization Project (X)
- Project Exodus (X)
- Vector Industries (Saga; logo on the radio)
- Dmitri Yuriev (Saga)
Not a stretch at all. The Philadelphia class motherships that the radio talks about is what the Eldridge from Xenogears is:Xenogears is a stretch but they explicitly reference the other two all throughout that radio segment.
- Coalition government (X)
- Earthlife Colonization Project (X)
- Project Exodus (X)
- Vector Industries (Saga; logo on the radio)
- Dmitri Yuriev (Saga)
The White Whale's month of departure is also mentioned, July. So it's exactly the same thing, it only needed the year to perfectly align with X's intro details, with the exception of the fact that, you know, in X's intro cutscene the Earth got destroyed, whereas Xenoblade's Earth got "cleaned" by Klaus.Xenogears is a stretch but they explicitly reference the other two all throughout that radio segment.
- Coalition government (X)
- Earthlife Colonization Project (X)
- Project Exodus (X)
- Vector Industries (Saga; logo on the radio)
- Dmitri Yuriev (Saga)
Dmitri Yuriev, but could be a easter egg you know multiverse and all that.What name dropping happened? Did they say Lost Jerusalem somewhere?
Not a stretch at all. The Philadelphia class motherships that the radio talks about is what the Eldridge from Xenogears is:
They crammed literally every other Xeno story in that radio segment.
I don't think they're directly tying in Xenosaga proper, just launching into something loosely inspired by the planned third arc (the second has been sufficiently retreaded by Xenoblade 2, tbh). The specific character that gets namedropped is not one they would have used if they were going for consistency.Not a dude, but yeah, I think it's a strong posibility that they're at least a reference to that shot, if it isn't just intended to be the exact same moment playing out. Both Xenosaga and Xenoblade X don't perfectly fit together with numbered Xenoblade as-is regardless, so with the inconsistencies, i'm expecting another round of retconning in the future if they're really going through with connecting them.
I mean all of it is part of the same of the same radio broadcast, and the radio broadcast literally just exists to machinegun trivia that is specific to the other xenogames at the audience. Either all of it is just meaningless easter egg or all of it is Takahashi winking at the camera. Don't see why certain parts should be selectively accepted and others discarded.What I meant is that this could reasonably just be an easter egg referencing the term, whereas the other two are more textual references. I would've argued the same for the Yuriev namedrop if it weren't for the logo on the radio; and the entire radio broadcast itself is just describing X lore, down to the exact month of July (as pointed out after my prior post too). There's also that Bandai Namco recieves a Special Thanks credit while Square Enix doesn't; so even if they were trying to imply a connection it doesn't seem like anything has been officially sorted. Would be nice if I were wrong on that assumption though.
Though, I didn't notice before that retroactively making the Ark Ships the first Philadelphia-class colony ship would fit in with that description of the Eldridge being the second (unless i'm forgetting something else from Gears); so perhaps they are at least keeping it in mind still regardless.
Go on…Whoah. Have y'all seen who the new base game challenge mode unlocks :0
It's Rex and Shulk as heroesGo on…
I thought it was pretty clearly showing what we presumed happened at the end of 3.The one thing I'm not super sure about is what happened to the two worlds at the end. Did they properly merge this time, or did one just disappear back into antimatter space or something like that? I thought I understood what happened in the main game ending, but this is making me question it again.
Sorry, I thought you meant in addition to themIt's Rex and Shulk as heroes
The scale of Project Exodus in FR is also much smaller and a slower rollout. In X ships launched from every major city on the planet simultaneously and most got destroyed. In FR there have been 8 successful launches with only 5 more planned and only 1 set to launch in July. And no aliens. Pretty much completely different.The White Whale's month of departure is also mentioned, July. So it's exactly the same thing, it only needed the year to perfectly align with X's intro details, with the exception of the fact that, you know, in X's intro cutscene the Earth got destroyed, whereas Xenoblade's Earth got "cleaned" by Klaus.
They almost threw everything on your face, man. It's been years since Xenosaga, though, so I'm excepting this to amount to nothing. It's better for my sanity.
We're probably getting fairly close to Xenoblade X getting properly tied in, but I don't think the broadcast was directly doing that. Like I said above, X presented itself as a fully separate universe, and I think they're sticking to that.After looking into it extensively, I'm fully convinced that the ending broadcast was intended to canonically tie in Xenoblade X to the main trilogy, while making nods to Xenogears and Xenosaga with easter egg references.
What's confusing is that we see the two worlds separate and the base game ending sort of implied that separation stuck and would have to be overcome. FR seems like it might be sort of going back on that and suggesting they did just recombine anyway and they're only separated by physical space now, but it's not 100% clear.I thought it was pretty clearly showing what we presumed happened at the end of 3.
Here's a recap of the events in chronological order:
1. Origin is created as a life ark to continue life beyond the collision of the two worlds.
2. The worlds start colliding, and this is where Z stops time to prevent the total annihilation of both worlds.
3. The worlds continue colliding (seen at the end of the base game as well as Future Redeemed)
- the events of Future Redeemed occur, followed by the events of Xenoblade 3
- Z is defeated and the endless now is stopped, continuing time where it left off
4. The new world is successfully rebooted by Origin, and everything Z feared did not come to pass
Now there is one world, based on the original Earth, successfully rebooted by Origin, and containing all the lives of both universes (although they of course do not remember the events of Aionios, and I believe none of them suspect anything strange happened at all)
XC2’s World is the original Earth, just with the titans having joined with the continents, and presumably after XC1’s ending, the Bionis was transported into some kind of similar world. Since they merge together again, it’s reasonable to assume it’s some kind of mix on top of base Earth, or somethingAbout the blue comet, you'll notice that it's landing on an Earth just like ours, since it faintly shows the African and Arabian landmasses.
Maybe (maaaaaaaaaybepressxtodoubt) it's a mistake? This is supposed to be the re-merged world (I think?) that is born after 3 after all, so it's kind of strange it would casually revert back to the current continental drift. In fact, one of the two planets that separate after Origin's reboot already shows the Indian subcontinent.
IDK. Just inhaling lots of X hopium here.
The worlds do separate again, but even in XC3 Nia and Melia imply that they’ll eventually join again. FR shows that exact process: Aionios (semi-joined frozen worlds) > separate worlds > one worldWe're probably getting fairly close to Xenoblade X getting properly tied in, but I don't think the broadcast was directly doing that. Like I said above, X presented itself as a fully separate universe, and I think they're sticking to that.
What's confusing is that we see the two worlds separate and the base game ending sort of implied that separation stuck and would have to be overcome. FR seems like it might be sort of going back on that and suggesting they did just recombine anyway and they're only separated by physical space now, but it's not 100% clear.
All of that is completely true, but it's not like it couldn't be solved with some retconning (including the biggest eye roll-inducing discrepancy). For example, it's not like you couldn't make the case that:The scale of Project Exodus in FR is also much smaller and a slower rollout. In X ships launched from every major city on the planet simultaneously and most got destroyed. In FR there have been 8 successful launches with only 5 more planned and only 1 set to launch in July. And no aliens. Pretty much completely different.
I think they merged. We are first shown Jupiter to indicate that yes, this is indeed the Solar System. Then in an empty region of space the two worlds begin to materialize as separate, drifting entitites before finally merging into one.The one thing I'm not super sure about is what happened to the two worlds at the end. Did they properly merge this time, or did one just disappear back into antimatter space or something like that? I thought I understood what happened in the main game ending, but this is making me question it again.
I think of it like this: Origin was originally designed to simply allow the two worlds to survive. But then it unexpectedly became the stage for what was essentially the collective of humanity having a heated debate with itself about whether they really want to return or just be kept in stasis, suggesting that ultimately it's the will of humanity itself that dictates what Origin will do. After the events of 3, Origin starts performing its original intended function again, but it goes beyond that. Through the accumulated experiences and emotions of humanity during the whole event, humanity doesn't merely want to survive: they want to be together. Obviously we see this in the party, but also in the many sidequests and events throughout 3, tons of examples of people from both worlds who want to be together as a result of everything that has happened. So Origin goes beyond simply ensuring the survival of the two worlds and it combines them together, because that's ultimately what humanity decides it wants.What's confusing is that we see the two worlds separate and the base game ending sort of implied that separation stuck and would have to be overcome. FR seems like it might be sort of going back on that and suggesting they did just recombine anyway and they're only separated by physical space now, but it's not 100% clear.
I don’t know if it’s just because of Origin that they ultimately combine, since they say the worlds themselves longed to become one again. I think it might be both, or Origin is what allows it to happen more smoothly, but not the catalystI think they merged. We are first shown Jupiter to indicate that yes, this is indeed the Solar System. Then in an empty region of space the two worlds begin to materialize as separate, drifting entitites before finally merging into one.
I think of it like this: Origin was originally designed to simply allow the two worlds to survive. But then it unexpectedly became the stage for what was essentially the collective of humanity having a heated debate with itself about whether they really want to return or just be kept in stasis, suggesting that ultimately it's the will of humanity itself that dictates what Origin will do. After the events of 3, Origin starts performing its original intended function again, but it goes beyond that. Through the accumulated experiences and emotions of humanity during the whole event, humanity doesn't merely want to survive: they want to be together. Obviously we see this in the party, but also in the many sidequests and events throughout 3, tons of examples of people from both worlds who want to be together as a result of everything that has happened. So Origin goes beyond simply ensuring the survival of the two worlds and it combines them together, because that's ultimately what humanity decides it wants.
Xenoblade (and Xeno- more broadly) has an explicitly established multiverse. X can tie directly into the story without any retcons needed, they just need to establish where Mira and/or the Samaarians came from (probably the former, I think the latter may be left strategically ambiguous).All of that is completely true, but it's not like it couldn't be solved with some retconning (including the biggest eye roll-inducing discrepancy). For example, it's not like you couldn't make the case that:
- The explanations of X's characters about PE come from their point of view, soldiers who were forced to become so after the alien intervention, not to mention that, when the game properly starts, it's been two years since the White Whale landed on Mira. Aside from those accounts, we don't get to really hear more details about X's PE, let alone actual documents for us to analyze. Most of the guys who we speak to about it also were involved with the project.
- The broadcast in FR is definitely being brought by a commercial station unaffiliated to this "Coalition government", so who's to say authorities weren't covering things up at the highest level? Not revealing to the general population that Earth is about to become a large battlefield for two superlarge alien civilizations seems like a sensible action to allow for a smooth and organized evacuation. These "small rollouts" could all have been fake or actually larger or inexistent. Furthermore, Project Exodus' largest and deepest secret, Elma's identity, was only known to very few people until the Lifehold battle. So, in other words, there's some credence to believe that the Project as a whole could've been entailed in a lot of mysteries from the beginning.
- The last one is that the Earth being destroyed in X's intro is actually the result of Klaus' experiments, simple as that. Maybe the alien intervention had already ended by then, leaving behind a barren Earth, which Klaus alludes to an one point, or maybe it was still happening. But Earth is huge, so you could maybe say that the Bean Stalks were afar from the battle and actually being disputed by humans. So Klaus does his magic and "the destruction" was actually the Conduit's job.
It's way too many assumptions, but that's my two cents to, forcefully, make it fit, and also why I'm leaning towards simply believing that they will reuse all those references (both X and Xenosaga's) into a future brand new game not related to Takahashi's previous works, but seriously inspired by them. Might as well call it Xenoblade Saga.
Yeah, I could buy that. It works thematically, at least.I think of it like this: Origin was originally designed to simply allow the two worlds to survive. But then it unexpectedly became the stage for what was essentially the collective of humanity having a heated debate with itself about whether they really want to return or just be kept in stasis, suggesting that ultimately it's the will of humanity itself that dictates what Origin will do. After the events of 3, Origin starts performing its original intended function again, but it goes beyond that. Through the accumulated experiences and emotions of humanity during the whole event, humanity doesn't merely want to survive: they want to be together. Obviously we see this in the party, but also in the many sidequests and events throughout 3, tons of examples of people from both worlds who want to be together as a result of everything that has happened. So Origin goes beyond simply ensuring the survival of the two worlds and it combines them together, because that's ultimately what humanity decides it wants.
I'd personally prefer the angle of Klaus' world being the starting point of all the madness, frankly.Xenoblade (and Xeno- more broadly) has an explicitly established multiverse. X can tie directly into the story without any retcons needed, they just need to establish where Mira and/or the Samaarians came from (probably the former, I think the latter may be left strategically ambiguous).
Mira is certainly subject to Klaus' influence, with all the subtle (and not so subtle) references, butI'd personally prefer the angle of Klaus' world being the starting point of all the madness, frankly.