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note: the best selling Mario RPG is Bowsers Inside Story With Around 4 Million Unites sold
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The thing is that to a lot of people this is essentially be a new title.I think it's important to remember that this is a remake. Remakes generally don't sell as well as new titles, regardless of their prestige or the hardware that they're on. RPG will sell well, could definitely be the best selling one, but people are greatly overestimating its potential I think. If it passes 5M, I'd be very surprised.
I feel like I see this argument all the time, and it never really comes to fruition. For whatever reason, remakes and remasters just don’t sell as well for the most part. Happens across pretty much all franchises. No matter how “new” it is to people.The thing is that to a lot of people this is essentially be a new title.
Like yes it’s a remake of a cult classic, so the core audience knows it’s a remake. But this is releasing around holiday time in a year where Mario had a $1b grossing movie. Parents will pick this up for their kids and it’s gonna look modern graphically, no “remake” in the title - just a clean and simple “Super Mario RPG.”
I’m not suggesting Nintendo is trying to pull one over on people - just that due to the nature of the Mario IP and how mainstream the appeal is, as well as the changes in presentation for the remake itself - this is gonna simply be “the next Mario game on Switch” for a vast amount of buyers. I think that Nintendo is positioning it as a tentpole release
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It really depends on what you mean by "don't sell as well" to be honest. We can make the reasonable assumption that remasters don't sell as much as original Switch releases would or do by comparison. However, we've actually seen a decent amount of remasters sell near the average or even the ceiling of pre-Switch releases. 3D World for example is at almost 11 million by December 2022, meaning it could end up being the second best selling 3D Mario by the time the Switch is over. Tropical Freeze is at 4.12 million as of December 2021, it could end up the third highest selling sku in the series or even tied for 2nd. Then of course you have stuff like Pokemon Let's Go, or a massive outlier like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.I feel like I see this argument all the time, and it never really comes to fruition. For whatever reason, remakes and remasters just don’t sell as well for the most part. Happens across pretty much all franchises. No matter how “new” it is to people.
Sure, but what is the "new standard" for Mario RPGs? The only comparison point we have is the Origami King, which wasn't able even be the best selling game in its own franchise despite being released during arguably the Switch's most prolific year in terms of popularity. And yeah, the reception probably pushed those numbers down a bit, but the point stands that the only Mario RPG(ish) game on the Switch so far wasn't really close at all to taking the record.It really depends on what you mean by "don't sell as well" to be honest. We can make the reasonable assumption that remasters don't sell as much as original Switch releases would or do by comparison. However, we've actually seen a decent amount of remasters sell near the average or even the ceiling of pre-Switch releases. 3D World for example is at almost 11 million by December 2022, meaning it could end up being the second best selling 3D Mario by the time the Switch is over. Tropical Freeze is at 4.12 million as of December 2021, it could end up the third highest selling sku in the series or even tied for 2nd. Then of course you have stuff like Pokemon Let's Go, or a massive outlier like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
Point is remasters and re-releases only don't sell like new games compared to the new standard, not the old one. And so it's totally possibly SMRPG will become the best selling Mario RPG.
Sure, but what is the "new standard" for Mario RPGs? The only comparison point we have is the Origami King, which wasn't able even be the best selling game in its own franchise despite being released during arguably the Switch's most prolific year in terms of popularity. And yeah, the reception probably pushed those numbers down a bit, but the point stands that the only Mario RPG(ish) game on the Switch so far wasn't really close at all to taking the record.
I'm not saying that Mario RPG has no chance of hitting those numbers at all, it could definitely take the record. Could even be another outlier like Let's Go or MK8D. But I also see a very realistic possibility where it becomes the next Famiboards sales disappointment relative to expectations.
Origami King could end up legging it out to being the #1 Paper Mario. Either way even in my own example we have a franchise that doesn't have a new standard - DKC. DKC's highest single SKU is the first game all the way back on SNES, but Tropical Freeze is still selling largely like a new game going off the average sales of DKC titles of the past. That's sort of my point, there is no "new standard" for something like Mario RPGs, and in that sense while Mario RPG might not sell like a new acclaimed Mario RPG could on the Switch, I'm not sure that necessarily leaves it out of outselling every other Mario RPG, either.Sure, but what is the "new standard" for Mario RPGs? The only comparison point we have is the Origami King, which wasn't able even be the best selling game in its own franchise despite being released during arguably the Switch's most prolific year in terms of popularity. And yeah, the reception probably pushed those numbers down a bit, but the point stands that the only Mario RPG(ish) game on the Switch so far wasn't really close at all to taking the record.
I'm not saying that Mario RPG has no chance of hitting those numbers at all, it could definitely take the record. Could even be another outlier like Let's Go or MK8D. But I also see a very realistic possibility where it becomes the next Famiboards sales disappointment relative to expectations.
I must once again point out that Super Paper Mario, as good of a game as it is, is an obvious sales outlier due to it being the first game on the Wii to star Mario and being marketed as a platformer.Sure, but what is the "new standard" for Mario RPGs? The only comparison point we have is the Origami King, which wasn't able even be the best selling game in its own franchise despite being released during arguably the Switch's most prolific year in terms of popularity. And yeah, the reception probably pushed those numbers down a bit, but the point stands that the only Mario RPG(ish) game on the Switch so far wasn't really close at all to taking the record.
I'm not saying that Mario RPG has no chance of hitting those numbers at all, it could definitely take the record. Could even be another outlier like Let's Go or MK8D. But I also see a very realistic possibility where it becomes the next Famiboards sales disappointment relative to expectations.
I agree with your ranking, but I still like SMRPG.I voted no, but it's basically entirely out of pure spite, I didn't like mario RPG on the Wii virtual console when it came to Europe, and no amount if visual overhaul is going to convince me otherwise, given both the paper mario series sans sticker Star and mario and Luigi series are both significantly better than it, even in their middling titles.
I honestly wonder how much that other remake will sell compared with SMRPG. It’ll be the battle of remade RPG classics. Maybe TTYD will sell a tad better because of name recognition?It will be until Thousand Year Door arrives
Mario and luigi bowser inside has outsold super paper mario and that’s the best selling mario rpg he’s referencing on this thread. So I guess that answers your questionDepends on if you count Super Paper Mario.
Cus it won't outsell SPM
I think the length might actually help. The length is often a reason people are too scared to get into RPG’s, and a game thats not long wouldn’t have that problem.Depends on if you count Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle.
Had a 6 year head start and goes on sale for dirt cheap, but it's also a different kind of RPG, being an SRPG. I don't think SMRPG will sell 10 million that fast, but I do think it will sell well, what with the movie and such. Also lack of Rabbids will PROBABLY help. Length will probably be more of a talking point as it gets closer to release though.