Same reason Jontron still has a huge following - he's an internet funnyman.man how are so many people followers of this person? The more I read about him the less I get it lol
Also yeah dude uses homophobic slurs. The Dunkey who said that five years ago acts exactly like the same guy today so forgive me if I have my doubts he's grown from them.
Maybe try Freedom games?Since he's apparently got a fairly colorful and toxic past, I guess I won't give this a try.
Are there any other more reputable publishers out there that more or less take requests from complete randos like myself?
Never heard of them, thank you. I'll check them out.Maybe try Freedom games?
I know Humble has published some games by very small teams, like Ikenfell (everything but the music is all Chevy Ray).Since he's apparently got a fairly colorful and toxic past, I guess I won't give this a try.
Are there any other more reputable publishers out there that more or less take requests from complete randos like myself?
I'm not sure "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is a good defense for someone that has used slurs in streams on numerous occasions.I'm gonna be the one against the grain here, while Dunkey has said and done some stuff in the past that wasn't exactly ideal, his level of toxicity is a sliver in contrast to what has and does exist in this space. His videos are usually silly or even very positive in a world filled with 'angry' gamers and toxic hateful mannerisms, people being able to cite moments where he did some bad things is fair, but I'd bet significant money almost no one here has a perfectly clean reputation, they just don't have their entire history stored on the internet. It's clear he's grown and matured more and will likely to continue to do so, likely because he's married to someone who wouldn't tolerate that behavior and is helping to course correct him on said things. Not apologizing for things doesn't mean he does (or doesn't) regret things either, and said apologies always ring extremely hollow either way.
If this one is the one people want to dogpile, i'd be curious what other popular game streamer/content creator they like and how clean their history is.
As for the rest of this, I don't really see much purpose in what he's trying to do here, but maybe there is more on the backend that he knows that he isn't illustrating here, but I presume it won't go far and it'll just become a forgotten phase. If nothing else it explains why a lot of his recent content has been lacking.
I'm gonna be the one against the grain here, while Dunkey has said and done some stuff in the past that wasn't exactly ideal, his level of toxicity is a sliver in contrast to what has and does exist in this space. His videos are usually silly or even very positive in a world filled with 'angry' gamers and toxic hateful mannerisms, people being able to cite moments where he did some bad things is fair, but I'd bet significant money almost no one here has a perfectly clean reputation, they just don't have their entire history stored on the internet. It's clear he's grown and matured more and will likely to continue to do so, likely because he's married to someone who wouldn't tolerate that behavior and is helping to course correct him on said things. Not apologizing for things doesn't mean he does (or doesn't) regret things either, and said apologies always ring extremely hollow either way.
If this one is the one people want to dogpile, i'd be curious what other popular game streamer/content creator they like and how clean their history is.
As for the rest of this, I don't really see much purpose in what he's trying to do here, but maybe there is more on the backend that he knows that he isn't illustrating here, but I presume it won't go far and it'll just become a forgotten phase. If nothing else it explains why a lot of his recent content has been lacking.
We're not talking about minor affronts here, we're talking about over a decade worth of repeated, documented behavior exhibiting intense bigotry and toxicity and a flippant disregard for the severity of said language. That's pretty serious. I don't think someone like that is beyond redemption or improvement in that regard, but I think it's also perfectly acceptable for people to not be satisfied with radio silence and a simple reduction in that kind of behavior from him.
And there's plenty of other positive voices in youtube games criticism, people like the "Stop Skeletons From Fighting" crew, or TheGamingBrit, or Thorhighheels, or Hyperbithero have been excitedly covering games and the things that excite them about games for years - SSFF for over 15 years at this point. And none of these people, to my knowledge, need excuses made for them in the face of years of extremely deplorable behavior that they had every opportunity to stop doing and chose not to. Dunkey is far from unique in his silliness or his supposed positivity, though, I'd argue that the smug aura that comes from videos like this Bigmode announcement don't pass the sniff test on what I would call 'positivity', personally.
The amount of people on this forum who have used homophobic, sexist or racial slurs in the past probably matches anything he has ever said or worse, the point being is that in his recent affairs, he doesn't seem to really lean on that language. Are you saying that those who used to, should all be permanently punished? Growth is a thing, and regardless of what yall think, it's happened to you at a point as well. Gamer culture in general is so seclusive that the chances of running into people who have not been socially corrected so to speak, is very high. It doesn't mean I empathize with them in the moment, but if they do move beyond it I'll allow the transgressions to be forgiven, better to have new allies than to permanently complain about prior things.
Also, his 'smug aura' has merit, he does understand very much how games play and function, much more in contrast than other entertainers. He would be able to describe why Fortnite is not mechanically that sound in contrast to something like say, RE4, which might not seem like much, but it matters when dealing with someone in such a mainstream space, it highlights gameplay above all which is not that common.
Aside that, I'd be offended if my massive channel about games was compared to Stop Skeletons, they basically can't go a year without doing a sad face need more money video because all of their content is based on things like, the n64 memory pack. I enjoy that stuff as a very big gaming enthusiast and collector but it isn't even in the same lane.
I'm not absolving things that he's done, and I have no idea if he's grown, but as someone who views his content semi regularly, I've definitely noticed really nothing off lately, I'd be curious to see if there are examples in the last couple years?
kind of don’t know what to make of this sentence, tbhEspecially when said mutuals are pretending to be open minded christians or LGBTQs.
Especially when said mutuals are pretending to be open minded christians or LGBTQs.
I don't think most people are beyond redeeming past negative behavior, including Dunkey. Absolutely anyone who is making a genuine effort to improve should be given the opportunity to - and I'm not even saying that he hasn't made any kind of effort. What I'm saying is that this is different when you are a public figure; the difference isn't only that he has his 'entire history of bigotry stored on the internet', it's that he's a highly public figure whose public history is incredibly easy to access, and who has chosen to not make any kind of statement on that years worth of negative behavior or the degrees in which it has likely contributed to normalizing some of that bigotry in the past, given the size and reach he's had for a very long time.
And I think this is relevant when he's asking other creators to stake their claim on him and associate their work with his brand and, more importantly, his reputation. As a dev myself, if I ever went to go talk to a publisher about working with them, the last thing I would want to happen is to get caught up in a scandal related to something I had nothing to do with personally, or for my work to even have an association with something I would later find out to be along these uncomfortable lines. Regardless of how much any of us want to admit it, Dunkey isn't in a 'normal' position when it comes to the affect his behavior, both past and present, has on the world around him because of his platform. If he is making an effort to be better and do right by other people and use that platform for better things, then good on him. That makes me extremely happy to hear. But I also think it's entirely within people's right to be skeptical of how much of an effort he has made, given his silence, and that it's valid to be worried about someone like Dunkey wanting to bring others into this kind of working relationship without ever having been more forthright about his efforts to, hopefully, distance himself from that kind of past behavior.
this isn't even correct thoughHe would be able to describe why Fortnite is not mechanically that sound in contrast to something like say, RE4
this isn't even correct though
y i k e sI'd disagree entirely, Fortnite is very much a 'trashy' game mechanically, or it used to be, I haven't played it in a few years due to that very element. This isn't to say the game can't be fun or enjoyable, but how it feels to fire weapons and actually engage in combat is ghetto
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kind of don’t know what to make of this sentence, tbh
Sorry guys, I’m french and quite tired, my message wasn’t clear at all.Love to see people defend some guy who'd call me a slur without a second thought with "whom amongst us hasn't used slurs"
Also the answer to "uhh, what YouTubers do you watch" is pretty simple for me; none. YouTubers; not even once
I'm sorry but like, are you saying you have mutuals who are "pretending" to be queer? How would you even know????
If Dunkey plans on becoming a person who tries to help publish games, I REALLY don't expect him to ever go down the avenue of using such language again.
Now many social media and entertainers consider themselves a 'brand' and as such try to conduct themselves in a way that keeps them out of hot water, but I'd call this a definite evolution of recent years and not that typical back in the day. If Dunkey plans on becoming a person who tries to help publish games, I REALLY don't expect him to ever go down the avenue of using such language again.
3D Realms openly and proudly keeping a secret homophobic slur in Ion Fury because they believe in freedom of speech and are against « CANCEL CULTURE & CENSORSHIP », and their team saying transphobic stuff on their Discord kinda disagree with you.
But go on, keep believing.
your comfort with using the word “ghetto” to describe… * checks notes * …an electronic plaything you dislike is not universally shared amongst all victims of povertyIf you're angry at the use of the word ghetto, don't even start, I was raised in 4 of them and don't appreciate your attempt at correcting how I speak. I didn't even get to eat routinely for the first decade of my existence, people who lived it don't care, which I'm sure is applicable to you if you're actually offended by that word.
your comfort with using the word “ghetto” to describe… * checks notes * …an electronic plaything you dislike is not universally shared amongst people who have experienced poverty
Wait was he involved in this game or the promotion of it or something? I've avoided buying this based on how the team carried themselves but I didn't know Dunkey had anything to do with it.3D Realms openly and proudly keeping a secret homophobic slur in Ion Fury because they believe in freedom of speech and are against « CANCEL CULTURE & CENSORSHIP », and their team saying transphobic stuff on their Discord kinda disagree with you.
But go on, keep believing.
Mate, the people you have been quoting have explicitly told you that they were offended by his language and do not consider that he has 'paid his dues' in order to let him off the hook. It's not your place to tell them that they should leave that behind.Well I'm open minded, what is the most offensive thing he has done in say, the last 3 years? I'm asking in earnest because mostly, I only started watching his stuff in a post BOTW world and from there I didn't really see any of this in his normal YT videos, but did note that it had occurred a couple times, the one I recall most being when his now wife jumped his ass for it.
I guess my point is I'm not really sure what people want at this point, do they want him to be buried alive for his transgressions, do they want him to go publicly apologize just so a bunch of people can say he doesn't mean it, or something else? Is there a constructive desire, or is it just that people want to hate him regardless?
That's fine too I suppose, just seems to me like if a person does manage to overcome bad traits, I think that's better than buckling in forever like so many others do. Maybe my bar is so low just because I expect so little from almost any gamers at this point, it's hard to say.
Wait was he involved in this game or the promotion of it or something? I've avoided buying this based on how the team carried themselves but I didn't know Dunkey had anything to do with it.
Mate, the people you have been quoting have explicitly told you that they were offended by his language and do not consider that he has 'paid his dues' in order to let him off the hook. It's not your place to tell them that they should leave that behind.
I grew up nextdoor to an impound car lot, watched my parents dumpster dive, eat squirell, and watched junkies shoot up regularly so I think I'm qulified to say fuck this guy for using "ghetto" to describe games.I've literally never once met a person who came from an American impoverished situation be offended by that word or using it to describe something that is undesirable, I'd be curious to know where you stand in terms of your upbringing if you're going to decide to be the one who signals for them though, because you'd be the first person I've met who grew up around gang violence and poverty who then also got upset about using that word, and I'm serious when I say that, I'd be amazed. You very much come off as someone who is just trying to be the offense sacrifice for everyone, even the people who actually don't care, I certainly have no issues with the word and I lived through it a lot worse than likely most of the people here in that sense. I appreciate trying to help course correct humanity at points, but this is reaching pretty low I'd say considering.
The statute of limitations on using slurs is 3 years, a single year earlier and it no longer counts
The first step being sorry is apologizing, but also there's no point to apologizing because some people will say he's lying. This means he should never say sorry for what he said
I grew up nextdoor to an impound car lot, watched my parents dumpster dive, eat squirell, and watched junkies shoot up regularly so I think I'm qulified to say fuck this guy for using "ghetto" to describe games.
The targets of his slurs do not owe him forgiveness.That's fair, but should it be expected that everyone prescribes to the idea that once done, it can never be undone no matter what? It's fine to write something off forever, but when it comes to discussion on a forum, the continual discussion of it implies that you don't think other people who partake either, which is a very common thing as well. The point here is that is the verdict that everyone should have to hate him even if he has cleaned up, or else? Or is it just a means to vent.. Every single time a topic of his is made? Or what is the desired outcome, is it to effectively ban the ability for anything he partakes in to be spoken of?
I'm asking genuinely by the way, I know when something makes me angry I choose to not partake, but I also actually don't get involved in the subject any further usually, if I keep doing so it would likely mean I have intent beyond just 'I hate that guy'.
I don't know how to multi quote here, so apologies. I don't think him apologizing would at all be a bad thing, but I've seen almost universal backlash by the people being apologized to that I myself am not sure what I'd do, I'd probably try to let it blow over and lick my wounds and do some reflecting based on what I've seen anyways. That doesn't make it right, but I get it.