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you turn around and see this on the horizon:
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I'm actually starting to be of the opinion that none of the founders/statues were prior party members. It doesn't really work. They're implied to be City-born with the exception of Ortiz and Rhodes. Additionally, they're supposed to have been alive for the founding of the second City (or about a generation earlier, in the case of the figures that the Cassini and Reid statues depict). That should be too long for them to have lived from the start of Aionios, further evidence that they're City natives. I think they're references to Shulk/Dunban and Rex/Zeke, but not much more (perhaps distant descendants).They could definitely sneak an explanation of the founder weirdness into an epilogue if they wanted to. For example Mio could eventually realize one of those statues was of (who I assume to be) her dad.
You make some good points, although it does raise some questions about just what happened to the rest of the Xenoblade 1 and 2 that we don't see in person. We're clearly supposed to think they'll still be around when time begins flowing again, but they've seemingly been dead or otherwise absent in Aionios for quite some time, which is typically not something that happens easily there. One has to wonder if something happened during the initial Moebius invasion that wiped out a bunch of people, or if Z was somehow selective in who he made soldiers. I guess this could also help to explain why some of the Consuls seem a bit too old to just be Aionios soldiers.I'm actually starting to be of the opinion that none of the founders/statues were prior party members. It doesn't really work. They're implied to be City-born with the exception of Ortiz and Rhodes. Additionally, they're supposed to have been alive for the founding of the second City (or about a generation earlier, in the case of the figures that the Cassini and Reid statues depict). That should be too long for them to have lived from the start of Aionios, further evidence that they're City natives. I think they're references to Shulk/Dunban and Rex/Zeke, but not much more (perhaps distant descendants).
Ortiz can theoretically be a Kevesi soldier version of Shulk, but a descendent (specifically direct son) seems to make more sense - especially as a mirror of Rhodes, who resembles Pneuma but is clearly not her (Mythra's daughter?).
Right. The past is sketchy enough that I'm of the mind Monolith Soft didn't really internally flesh it out properly. XC2 had the advantage of the past being conceived first and then continuing to be considered as part of the main game, so the major beats of Torna were already developed. The references in XC3 feel a lot looser.You make some good points, although it does raise some questions about just what happened to the rest of the Xenoblade 1 and 2 that we don't see in person. We're clearly supposed to think they'll still be around when time begins flowing again, but they've seemingly been dead or otherwise absent in Aionios for quite some time, which is typically not something that happens easily there. One has to wonder if something happened during the initial Moebius invasion that wiped out a bunch of people, or if Z was somehow selective in who he made soldiers. I guess this could also help to explain why some of the Consuls seem a bit too old to just be Aionios soldiers.
Reid and Cassini wouldn't necessarily inherit their mentors' weapons. There's also nothing to suggest the Lucky Seven would come into play; the sentiment I get is that it was only ever wielded by Noah.How would the party role balance work in the DLC campaign with the Founders if all three Xenoblades are in the party? Reid and Cassini would presumably be the wielders of the Monado REX and the Aegis Swords, and then whoever #7 is has Lucky Seven, but then Vandham is supposed to be a fistfighter, so at least one of these should be either a tank or a healer. Rhodes is confirmed to be a healer, but we don't have much to go on for Ortiz and Doyle, so they could go either way.
Yeah, that's really kind of the thing with the founders. Some of these questions seem like they probably have answers, but others are less clear.Right. The past is sketchy enough that I'm of the mind Monolith Soft didn't really internally flesh it out properly. XC2 had the advantage of the past being conceived first and then continuing to be considered as part of the main game, so the major beats of Torna were already developed. The references in XC3 feel a lot looser.
At the same time, there are the mysteries presented by the founder plaques that seem to be intentional teases. Particularly, the disappearance of house Vandham, the circumvention of Ortiz and Rhodes' death at the end of their 10th term, and the identity of the 7th founder all stick out as things that Monolith Soft has answers for but didn't tell us. Those are the reasons I can't really eliminate the idea that the DLC will just be in the past again.
Who knows what's going on with Blades, biologically, post-2, because the previous Blade lifecycle seems to have gotten thrown out the window when Klaus did the thing on his way out.I considered it possible that Z wasn't able to de-age the people stored in Origin, so he only used people who were around 10 when the worlds ended. If that were the case then Shulk & crew were never incorporated into the rebirth cycle to begin with. But I guess Blades being incorporated would work against this idea.
well, I mean,Reid and Cassini wouldn't necessarily inherit their mentors' weapons. There's also nothing to suggest the Lucky Seven would come into play; the sentiment I get is that it was only ever wielded by Noah.
That's the best case scenario in my mind. I honestly might be disappointed if the DLC turns out to be the past unless the reveal trailer adds several layers of intrigue. There's just... nothing there that truly interests me other than the answers to those three questions, and they can't really carry the story on their own.I do still maintain that they could find a way to reveal the answers to said questions in an epilogue if they really wanted to, though, especially for Ortiz and Rhodes.
Another reason I don't buy that the story is in the past, frankly. I really doubt any of those characters are Shulk or Rex, and it'd be weird for Reid and Ortiz to share a gimmick in using mechanically built weapons. Not to mention that that sword is distinctly current Noah's, who shouldn't be in the party at all. Or that this hypothetical group is way stronger than the one in the main game and should've had no problem taking down Moebius entirely.well, I mean,
Hypothetically they don't have to put all these in the playable party, but, like, c'mon
Xenoblade Chronicles Three Motherfuckin Monadoswell, I mean,
Hypothetically they don't have to put all these in the playable party, but, like, c'mon
I could see them leaning into Monado powers for the REX and elemental shenanigans for the Aegis swords to differentiate them. Could also make one of them not an Attacker.Another reason I don't buy that the story is in the past, frankly. I really doubt any of those characters are Shulk or Rex, and it'd be weird for Reid and Ortiz to share a gimmick in using mechanically built weapons. Not to mention that that sword is distinctly current Noah's, who shouldn't be in the party at all. Or that this hypothetical group is way stronger than the one in the main game and should've had no problem taking down Moebius entirely.
(I'm also not entirely sold on that image hinting at the DLC story even though 2's depicted Torna. Could be related to challenge battles or otherwise.)
Not what I'm getting at. Reid - the one who looks like an older Shulk with homages to Dunban - is the one that would supposedly have the Mondo REX+. Ortiz - the one with Shulk's goggles - also has a weapon that's of his own making instead of a proper blade, and it can't be the REX+ even if he is supposed to be Shulk since he made it as a Kevesi soldier. He has no knowledge of the Monado. The plaque treated this as a unique characteristic, so it'd be weird if Reid just also used a physical weapon. It'd also be weird if Reid could call the REX+.I could see them leaning into Monado powers for the REX and elemental shenanigans for the Aegis swords to differentiate them. Could also make one of them not an Attacker.
I feel if it was related to non-canon challenge mode stuff like 2 they would use the Monado 1 instead of the REX(I'm also not entirely sold on that image hinting at the DLC story even though 2's depicted Torna. Could be related to challenge battles or otherwise.)
From what I understand, Origin was an ark containing the digitized souls of everyone in something similar to Core Crystals. The plan was that after the worlds collided and everyone died, Origin would boot up and reconstruct the two worlds with all the data stored inside of it. The two worlds did collide, everyone died, the worlds were destroyed (there's no outside world frozen in time), and Origin began to boot up but then Z took over and created Aionios instead. After we beat Z, Origin is rebooted and works correctly. The worlds are reconstructed at the moment they left off at rather than time resuming.
That's a good pointI feel if it was related to non-canon challenge mode stuff like 2 they would use the Monado 1 instead of the REX
I mean I didn't write it but that's how Nia describes it:There is some distance between Origin being an ark of data and Origin being an object that can not only survive the destruction of the universes but also one that can fully recreate them as they were at the exact moment of destruction.
The latter is insane to me without the Conduit. Maybe even with it given Klaus'sn many million year attempt to rebuild the world in 2.
Where is the suggestion that the universes did destroy each other? The implication I got from the "our worlds are young and something something if they cause each other harm they cannot but continue" speech that Melia gave was that they, at the very least, just glanced off each other.
Which is what makes sense subtextually in a story about first love.
Yeah, I go back and forth on this. It essentially boils down to this:There's plenty of debate in the last several pages of this thread about whether the worlds were literally frozen vs being destroyed. You can get more fleshed out arguments looking a few pages back than what I can give you. I initially had the same take away that you did, that the worlds were frozen but after talking to people in this thread and re-watching scenes I began to feel different. When Nia says the moment came, the flashbacks show us Torigoth getting hit pretty hard then it cuts to a huge tidal wave. Even if the worlds didn't burst into light, the event was horrifically cataclysmic. It's thought the talk of freezing time is meant to be figurative.
Reid - the one who looks like an older Shulk with homages to Dunban
House Reid
In memory of the Founder of House Reid and the City's Liberatrix.
Rather than the Founder herself, this statue depicts the Founder's mentor figure, standing as a sign of the deep reverence and devotion she felt for her teacher.
The Founder's master was unconnected to her by bonds of blood, yet he raised her as would befit a child of one's own, it is said.
Thought of a calm and constant disposition, the sight of him on the battlefield, great red sword in hand, struck fear into many a Moebius.
And though the vicious struggle against Moebius cost this ferocious warrior his right arm...
...the loss did nothing to diminish his desire to hone his martial skills each day, standing as vivid testament to his indomitable will.
Four days out from finishing it I still think it’s super funny the ending is incredibly similar from a JRPG from late last year with the same final dungeon name and role and with the final boss more of a concept than anything else. The ending shares similar beats as a result too lol. Blue Reflection Second Light by Gust.
There’s only so many JRPG endings out there, but it’s funny to see them release so close together. Been fun to compare them on who did what better.
Tora designing Origin is the reason Moebius exists. People weren’t scared of it failing, they were scared of it succeeding and being subject to Tora’s whims.If Tora designed Origin why there is no maid Moebius?
Shit it's literally calles Moe-bius tho...
There's no reason the REX wouldn't be able to be treated as a Blade weapon, considering that Melia's World Ender is. Ortiz's weapon would likely be completely differentNot what I'm getting at. Reid - the one who looks like an older Shulk with homages to Dunban - is the one that would supposedly have the Mondo REX+. Ortiz - the one with Shulk's goggles - also has a weapon that's of his own making instead of a proper blade, and it can't be the REX+ even if he is supposed to be Shulk since he made it as a Kevesi soldier. He has no knowledge of the Monado. The plaque treated this as a unique characteristic, so it'd be weird if Reid just also used a physical weapon. It'd also be weird if Reid could call the REX+.
Melia has the thing locked up in Keves Castle anyway, and I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be captured before this point.
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you turn around and see this on the horizon:
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I realized I forgot to reply earlier! The core journeys and general tone are different enough that it didn’t really hit for me until the ending stretch, but yeah definitely even more similarities when you zoom out even further lol.It's not just Origin. XB3 and Second Light had so many similarities (superficial or not) by the end that it got outright distracting for me. The Mio character being the oldest of the main cast, uniting two disparate parts of a franchise, the debate on whether to keep the eternal now or move onto an uncertain future, the doomed outside world, Origin being a supercomputer to help reboot the world safely, conceptual final boss, characters ambiguously reuniting in the epilogue, it's all so much. Plus the final bosses of the numbered Xenoblades line up eerily well with the final bosses of Blue Reflection 1, Ray, and Second Light.
I don't think the game clarifies X and Y beyond being true moebius. Them appearing as part of the final boss implies they are basically the same as Z I guessSo I just beat it a couple of minutes ago - great ending aside Z being the lamest final boss in the series - and I think I got most of everything but there's one point I'm a bit confused on.
Where did X and Y come from? They're described as originally Moebius like Z, but the game makes it seem like only Z was made from Origin and he made the rest after making Aionios.
Did I misinterpret things or is the implication supposed to be Z made X and Y before he started converting humans into Moebius?
I could see Rex getting Roc's moveset.I want to try and think of one for Rex. I'm not sure how a Driver-Blade mechanic could work in 3 but I also find it hard to imagine Rex using the Aegis swords without the Aegises.
Oh yea, he has anchor shot, sword bash, and double spinning edge with the Junk Sword. He doesn't get any elemental attacks like rolling smash until he bonds with Pyra though.I could see Rex getting Roc's moveset.
He also has a non-driver moveset from the very beginning of the game, I believe it's just some of the skills from Pyra though.
Yeah so I think I gotta quit.
Usually I'm so into a narrative that I don't like to continue a game past the story ending, but this time I knew there was extra stuff in the postgame with Melia and Nia so I said "okay but just them and then I'm done" and that turned into me finding out about the superbosses but I'm getting torched. So that means grinding. And I'm not jazzed for that at this point sooooo maybe when the DLC hits and I do my second playthrough I'll level up enough that way to be able to go after the supers.
In the meantime, I leave you all with the Xenoblade 3 Ending If It Was Released In 2007. Volume up yall:
Noah states at the beginning of the game they are all born looking like this. Nothing in the game suggests anyone is born already an adult.Or did I just miss a piece of dialogue that confirms that character start their term at different levels of maturity, which would explain why Isurd, Cammuravi, Bolearis and others look 30 and tired?
Thought about something
Characters are around 10 when their first term starts right? and they live until they turn 20 or they live for 10 terms
We see past Noah and Mio had a kid and when past Mio reaches homecoming the kid looks to be 3-4 years old.
Does that mean Mio had a kid in her seventh term, basically when she was 16?
Or did I just miss a piece of dialogue that confirms that character start their term at different levels of maturity, which would explain why Isurd, Cammuravi, Bolearis and others look 30 and tired?
Takahashi confirmed 10-20 is the age range, and teen pregnancy is only weird to us because as a society we extended our typical lifetimes by a lot, but for 98% of the history of humans having kids at 14-16 was the norm. Biologically as a species we are ready to mate around that age. Even Monica got pregnant at 15.
I think that the formative years for my personality were between the ages of around 0 to 10, but I also think that the most influential period for something like my outlook on life was between the ages of 10 and 20, the years when people are most impressionable. It seems to me that, while they are both 10 years in length, it was a vulnerable period when I was exposed to many things, took on challenges, and created things as well, and my values and ways of thinking changed drastically. That is why I set the main characters to this period in their lives.
I agreeMy personal theory is that terms are completely divorced from age.
Everybody lives for 10 terms. But everybody starts at whatever age they were when their data was captured in "real life".
However, they don't "know" that they're different ages - the only way they relate time passage to one another is through terms.
For example, Noah could be age 9 - 19 from terms 1 - 10. Whereas someone like Alexandria or Ethel could actually be ages 16 - 26 from terms 1 - 10.
I agreeI think this refers to the main characters - not to the system by which Aionios is run.