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this is pretty tone deaf reply considering this is about a bloodthirsty dictator buying a company.kof15 was really good, I'd have bought snk after playing it too if I could
There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.this is pretty tone deaf reply considering this is about a bloodthirsty dictator buying a company.
What an awful response to this thread.kof15 was really good, I'd have bought snk after playing it too if I could
There's a difference between making a point about the way most companies are in one way or another exploitative, and barging into a thread to make sure that the first reply is a crass joke that completely and tone deafly ignores the issue bring discussed.There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.
This it whataboutism. A cheap excuse not to react in any way to such things.There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.
a bit confused by this reply. i didn't say all other companies are clean. but in a thread about the piece of shit crown prince buying a company coming to make a joke about kof being a good game is in poor taste. it's not even like you can say they may have not known about what MBS is about, it's in the OP.There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.
Its not whataboutism. I see day by day people posting stuff here. And then what? Have you taking the streets? Did you attend the blm movement to show the system that we are here and we see what kind of scums the system is supporting? I did. I was out on the streets. I still have my scar on the right side of my head from the police. My brother too. He has also a scar right above his eye. We took the streets. What changed? Nothing. People are now on the internet. Tweet 2 things, think that they did something brave and then sit on their asses and still consume the products of those capitalist monsters. Oh hey. But at least i did tweet about it right? No no. I rather have no one tweeting about it. I dont want half hearted stuff. Either move and tear the system down or stop pretending. Year by year i marched for workers rights, left leaning issues, lgbt issues, against racism, for peace etc. Then i have to listen here or on twitter from 15 year old upper middle class white people what kind of a horrible person i am because i find tweeting or discussing stuff like that on a gaming forum non sense. It is non sense. The system wants exactly this. Please do your daily tweet so that you can feel better. I did my part. Did you? Did you? Did you got beat up from nazis? Real nazis from austria not your fake ass republican trumpists. Did you? I got beat up. Which whataboutism? Did your cousin died in syria fighting against isis? Did your uncle died fighting against the turkish goverment? No? Well my uncle and my cousin died. Did your parents protest in the 80s and got tortured for 2 weeks because they marched for working class issues in turkey? Well my parents did. What what abotism do you want to talk about? Either move or stop pretending. Its easy to tweet.This it whataboutism. A cheap excuse not to react in any way to such things.
Mbs is a piece of shit who kills children in yemen for how many years now? 5? And no western media is talking about it. Yes i know. I also know that somehow famiboards had an ukrainian flag on their website. But no for yemenitis. Also not for the kurds, palis, myanmar etc. Now mbs is doing that. Did you protest it? Did you go out to the embassy of saudi arabia and did protest about it. Oh you didnt. Well what did you do? I wrote something on famiboards about it. Oh wow. So brave. Sitting in the warm and typing stuff in. My checklist for being a good person for today is done. Bravo. Its non sense. Stop pretending. Most of the people dont really give a flying fuck about the pain out in this world. But they pretend. To farm likes. Trading your obsession for likes for the real pain kasikci or kasshoggis family had and still have is not ok for me and not enough for me. Thats just sitting in the warm and checking your daily virtue signaling list. Nothing more. Go outside. Organize, protest. Then we can talk. Thats my last message about this issue.a bit confused by this reply. i didn't say all other companies are clean. but in a thread about the piece of shit crown prince buying a company coming to make a joke about kof being a good game is in poor taste. it's not even like you can say they may have not known about what MBS is about, it's in the OP.
this isn't about me at all, or about any other user here having to prove to you what they do or don't or give you receipts of their activism. this was about brock's insensitive drive-by post. you've taken it way too far and way off topic with your posts.Mbs is a piece of shit who kills children in yemen for how many years now? 5? And no western media is talking about it. Yes i know. I also know that somehow famiboards had an ukrainian flag on their website. But no for yemenitis. Also not for the kurds, palis, myanmar etc. Now mbs is doing that. Did you protest it? Did you go out to the embassy of saudi arabia and did protest about it. Oh you didnt. Well what did you do? I wrote something on famiboards about it. Oh wow. So brave. Sitting in the warm and typing stuff in. My checklist for being a good person for today is done. Bravo. Its non sense. Stop pretending. Most of the people dont really give a flying fuck about the pain out in this world. But they pretend. To farm likes. Trading your obsession for likes for the real pain kasikci or kasshoggis family had and still have is not ok for me and not enough for me. Thats just sitting in the warm and checking your daily virtue signaling list. Nothing more. Go outside. Organize, protest. Then we can talk. Thats my last message about this issue.
Mbs is a piece of shit who kills children in yemen for how many years now? 5? And no western media is talking about it. Yes i know. I also know that somehow famiboards had an ukrainian flag on their website. But no for yemenitis. Also not for the kurds, palis, myanmar etc. Now mbs is doing that. Did you protest it? Did you go out to the embassy of saudi arabia and did protest about it. Oh you didnt. Well what did you do? I wrote something on famiboards about it. Oh wow. So brave. Sitting in the warm and typing stuff in. My checklist for being a good person for today is done. Bravo. Its non sense. Stop pretending. Most of the people dont really give a flying fuck about the pain out in this world. But they pretend. To farm likes. Trading your obsession for likes for the real pain kasikci or kasshoggis family had and still have is not ok for me and not enough for me. Thats just sitting in the warm and checking your daily virtue signaling list. Nothing more. Go outside. Organize, protest. Then we can talk. Thats my last message about this issue.
friendo, your post was literally like "what about vanguard and blackrock and blackstone"Its not whataboutism.
Oh man, you are something else, huh?kof15 was really good, I'd have bought snk after playing it too if I could
Well, this part at least is a good thing, right? Having more development talent in different parts of the world is a good thing. We have needed more games made in the ME for a while.Well if anyone else was curious as to why SNK in particular I looked it up and apparently Saudis were trained by them in game design and allowed to visit Japan to learn tricks of the trade. "The investment itself was made through a wholly-owned subsidiary, referred to as the 'Electronic Games Development Company.'"
"Whataboutism" as a term is a rhetorical distraction invented by imperialists to whitewash the lynching of black people in America, it's just saying "you're never allowed to talk about hypocrisy." I really despise people trying to use this term to silence discussion of pertinent issues, and hypocrisy IS pertinent to discussions of ethics in consumption. If you're going to make an argument that buying a certain game is wrong, morally, because of the owner of the developer, it is absolutely legitimate to discuss whether or not other developers have the same issue.friendo, your post was literally like "what about vanguard and blackrock and blackstone"
also jesus christ at the thread derail and weird accusations of virtue signaling and slacktivism
This debate did not stem out of a discussion about other developers."Whataboutism" as a term is a rhetorical distraction invented by imperialists to whitewash the lynching of black people in America, it's just saying "you're never allowed to talk about hypocrisy." I really despise people trying to use this term to silence discussion of pertinent issues, and hypocrisy IS pertinent to discussions of ethics in consumption. If you're going to make an argument that buying a certain game is wrong, morally, because of the owner of the developer, it is absolutely legitimate to discuss whether or not other developers have the same issue.
Understand that I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong if they don't want to buy SNK games now, everyone has their own ethical prerogatives and red lines, but saying we're not allowed to discuss other developers and their owners is absurd.
I can live without buying Metal Gear Tactics, at the very least buying it new. Lord knows I have enough tactics games this year...
Dude, what the fuck.My comment wasn't a joke, KoF15 is really good. SNK isn't a huge company so the investment obviously doesn't come from an area of existing success (like Activision/EA/2K) but rather because SNK showed a lot of potential with KoF15. Which makes sense, it's the best fighting game I've played in over a decade.
Is it a surprise that one of the richest people in the world is making investments? As you said, this isn't even the first video game company he's invested in.Dude, what the fuck.
this maybe isn't the best thread to talk about how much you just love kof15My comment wasn't a joke, KoF15 is really good. SNK isn't a huge company so the investment obviously doesn't come from an area of existing success (like Activision/EA/2K) but rather because SNK showed a lot of potential with KoF15. Which makes sense, it's the best fighting game I've played in over a decade.
There's no context in the OP beyond the fact that he bought the company presumably because of KoF15.this maybe isn't the best thread to talk about how much you just love kof15
like, I'm not saying you have to boycott snk or whatever, but read the room, dude
The thread is more about who purchased it, not why he purchased it.There's no context in the OP beyond the fact that he bought the company presumably because of KoF15.
That's fair. In my case I think it's more notable that SNK is getting major funding than it is that SNK is one of the thousands of companies that funnel money towards a nasty rich guy, so that's why I reacted the way I did.The thread is more about who purchased it, not why he purchased it.
This is a total misunderstanding of the origins of the term, to the point of nearly falling for whataboutism."Whataboutism" as a term is a rhetorical distraction invented by imperialists to whitewash the lynching of black people in America, it's just saying "you're never allowed to talk about hypocrisy."
That is not happening in this thread. I do not know why you are saying this.I really despise people trying to use this term to silence discussion of pertinent issues
"Discussing whether or not ither developers have the same issue" isn't what's happening.and hypocrisy IS pertinent to discussions of ethics in consumption. If you're going to make an argument that buying a certain game is wrong, morally, because of the owner of the developer, it is absolutely legitimate to discuss whether or not other developers have the same issue.
You are completely twisting what's going on here to the point where I have a hard time thinking you're being genuine.Understand that I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong if they don't want to buy SNK games now, everyone has their own ethical prerogatives and red lines, but saying we're not allowed to discuss other developers and their owners is absurd.
The Saudi Arabian government has been trying to clear up their image by investing in culture, education, tech, etc. The original SNK investment IIRC was through his non profit organization that focuses on all of the above. They're also hosting the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix in F1, which the last one had the particular incident of being held while the country was being subject to missile attacks from Houthi rebels 10 miles from the track lolTLDR on how this happened?
Maybe you misread the post. It's not about a company that's funnelling money to a nasty rich guy.funnel money towards a nasty rich guy
Doesn't it mean that MBS profits off of SNK sales now? That's what I meant.Maybe you misread the post. It's not about a company that's funnelling money to a nasty rich guy.
Yes, it would also mean Bin Salman would lose money if this investment doesn't pan out. That's why threads like these are usually made, to raise awareness that the product you are considering would benefit a terrible human being. Some people prefer to protest with their wallets and will refuse to purchase any SNK games going forward because it would benefit MBS.Doesn't it mean that MBS profits off of SNK sales now? That's what I meant.
Yeah, exactly.Yes, it would also mean Bin Salman would lose money if this investment doesn't pan out. That's why threads like these are usually made, to raise awareness that the product you are considering would benefit a terrible human being. Some people prefer to protest with their wallets and will refuse to purchase any SNK games going forward because it would benefit MBS.
A murderous rich guy, but don't let that stop you from minimizing who MBS is.fair. In my case I think it's more notable that SNK is getting major funding than it is that SNK is one of the thousands of companies that funnel money towards a nasty rich guy, so that's why I reacted the way I did.
So are you saying you have no critical thinking skills?There's no context in the OP beyond the fact that he bought the company presumably because of KoF15.
i can't believe you came back to the thread after several hours only to double down. just wow.My comment wasn't a joke, KoF15 is really good. SNK isn't a huge company so the investment obviously doesn't come from an area of existing success (like Activision/EA/2K) but rather because SNK showed a lot of potential with KoF15. Which makes sense, it's the best fighting game I've played in over a decade.
Ehh, whatever SNK might make him or lose him, it will be a rounding error on his spreadsheets. This is just a form of 'soft power' investment.Yes, it would also mean Bin Salman would lose money if this investment doesn't pan out. That's why threads like these are usually made, to raise awareness that the product you are considering would benefit a terrible human being. Some people prefer to protest with their wallets and will refuse to purchase any SNK games going forward because it would benefit MBS.
I wasn't implying that we could take him down by boycotting the next Metal Slug game, just that some people prefer not to have their personal purchases go towards people like this, so the topic is simply meant to raise awareness. I personally boycott things that have no chance of going away, that doesn't stop me from boycotting though. Just putting the OP into perspective.Ehh, whatever SNK might make him or lose him, it will be a rounding error on his spreadsheets. This is just a form of 'soft power' investment.
Dude's one of the richest people on Earth, he could buy one of the 'three big ones' if he really wanted to. Remember that he already has investments in EA and Activision.
Yeah, a lot of people have this weird idea that doing so is "virtue signalling" when it's really just.... being able to sleep at nightI wasn't implying that we could take him down by boycotting the next Metal Slug game, just that some people prefer not to have their personal purchases go towards people like this, so the topic is simply meant to raise awareness. I personally boycott things that have no chance of going away, that doesn't stop me from boycotting though. Just putting the OP into perspective.
This is a total misunderstanding of the origins of the term, to the point of nearly falling for whataboutism.
I agree it deserves to be talked about, if the intent of the other posters was to shut down discussion I don't think that's right, but I think we should be allowed to talk about the morality of billionaire-owned corporations beyond just SNK if it's relevant to the discussion.That is not happening in this thread. I do not know why you are saying this.
"Discussing whether or not ither developers have the same issue" isn't what's happening.
What's happening is somebody is trying to argue that we shouldn't talk about it at all because other developers have the same issue.
You are completely twisting what's going on here to the point where I have a hard time thinking you're being genuine.
Virtue signaling is a buzzword for a specific group of people. It's like how the terms "cancel culture" and "woke" is used.Yeah, a lot of people have this weird idea that doing so is "virtue signalling" when it's really just.... being able to sleep at night
Given how fucked capitalism is I wonder how anyone sleeps at night then.Yeah, a lot of people have this weird idea that doing so is "virtue signalling" when it's really just.... being able to sleep at night
By doing what little bit they can within, or even outside of their comfort zone. People will pick and choose their battles here, they just need the information first.Given how fucked capitalism is I wonder how anyone sleeps at night then.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Sucks that MBS owns so much of SNK, and it would suck if any other multi-billionaire capitalist owned them too.I think most people on here understand that ethical consumption under capitalism is hard.... that doesn't mean we can't discuss things critically.
Well if anyone else was curious as to why SNK in particular I looked it up and apparently Saudis were trained by them in game design and allowed to visit Japan to learn tricks of the trade. "The investment itself was made through a wholly-owned subsidiary, referred to as the 'Electronic Games Development Company.'"
So it was fine when he only owned 1/3rd of the company? LolI can live without buying MetalGearSlug Tactics, at the very least buying it new. Lord knows I have enough tactics games this year...