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News SNK is now owned by Mohammad Bin Salman a War criminal who killed a journalist

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mazi said:
this is pretty tone deaf reply considering this is about a bloodthirsty dictator buying a company.
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There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.
 
Brock Reiher said:
kof15 was really good, I'd have bought snk after playing it too if I could
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What an awful response to this thread.

Pagan said:
There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.
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There's a difference between making a point about the way most companies are in one way or another exploitative, and barging into a thread to make sure that the first reply is a crass joke that completely and tone deafly ignores the issue bring discussed.

Throwing out extended metaphors about killing a woman or using the phrase "virtue signaling" have nothing to do with the point you think you're making.
 
Pagan said:
There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.
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This it whataboutism. A cheap excuse not to react in any way to such things.
 
Pagan said:
There is not one company which isnt owned undirectly or directly by vanguard or black rock or black stone. The companies which support death, destruction, murderers, dictators, rapists, sexists etc. We all play their games. Our friend is an edgy chad but its the reality. The worst part is that those companies go arround and talk about inclusion. Thats like me killing a woman and then telling the judge that i was not in a toxic masculine mode while killing her. Thats what those companies are doing. All of them. Either we block all of them or we stop pretending. We are all contributing to this and a tweet or a nice virtue signaling wont change the fact that we all support those monsters with our money.
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a bit confused by this reply. i didn't say all other companies are clean. but in a thread about the piece of shit crown prince buying a company coming to make a joke about kof being a good game is in poor taste. it's not even like you can say they may have not known about what MBS is about, it's in the OP.
 
EnergyDrink said:
This it whataboutism. A cheap excuse not to react in any way to such things.
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Its not whataboutism. I see day by day people posting stuff here. And then what? Have you taking the streets? Did you attend the blm movement to show the system that we are here and we see what kind of scums the system is supporting? I did. I was out on the streets. I still have my scar on the right side of my head from the police. My brother too. He has also a scar right above his eye. We took the streets. What changed? Nothing. People are now on the internet. Tweet 2 things, think that they did something brave and then sit on their asses and still consume the products of those capitalist monsters. Oh hey. But at least i did tweet about it right? No no. I rather have no one tweeting about it. I dont want half hearted stuff. Either move and tear the system down or stop pretending. Year by year i marched for workers rights, left leaning issues, lgbt issues, against racism, for peace etc. Then i have to listen here or on twitter from 15 year old upper middle class white people what kind of a horrible person i am because i find tweeting or discussing stuff like that on a gaming forum non sense. It is non sense. The system wants exactly this. Please do your daily tweet so that you can feel better. I did my part. Did you? Did you? Did you got beat up from nazis? Real nazis from austria not your fake ass republican trumpists. Did you? I got beat up. Which whataboutism? Did your cousin died in syria fighting against isis? Did your uncle died fighting against the turkish goverment? No? Well my uncle and my cousin died. Did your parents protest in the 80s and got tortured for 2 weeks because they marched for working class issues in turkey? Well my parents did. What what abotism do you want to talk about? Either move or stop pretending. Its easy to tweet.
 
mazi said:
a bit confused by this reply. i didn't say all other companies are clean. but in a thread about the piece of shit crown prince buying a company coming to make a joke about kof being a good game is in poor taste. it's not even like you can say they may have not known about what MBS is about, it's in the OP.
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Mbs is a piece of shit who kills children in yemen for how many years now? 5? And no western media is talking about it. Yes i know. I also know that somehow famiboards had an ukrainian flag on their website. But no for yemenitis. Also not for the kurds, palis, myanmar etc. Now mbs is doing that. Did you protest it? Did you go out to the embassy of saudi arabia and did protest about it. Oh you didnt. Well what did you do? I wrote something on famiboards about it. Oh wow. So brave. Sitting in the warm and typing stuff in. My checklist for being a good person for today is done. Bravo. Its non sense. Stop pretending. Most of the people dont really give a flying fuck about the pain out in this world. But they pretend. To farm likes. Trading your obsession for likes for the real pain kasikci or kasshoggis family had and still have is not ok for me and not enough for me. Thats just sitting in the warm and checking your daily virtue signaling list. Nothing more. Go outside. Organize, protest. Then we can talk. Thats my last message about this issue.
 
Pagan said:
Mbs is a piece of shit who kills children in yemen for how many years now? 5? And no western media is talking about it. Yes i know. I also know that somehow famiboards had an ukrainian flag on their website. But no for yemenitis. Also not for the kurds, palis, myanmar etc. Now mbs is doing that. Did you protest it? Did you go out to the embassy of saudi arabia and did protest about it. Oh you didnt. Well what did you do? I wrote something on famiboards about it. Oh wow. So brave. Sitting in the warm and typing stuff in. My checklist for being a good person for today is done. Bravo. Its non sense. Stop pretending. Most of the people dont really give a flying fuck about the pain out in this world. But they pretend. To farm likes. Trading your obsession for likes for the real pain kasikci or kasshoggis family had and still have is not ok for me and not enough for me. Thats just sitting in the warm and checking your daily virtue signaling list. Nothing more. Go outside. Organize, protest. Then we can talk. Thats my last message about this issue.
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this isn't about me at all, or about any other user here having to prove to you what they do or don't or give you receipts of their activism. this was about brock's insensitive drive-by post. you've taken it way too far and way off topic with your posts.
 
Curious how this happened.

Also the irony in telling people that all they do is tweet & not “protest, organize, seek real change” yet your here doing exactly that; wasting you time tweeting instead of being active. Also you hit almost every bullet point of S.W.A.M.P.E.D.
 
I think most people on here understand that ethical consumption under capitalism is hard.... that doesn't mean we can't discuss things critically.

Well if anyone else was curious as to why SNK in particular I looked it up and apparently Saudis were trained by them in game design and allowed to visit Japan to learn tricks of the trade. "The investment itself was made through a wholly-owned subsidiary, referred to as the 'Electronic Games Development Company.'"
 
Pagan said:
Mbs is a piece of shit who kills children in yemen for how many years now? 5? And no western media is talking about it. Yes i know. I also know that somehow famiboards had an ukrainian flag on their website. But no for yemenitis. Also not for the kurds, palis, myanmar etc. Now mbs is doing that. Did you protest it? Did you go out to the embassy of saudi arabia and did protest about it. Oh you didnt. Well what did you do? I wrote something on famiboards about it. Oh wow. So brave. Sitting in the warm and typing stuff in. My checklist for being a good person for today is done. Bravo. Its non sense. Stop pretending. Most of the people dont really give a flying fuck about the pain out in this world. But they pretend. To farm likes. Trading your obsession for likes for the real pain kasikci or kasshoggis family had and still have is not ok for me and not enough for me. Thats just sitting in the warm and checking your daily virtue signaling list. Nothing more. Go outside. Organize, protest. Then we can talk. Thats my last message about this issue.
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I understand your sentiment, but no one in here is "farming likes" or virtue signalling, this isn't Twitter. On the contrary, you're inferring that you're the only one in here that attended protests, while everybody else is busy "pretending".
It's a sensitive subject, but you derailed the fuck out of it my dude.
 
Brock Reiher said:
kof15 was really good, I'd have bought snk after playing it too if I could
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Oh man, you are something else, huh?


I'm not going to dignify the whataboutism (complete with "VERCHOO SIGNULING!!!") elsewhere in the thread with a direct response. Maybe I'll have another coffee and get back to you.


Anyway, looks like Metal Slug Tactics is off the agenda for me. This is disgusting.
 
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It's sad that it's come this far. I don't want gouvernement owned companies to own developers/publishers.

zumaddy said:
Well if anyone else was curious as to why SNK in particular I looked it up and apparently Saudis were trained by them in game design and allowed to visit Japan to learn tricks of the trade. "The investment itself was made through a wholly-owned subsidiary, referred to as the 'Electronic Games Development Company.'"
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Well, this part at least is a good thing, right? Having more development talent in different parts of the world is a good thing. We have needed more games made in the ME for a while.

Edit: so EGDC is basically the same company... Don't know how I feel about that.
 
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So actually addressing the subject at hand: one of the downsides of eSports taking off as a form of entertainment is the increased level of corporate interest.

Not only does this mean you get eSports teams bring set up and run by some really shady corporations (there are some real horror stories online about the way many teams are run) but it also means where state interests and corporate interests align, you get situations like this where teams or development companies get bought out by companies representing truly horrible governments.

The only way to address this is regulation: more regulation is needed on who can own eSports teams or developers, and more checks out in place to make sure this doesn't become the new area where dirty money or amoral groups launder their image.
 
Gay Bowser said:
friendo, your post was literally like "what about vanguard and blackrock and blackstone"

also jesus christ at the thread derail and weird accusations of virtue signaling and slacktivism
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"Whataboutism" as a term is a rhetorical distraction invented by imperialists to whitewash the lynching of black people in America, it's just saying "you're never allowed to talk about hypocrisy." I really despise people trying to use this term to silence discussion of pertinent issues, and hypocrisy IS pertinent to discussions of ethics in consumption. If you're going to make an argument that buying a certain game is wrong, morally, because of the owner of the developer, it is absolutely legitimate to discuss whether or not other developers have the same issue.

Understand that I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong if they don't want to buy SNK games now, everyone has their own ethical prerogatives and red lines, but saying we're not allowed to discuss other developers and their owners is absurd.
 
Branduil said:
"Whataboutism" as a term is a rhetorical distraction invented by imperialists to whitewash the lynching of black people in America, it's just saying "you're never allowed to talk about hypocrisy." I really despise people trying to use this term to silence discussion of pertinent issues, and hypocrisy IS pertinent to discussions of ethics in consumption. If you're going to make an argument that buying a certain game is wrong, morally, because of the owner of the developer, it is absolutely legitimate to discuss whether or not other developers have the same issue.

Understand that I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong if they don't want to buy SNK games now, everyone has their own ethical prerogatives and red lines, but saying we're not allowed to discuss other developers and their owners is absurd.
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This debate did not stem out of a discussion about other developers.

This debate stemmed from a crass joke, which when called out another poster decided to pile in with arguments about Blackrock, hypothetical gender killings and virtue signaling.

No one, absolutely no one, is against the subject of dirty money being invested into video games being discussed in this thread.

What is causing friction is the willy billy spraying of aggressive arguments and terminology that have no bearing on the subject matter at hand.
 
On this subject: it is worth bearing in mind that Bin Salman has also invested in Take Two, Activision and Electronic Arts, and heavily so at that.

It's up to users to make a judgement call on whether to support any games from the above companies, but just to clarify that SNK is not the only developer involved here.
 
My comment wasn't a joke, KoF15 is really good. SNK isn't a huge company so the investment obviously doesn't come from an area of existing success (like Activision/EA/2K) but rather because SNK showed a lot of potential with KoF15. Which makes sense, it's the best fighting game I've played in over a decade.
 
Brock Reiher said:
My comment wasn't a joke, KoF15 is really good. SNK isn't a huge company so the investment obviously doesn't come from an area of existing success (like Activision/EA/2K) but rather because SNK showed a lot of potential with KoF15. Which makes sense, it's the best fighting game I've played in over a decade.
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Dude, what the fuck.
 
Brock Reiher said:
My comment wasn't a joke, KoF15 is really good. SNK isn't a huge company so the investment obviously doesn't come from an area of existing success (like Activision/EA/2K) but rather because SNK showed a lot of potential with KoF15. Which makes sense, it's the best fighting game I've played in over a decade.
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this maybe isn't the best thread to talk about how much you just love kof15

like, I'm not saying you have to boycott snk or whatever, but read the room, dude
 
Saw all my friends really enjoying KOF15. I wonder if folks like Max and other would stop playing it because of this. Highly doubt, im assuming the FGC doesn't care about this but this really suck because i was really hyped for metal slug tactics.
 
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Branduil said:
"Whataboutism" as a term is a rhetorical distraction invented by imperialists to whitewash the lynching of black people in America, it's just saying "you're never allowed to talk about hypocrisy."
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This is a total misunderstanding of the origins of the term, to the point of nearly falling for whataboutism.

Branduil said:
I really despise people trying to use this term to silence discussion of pertinent issues
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That is not happening in this thread. I do not know why you are saying this.

Branduil said:
and hypocrisy IS pertinent to discussions of ethics in consumption. If you're going to make an argument that buying a certain game is wrong, morally, because of the owner of the developer, it is absolutely legitimate to discuss whether or not other developers have the same issue.
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"Discussing whether or not ither developers have the same issue" isn't what's happening.
What's happening is somebody is trying to argue that we shouldn't talk about it at all because other developers have the same issue.

Branduil said:
Understand that I'm not trying to say anyone is wrong if they don't want to buy SNK games now, everyone has their own ethical prerogatives and red lines, but saying we're not allowed to discuss other developers and their owners is absurd.
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You are completely twisting what's going on here to the point where I have a hard time thinking you're being genuine.
 
zumaddy said:
TLDR on how this happened?
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The Saudi Arabian government has been trying to clear up their image by investing in culture, education, tech, etc. The original SNK investment IIRC was through his non profit organization that focuses on all of the above. They're also hosting the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix in F1, which the last one had the particular incident of being held while the country was being subject to missile attacks from Houthi rebels 10 miles from the track lol
 
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Brock Reiher said:
Doesn't it mean that MBS profits off of SNK sales now? That's what I meant.
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Yes, it would also mean Bin Salman would lose money if this investment doesn't pan out. That's why threads like these are usually made, to raise awareness that the product you are considering would benefit a terrible human being. Some people prefer to protest with their wallets and will refuse to purchase any SNK games going forward because it would benefit MBS.
 
KC Hazel said:
Yes, it would also mean Bin Salman would lose money if this investment doesn't pan out. That's why threads like these are usually made, to raise awareness that the product you are considering would benefit a terrible human being. Some people prefer to protest with their wallets and will refuse to purchase any SNK games going forward because it would benefit MBS.
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Yeah, exactly.
 
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Glad for this thread really. Easy to find who to ignore. Some good ole whataboutism and false equivalencies.
Brock Reiher said:
fair. In my case I think it's more notable that SNK is getting major funding than it is that SNK is one of the thousands of companies that funnel money towards a nasty rich guy, so that's why I reacted the way I did.
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A murderous rich guy, but don't let that stop you from minimizing who MBS is.
Brock Reiher said:
There's no context in the OP beyond the fact that he bought the company presumably because of KoF15.
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So are you saying you have no critical thinking skills?
 
Brock Reiher said:
My comment wasn't a joke, KoF15 is really good. SNK isn't a huge company so the investment obviously doesn't come from an area of existing success (like Activision/EA/2K) but rather because SNK showed a lot of potential with KoF15. Which makes sense, it's the best fighting game I've played in over a decade.
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i can't believe you came back to the thread after several hours only to double down. just wow.
 
KC Hazel said:
Yes, it would also mean Bin Salman would lose money if this investment doesn't pan out. That's why threads like these are usually made, to raise awareness that the product you are considering would benefit a terrible human being. Some people prefer to protest with their wallets and will refuse to purchase any SNK games going forward because it would benefit MBS.
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Ehh, whatever SNK might make him or lose him, it will be a rounding error on his spreadsheets. This is just a form of 'soft power' investment.
Dude's one of the richest people on Earth, he could buy one of the 'three big ones' if he really wanted to. Remember that he already has investments in EA and Activision.
 
NarohDethan said:
Ehh, whatever SNK might make him or lose him, it will be a rounding error on his spreadsheets. This is just a form of 'soft power' investment.
Dude's one of the richest people on Earth, he could buy one of the 'three big ones' if he really wanted to. Remember that he already has investments in EA and Activision.
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I wasn't implying that we could take him down by boycotting the next Metal Slug game, just that some people prefer not to have their personal purchases go towards people like this, so the topic is simply meant to raise awareness. I personally boycott things that have no chance of going away, that doesn't stop me from boycotting though. Just putting the OP into perspective.
 
KC Hazel said:
I wasn't implying that we could take him down by boycotting the next Metal Slug game, just that some people prefer not to have their personal purchases go towards people like this, so the topic is simply meant to raise awareness. I personally boycott things that have no chance of going away, that doesn't stop me from boycotting though. Just putting the OP into perspective.
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Yeah, a lot of people have this weird idea that doing so is "virtue signalling" when it's really just.... being able to sleep at night
 
bellydrum said:
This is a total misunderstanding of the origins of the term, to the point of nearly falling for whataboutism.
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It's not, but that's not really the topic of this thread, so I'll leave it.

bellydrum said:
That is not happening in this thread. I do not know why you are saying this.


"Discussing whether or not ither developers have the same issue" isn't what's happening.
What's happening is somebody is trying to argue that we shouldn't talk about it at all because other developers have the same issue.


You are completely twisting what's going on here to the point where I have a hard time thinking you're being genuine.
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I agree it deserves to be talked about, if the intent of the other posters was to shut down discussion I don't think that's right, but I think we should be allowed to talk about the morality of billionaire-owned corporations beyond just SNK if it's relevant to the discussion.
 
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bellydrum said:
Yeah, a lot of people have this weird idea that doing so is "virtue signalling" when it's really just.... being able to sleep at night
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Virtue signaling is a buzzword for a specific group of people. It's like how the terms "cancel culture" and "woke" is used.
 
bellydrum said:
Yeah, a lot of people have this weird idea that doing so is "virtue signalling" when it's really just.... being able to sleep at night
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Given how fucked capitalism is I wonder how anyone sleeps at night then.
 
I have no love for Mr. BoneSaw, but can we avoid turning this site into a copy of the old one with the dog piling and goading into moderation?
 
NarohDethan said:
Given how fucked capitalism is I wonder how anyone sleeps at night then.
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By doing what little bit they can within, or even outside of their comfort zone. People will pick and choose their battles here, they just need the information first.
 
zumaddy said:
I think most people on here understand that ethical consumption under capitalism is hard.... that doesn't mean we can't discuss things critically.

Well if anyone else was curious as to why SNK in particular I looked it up and apparently Saudis were trained by them in game design and allowed to visit Japan to learn tricks of the trade. "The investment itself was made through a wholly-owned subsidiary, referred to as the 'Electronic Games Development Company.'"
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There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Sucks that MBS owns so much of SNK, and it would suck if any other multi-billionaire capitalist owned them too.
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I can live without buying Metal Gear Slug Tactics, at the very least buying it new. Lord knows I have enough tactics games this year...
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So it was fine when he only owned 1/3rd of the company? Lol
 
Rather than boycott games from a company I love (and, sadly, whose employees have NO SAY in who owns them), I'm just going to donate to charities like this: https://www.savethechildren.org/us/where-we-work/yemen

Donating money to causes like that will, in the end, mean quite a bit more to them than whatever MBS gets from his holdings in SNK, EA, Capcom and the like.
 
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