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Pre-Release Shin Megami Tensei V - Pre-release Discussion Thread

Are you hyped??

  • Yes

    Votes: 167 74.9%

  • No

    Votes: 9 4.0%

  • The option that'll lead to me failing this negotiation after spending half my Macca and 5 Life Stone

    Votes: 47 21.1%
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Demi-Fiend, Artemis, Cleopatra and Mephisto DLCs seem interesting. I might take a look at them. They will be playable on late story segments like the ones in SMT IV for sure.

Now that I remember, there was this DLC in Apocalypse where everyone in Mikado became a zombie. Boy, this game was dark as fuck, too bad it has so many shitty anime cliches.

You fought against demonic Hope and demonic Abbot Hugo. The conclusion? Everyone in Mikado is killed and the kingdom completely destroyed.


Appelsider said:
I am so excited for SmT V!!!
It's one of the first few games that made me interested in the Switch! I can't believe it's so close to release now!

I have SmT4 and Apocalypse on DS but I'm ashamed to say I didn't even finish the first one because I just can NOT navigate the map. But I did put quite a few hours into it and I really enjoyed it so I'm not too worried about not enjoying V when it comes out haha.

I'll get back to IV some day.. ahaha.. backlog
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The map can be a huge issue in these games. Use a guide if you get stuck because of the map, don't feel ashamed about it.
 
Sneaky Atlus making the best demons, the fiends, DLC.

That's actually the first "downer" news for me. The fiends are iconic (for me) and should be in the base group of demons for every SMT game.
 
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That looks cool, but I'd rather they had announced the DLCs and bundles before. I'll play as soon as I can (have digitally preordered) and I'm not sure I'll be able to get the DLCs before release, if they had announced this before I could plan myself to get those as well, so there's a big chance that if I play them will be only when replaying the game.
 
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I'd love to be educated by series veterans on how these re-designs compare to older SMT. From my limited exposure to the most infamous examples from past games there appears to be some conscious de-weirdening going on, with more humanoid creatures than I expected to see. The faces of the DLC are indistinguishable from gacha waifus! Many of the demons still aren't mainstream material, but where are the eldritch dick monsters?
 
Sheldon said:
I'd love to be educated by series veterans on how these re-designs compare to older SMT. From my limited exposure to the most infamous examples from past games there appears to be some conscious de-weirdening going on, with more humanoid creatures than I expected to see. The faces of the DLC are indistinguishable from gacha waifus! Many of the demons still aren't mainstream material, but where are the eldritch dick monsters?
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There's still some weirder or more grotesque stuff debuting in V (Lahmu, the Manananggal), but you kind of hit the nail on the head with the gacha waifus observation. There's a reason many of those are DLC. A lot of the new humanoid designs in this entry are just not it for me, and I say this as someone who isn't necessarily opposed to post-Kaneko designs. The archangels, Merkabah and Lilith in SMT IV were fantastic over-the-top weirdness.

Even compared to previous humanoid designs, stuff like Fionn mac Cumhaill just doesn't quite cut it when we have really enduring designs like Setanta to live up to.
 
Sheldon said:
I'd love to be educated by series veterans on how these re-designs compare to older SMT. From my limited exposure to the most infamous examples from past games there appears to be some conscious de-weirdening going on, with more humanoid creatures than I expected to see. The faces of the DLC are indistinguishable from gacha waifus! Many of the demons still aren't mainstream material, but where are the eldritch dick monsters?
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Tbh the new Artemis design is way better than the trash that was Diana.

I don't understand how anyone can defend that design. It's some of the worst Kaneko designs I've seen.

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We still have our weird demon design from Doi.
 
I mean I love it, Im just surprised it’s so right on your face. And you could even link the open mouth to the kink where they split open certains parts of the penis, or all of it.
 
Guaraná said:
will I miss too much if I never played any shin megami tensei before?
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Game should be standalone and not have any connections to previous games.

Though the DLC they announced today, the Demi-Fiend, is the protagonist of SMT 3. But it's DLC ... so that's that.
 
Ramune said:
There's still some weirder or more grotesque stuff debuting in V (Lahmu, the Manananggal), but you kind of hit the nail on the head with the gacha waifus observation. There's a reason many of those are DLC. A lot of the new humanoid designs in this entry are just not it for me, and I say this as someone who isn't necessarily opposed to post-Kaneko designs. The archangels, Merkabah and Lilith in SMT IV were fantastic over-the-top weirdness.

Even compared to previous humanoid designs, stuff like Fionn mac Cumhaill just doesn't quite cut it when we have really enduring designs like Setanta to live up to.
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So it seems like I'm maybe picking up on a strategic tweak in direction, but much more of it is about the influence of different lead artists whose works I've tossed together into one pot instead of seeing the timeline. I'll need to look up the names Kaneko and Doi.

AquaWateria said:
Tbh the new Artemis design is way better than the trash that was Diana.

I don't understand how anyone can defend that design. It's some of the worst Kaneko designs I've seen.

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We still have our weird demon design from Doi.
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I see a screaming alien chariot dick. I'm happy. The strawwoman is also fetching.

Having looked up Diana, I proceeded to open and shut my mouth in dead silence for the following minutes. Is that a fucked up reference to the myth of Amazon archer's having one breast? I struggle to begin to make a lick of sense of the concept, considering what else Diana stands for, nevermind the terrible execution.

Bonejack said:
People want weird Doi designs. Me: ".... Did you see Manananggal?"
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That's a new one? Hm. I give it a high 8 on grotesqueness, but low scores for erring towards the side of smooth shiny sexiness in the art.
 
Sheldon said:
That's a new one? Hm. I give it a high 8 on grotesqueness, but low scores for erring towards the side of smooth shiny sexiness in the art.
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I think you have to ignore a loooooooooot of creepy to find something "sexy" in there. ^^
 
Appelsider said:
I am so excited for SmT V!!!
It's one of the first few games that made me interested in the Switch! I can't believe it's so close to release now!

I have SmT4 and Apocalypse on DS but I'm ashamed to say I didn't even finish the first one because I just can NOT navigate the map. But I did put quite a few hours into it and I really enjoyed it so I'm not too worried about not enjoying V when it comes out haha.

I'll get back to IV some day.. ahaha.. backlog
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I don't know how far into IV you got, but there's a lategame sidequest that gives you the ability to fly on the world map.
 
AquaWateria said:
Tbh the new Artemis design is way better than the trash that was Diana.

I don't understand how anyone can defend that design. It's some of the worst Kaneko designs I've seen.

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We still have our weird demon design from Doi.
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I raise you human form Jinana from Digital Devil Saga, although I'm not entirely sure if Kaneko actually designed her or not, because the only "art" of her is her model from the game.
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Bonejack said:
I think you have to ignore a loooooooooot of creepy to find something "sexy" in there. ^^
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It's an error-prone balance act with these creepy beauty archetypes, but the human parts of the Manananggal art take their cues from glossy, photoshopped, bordering-on-porn inspirations and that diminishes the integrity of the idea.

Nevermind how placing Manananggals in the creepy sexy category seems dubious at a glance. They're originally just creepy.
 
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I wouldn't mind Diana if it was a little more stylised and less flesh-coloured. I think she looks sort of like a P2 era Persona in terms of her silhouette and something could have been done with that. I also have to admit I'm quite forgiving of more bizarre designs in this series than I am the ones they play straight as 'normal' (if oddly proportioned) waifu bait.
Bonejack said:
People want weird Doi designs. Me: ".... Did you see Manananggal?"
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It's rad! I hope we get more Filipino stuff included in SMT in the future, it's often pretty wild and could open the door for some really cool design concepts.
maniacmaison said:
Are we seriously going to have a dick shaped demon in the Switch? Right in front of my salad?
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It's already in a bunch of games on Nintendo platforms! I think it's in Strikers. It's not subtle either, it's often accompanied with dick jokes.
 
Ramune said:
I wouldn't mind Diana if it was a little more stylised and less flesh-coloured. I think she looks sort of like a P2 era Persona in terms of her silhouette and something could have been done with that. I also have to admit I'm quite forgiving of more bizarre designs in this series than I am the ones they play straight as 'normal' (if oddly proportioned) waifu bait.

It's rad! I hope we get more Filipino stuff included in SMT in the future, it's often pretty wild and could open the door for some really cool design concepts.

It's already in a bunch of games on Nintendo platforms! I think it's in Strikers. It's not subtle either, it's often accompanied with dick jokes.
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It's in Strikers and even in a sidequest where you have to fight the "Throbbing King of Desire"
 
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Guaraná said:
will I miss too much if I never played any shin megami tensei before?
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You'll be fine. If anything this one is looking like a good place to start, which IV already was and I think this one seems to be incorporating a lot more of that.
 
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EU Fami, SMTV can be redeemed with a voucher on the eShop!
 
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Man, some of these new designs are... interesting. I've only fully played SMT IV, so I'm not sure what's normal for the series beyond the conversation here.

But, at a glance, the DLC isn't what I would have expected.
 
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So very hyped for this game! Been on a blackout on media for it these past few months though, so I probably won't be in here much.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out the gameplay loop in this one -- like every gameplay video I see is the MC wandering around ruined Tokyo, getting into battles. But that's it. Is it open world? Do we do quests? Is there a hub or anything? The trailers make it seem really cool but I don't really know how it actually plays outside of being a turn-based RPG with monster catching.
 
Guaraná said:
will I miss too much if I never played any shin megami tensei before?
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Nothing at all, they're stand alone. You will have the opportunity to play the previous games when you inevitably get addicted and go look for more.
 
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touchfuzzy said:
I'm still trying to figure out the gameplay loop in this one -- like every gameplay video I see is the MC wandering around ruined Tokyo, getting into battles. But that's it. Is it open world? Do we do quests? Is there a hub or anything? The trailers make it seem really cool but I don't really know how it actually plays outside of being a turn-based RPG with monster catching.
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If it's like previous SMT games, it's story based, so we'll be traveling between locations based on that. It's not open world it seems, there are sidequests, and maybe there's a hub? There's a story location that would fit as a hub but we don't know for sure
 
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Atlus gonna Atlus with the DLC, that being said I still got the digital deluxe edition because Fiend Gauntlet and Artemis/Mephisto/Cleo sidequests sound fun
 
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touchfuzzy said:
I'm still trying to figure out the gameplay loop in this one -- like every gameplay video I see is the MC wandering around ruined Tokyo, getting into battles. But that's it. Is it open world? Do we do quests? Is there a hub or anything? The trailers make it seem really cool but I don't really know how it actually plays outside of being a turn-based RPG with monster catching.
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The main loop of mainline SMT is going from dungeon to dungeon, while collecting and fusing demons. The world map merely connects these dungeons together. I guess they haven't shown many dungeon videos.
 
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I knew the Demifiend was going to show up in this game, but I thought it was going to be more of a bonus if you had an SMTIIIHD save on your Switch. Still great having him in the game and maybe the other SMT protagonists will join as future DLC.
 
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What I’ve seen of the DLC has left me cold tbh. There are hundred of demons to fuse as is, what’s a couple more? The Mitama stuff is going to help with grinding a bit, but if you don’t like to grind too much, you can simply play on easier difficulties. Now, if there are meaty questlines tied to those new demons, things can get interesting but it doesn’t look like it.
 
Amazing to see Demi fiend as an enemy. I am loving very much everything I see of the game except the damage points... Is it just me or damage looks way too high? Even for regular attacks damage numbers seems high...
 
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Elven_Star said:
What I’ve seen of the DLC has left me cold tbh. There are hundred of demons to fuse as is, what’s a couple more? The Mitama stuff is going to help with grinding a bit, but if you don’t like to grind too much, you can simply play on easier difficulties. Now, if there are meaty questlines tied to those new demons, things can get interesting but it doesn’t look like it.
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Maybe I'm being too optimistic but I think the quests for the DLC demons might be meaty with the way they are describing them.
 
AquaWateria said:
Maybe I'm being too optimistic but I think the quests for the DLC demons might be meaty with the way they are describing them.
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it'll probably be similar to the Apocalypse DLC quests for Mephisto/Cleo/Artemis so a decently long quest segment of 20 minutes or so followed by a boss fight and then unlocking the demon for fusion. The Fiends/demifiend is probably longer for sure, since its a 9 boss gauntlet into the demifiend.

Based on official descriptions Fiends will appear periodically throughout the game starting from the middle of the game. Fiends are non-rematchable, but Demifiend is rematchable.

Cleopatra and Mephisto are rematchable and are recommended to be fought in the end-game. Artemis is rematchable and recommended to be fought in the mid-game. Both Cleo and Mephisto seem to be specifically progression gated as is Artemis, but the Fiends seem to just be a recommendation.
 
snikdasnek said:
it'll probably be similar to the Apocalypse DLC quests for Mephisto/Cleo/Artemis so a decently long quest segment of 20 minutes or so followed by a boss fight and then unlocking the demon for fusion. The Fiends/demifiend is probably longer for sure, since its a 9 boss gauntlet into the demifiend.

Based on official descriptions Fiends will appear periodically throughout the game starting from the middle of the game. Fiends are non-rematchable, but Demifiend is rematchable.

Cleopatra and Mephisto are rematchable and are recommended to be fought in the end-game. Artemis is rematchable and recommended to be fought in the mid-game. Both Cleo and Mephisto seem to be specifically progression gated as is Artemis, but the Fiends seem to just be a recommendation.
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Also, Cleo's quest seems interesting just on the fact she was seemingly kicked out of the Egyptian branch.
 
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i have never played a SMT game so do these games receive the same treatment as Persona, in the sense of receiving a better and optmized game version( royal) after the original has been published?
I was quite interested in the game but the news of day one dlc actuallly put this game on "wait "mode for me......i just hate this practice and as a newcomer immediately seems a unwelcoming practice.
 
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