Maybe the most they'd is release an HD Remaster of Bowser's Inside Story
I was only highlighting differences that make a direct comparison of sales figures not necessarily matter. Different games, different histories, audiences, and genres.
getting called sensitive doesn't warrant a "harsh and dismissive of the fanbase" response lol
Do we know Rockstar's schedule after GTA6? Because Bowser is clearly a rockstar.
I think we still need more distance before they'd even consider a second Superstar Saga remake. Most I could see is maybe they remaster the 3DS version at some point (now that the WiiU has been pretty thoroughly mined, it does feel like 3DS could be Nintendo's next main source for reselling old content)
A satirical/parody Bowser game could work
It’s not Nintendo you’ll have to convince but the current leads. If they still do not wanna make an RPG then I doubt Nintendo will force them. It’ll instead just have them potentially searching for some other studio to make it.
Yeah. The main thing is what kind of Paper Mario game the dev team wants to make. Not what Nintendo tells IS to make.
Questionable to be honest with you. I think the puzzles of the first 2 Paper Mario games were better than the Toad/Item scavenger hunts of Origami King. I honestly completely forget Color Splash. It's possible that game was better than Origami King for overworld stuff.
Honestly I’d like to see partners in time get the remake treatment. They can totally clean up those 3ds super star saga and bowsers inside story remakes and put those out on switch. But if they were to remake another Mario rpg, I hope its partners in time. I have a copy on my shelf but I’d prefer to play it on my switch tbh.
Bowser's Inside Story remake is one of the worst selling Mario games ever released, I don't see it ever getting sold on its own. Maybe a Mario and Luigi triple pack, with remasters of the 3DS Saga and Bowser games, and a remake of Partners in Time.
Color Splash was pretty great, level design wise. It merged "level based structure" and "lived-in world" really well.
Calling the TTYD fanbase “sensitive” is putting it very lightly tbh.
I agree. Even though Paper Mario next must be well under development and it’s gameplay already decided upon, the sales of both SMRPG and TTYD could just signal that there’s apetite for turn-based Mario RPGs.
Having a vocal and loyal fanbase in social media doesn’t equate to millions in sales. I’m optimistic it’ll do very well, but basing sales estimates on participation of gaming enthusiasts isn’t a very reliable forecasting source.
Paper Mario has always had pretty context sensitive overworld game play. Even though a game like Origami King lacks in partner abilities, I wouldn't say it lacks for overworld and dungeon puzzles, which are largely what you'd expect from the series.
Thanks for sharing your sentiment. This is honestly the most valid point I’ve read concerning TTYD’s backtracking.
I'd expect Intelligent Systems to stick to Paper Mario, with other Mario RPG efforts outsourced and moved around as needed. Ultimately we got two Paper Mario games on Switch, one original, and one remake. I think the next system will be very similar, but I think the original one is coming first, rather than having two remakes in a row.
My sentiments exactly. It’s their bread and butter. No one else knows how to do Paper Mario like them. They’re even remaking TTYD internally.
I agree. What I wonder is if they’ll ever make a SMRPG and if ArtePiazza would be tasked with remaking M&L.
My thoughts exactly.
I think so too. But I think that, during the Switch 3, we’ll either get two original PMs, or just one, because after Super, what can they remake? I doubt they’ll touch Sticker and Color. There’s PM64, but speaking of that game:
I'll take whatever alternative leads to a new Mario RPG.
I think I'd be optimistic about Sticker and Color, but I'd expect them to be straight remasters with minimal work and mini pricetags.
I'll have to give Origami King another shot but for some reason I wasn't able to get through it.
I get that but Origami King still managed to sell over 3 million even with an online hate campaign all the way up to launch. TTYD launching (hopefully) controversy free and in an era where we know Mario RPGs can sell with the Mario RPG remake doing well could lead to a great performance.
I’m expecting them to remain secluded in their respective consoles xD
You said it yourself: an online hating campaign. It’s restricted to hardcore circles
Oh, I’m sure there will be something that the usual suspects will nitpick over.
I have no doubt TTYD will perform well, but my point is that a vocal minority shouldn’t be used as a data point
Fair enough. It can just be hard to see it as a vocal minority when to this day I still see people throwing pot shots at both Origami King and its fans, and with people like Arlo swearing that TTYD fans makeup the majority of the fanbase.
Yeah, there always is with the Paper Mario fanbase.
I mean...if Arlo's guess is that the majority of the fanbase prefers TTYD, wouldn't that explain why there is so much outcry/complaints towards the newer games?
If Arlo is guessing the majority of the fanbase prefers TTYD then the games after should have done worse overall instead of 2/3 occupying the top spots along with Super.
Or...they are buying them and complaining about them. : P (me back when sticker star came out) but like it's been so many years.
I mean, those of us that like the games aren’t allowed to say it unless we want our replies flamed with people calling us “Nintendo shills” and insulting our tastes. Positive opinions on modern Paper Mario are seen as invitations for certain TTYD fans to pick fights with us, and after a while that gets tiring and we don’t even bother talking about them/defending them anymore :/
Your buying habits are no concern of mine but I doubt it’s a majority of the current fanbase. Maybe of those who played it during the GC/Wii era but not currently.
Personally I see people getting more defensive over criticism of the newer games than the old fans being sensitive. They just seem old and understandably grumpy.
Agreed, TOK's overworld is great! I hope the next game adopts that system.
Well regardless, now this is my personal opinion but I think even newer gamers would appreciate a full on RPG game more than whatever Paper Mario is now.
Being old and grumpy does not excuse how they’ve talked/engaged people who actually enjoyed these games over three different forums now.
I don’t think this remake will all of a sudden open the eyes of the faithless to the wonders of PMRPG. The only pivot I see happening is the discussion becoming an even more unbearable mess.
That just indicates that there are a lot of vocal people online. I know people who love the newer games but are outright scared to admit it because the more intense of TTYD's fanbase won't leave them alone.
It's a pretty casual statement, friend.
Frankly, I think Arlo's takes aren't worth shit. Not when he's out there doing things like painting Aonuma as a monster for the great crime of not wanting to make OoT-style Zelda anymore. I'd hate to be part of a fandom that ties their wagon to what comes out of his mouth.
I think that's a complete mischaracterization of what Arlo said in that video? He was criticizing Anouma's take that people wanting a more linear Zelda are simply nostalgic.
The wording he criticized is taken from a translation without nuance. But more to the point, his thumbnail for that video was straight-up offensive.
It's a translation from a professional publication, we can only assume it's accurate. Especially if it was ran through a Nintendo translator before being sent in an email reply which is how most of these interviews are done.
News outlets often don't translate with nuance, or report on what another outlet used for a translation.
Ok well in lue of the original transcripts we can never know. Saying the translation is potentially inaccurate is a pretty weak argument. People judge developer statements all the time off of translated interviews from professional outlets, that's not something you can hold against someone.News outlets often don't translate with nuance, or report on what another outlet used for a translation.
Also, that thumbnail was offensive, full stop.
If you don't see the problem with childish shit like this coming from a grown-ass adult trying to paint himself as reasonable, I don't know what to tell you.
I mean it’s juvenile and makes me not want to click on it. and yeah, thanks to YouTube I have to judge a video by its cover because the last time I clicked on an Arlo video, I ended up with right wing gamers complaining about nonsense for weeks. I can’t afford to click on videos these days without absolute certainty Youtibe won’t find a way to fuck it up.
To be honest though, backtracking in Sticker Star is way, way worse than any of the older PM games, but no one really talks about it because there’s a boatload of other problems with the game that are more blatant. The wiggler segment stuff in World 3 alone is worse than General White.
