If MPR is not a success then we can write off a bunch of games within this bracket that actually did have marketing. What exactly were people expecting/hoping for & why are we taking those over Nintendo’s? As we saw with XCDE vs XC2 sales discussion, sometimes enthusiasts can be wildly out of step with the actual market.
I know that’s all I needed. Same goes for Zelda in general.
Interesting.
Well yeah we know it was badly undershipped physically. We don't know whether that was simply because they didn't have very high expectations for it, or if they were pushing to have everyone but digitally. Maybe both. I'd assume mostly the latter given the weird announcement and release, in which case we don't know how much of a success that really was. Regardless the game has since been very available, and seemingly hasn't had better than expected legs.
Yikes? People are just discussing this. The takes don’t seem insufferable. Sarcasm, name-calling and finger pointing however aren’t really helping matters.
Lol don't "yikes" me like you're high roading me or something.
Nah, people need to stop acting like there's any other legitimate way to judge marketing
lol, he never said anything about gameplay video.
Only half of those read as particularly vindictive to me, and you've already taken a random unwarranted potshot at OP earlier. I agree that this thread (and the marketing argument as a whole) is getting pointlessly nasty, but this isn't helping things at all.
I'm really not emotionally invested in this, my comment was pretty tongue-and-cheek. But a lot of people were really confident that there was nothing wrong or off with TOTK's marketing. So it's funny to see people eat crow now.
Metroid is a niche series which best selling game for 20+ years didn't even sell 3 million copies. In 2 months a "low budget" remaster sold over 1 million copies. There's no world in which that can even be remotely viewed as a disappointment. 1 million was likely Nintendo's lifetime sales hope for the Prime remaster, and it blew past that immediately, despite Nintendo's best efforts to kneecap it's sales with under shipping the physical copy and not giving it a proper marketing cycle.
If it makes you feel any better. You misunderstood my post completely.
Mind explaining your post to me? My bad.
This is the important takeaway. The moment we get the big 3D Mario reveal, we need to immediately start bitching about not knowing what the hell it's showing. Force Koizumi's ass into the dreaded gameplay demonstration chair. He doesn't get a choice.
Lesson here is: Being obnoxious is acceptable if it leads to good things.
I feel like people might be losing the plot
Yeah, this feels like team "it's just an expansion" trying to pivot their comically bad take into one where they were somehow right.
Some people probably used the lack of marketing to justify their dumb opinions yeah. From my perspective I wasn't worried about the quality of the game, more just annoyed at the lackadaisical and anti-hype marketing campaign that was vehemently defended at points.
“Miyamoto, what the fuck is a Pikmin?”
I don't think this will work on Miyamoto so we need a different plan of attack...
Apparently I'm high roading when you're doing stuff like this:
You're not being altrusistic, you're being more blatantly acting how you're telling others they're behaving, ratcheting up the tension to 11 by taking what are obviously jokes/remarks and telling the users directly that they're insufferable, obnoxious, toxic, etc. and painting the whole of Famiboards with a wide swath. You claim they're hyperfocusing on the article, but you're coming across as more defensive of the jokes and criticism than anything else, as if people can't have a critical opinion. Essentially, you're telling people they cannot behave in a way that you dislike, and you perceive it as toxicity, but it mostly comes across as tongue-in-cheek jokes or remarks (aside from the one user calling people "incompetent"). And like DecoReturns said, you have a history of hostility. The mod team even had to make a public statement about your behavior at one point.
