That's clearly not forgotten Land tho, if it was they wouldn't be having fun
In terms of awards etc they pay more attention to how a game is reviewed and so since these people prefer a difficult game, the awards will always go to them and so the devs of a top tier easy game won't get recognised for their work.
they could have found that the difficulty was detrimental to their enjoyment of the game. it's not necessarily that it has to be hard. I've seen more than a handful of fans say that about recent Pokemon games as an example.
i am a gigantic kirby fan and i'm not about to pretend that any game in the series puts up any meaningful resistance
Why would awards be important to any player of games?
In all fairness the boss fights in this game look pretty challenging. More challenging than 3D Mario boss fights at least.
Elden Ring is currently at a 95 on Metacritic which seems about right to me. I think what people have an issue with is some games receiving a negative score because they're too easy like Kirby or too hard like Metroid Dread. But some games get praised because of the type of game it is. So a 2D game will more likely get scored negatively and the difficulty is an excuse to justify it. Where as a big, dark open world game will score better and the difficulty is never mentioned as an issue. Reviewers aren't infallible and I'm not sure why there's such a rush to defend them on here. People can make mistakes or be biased. Nobody's perfect.
Dread got great scores from people who criticized the difficulty
And it got some negative reviews because of its "difficulty" I'm not sure what you're having trouble understanding lol
I see where you are coming from and I apologise deeply to all of you for my extremely garbage take. I will try to do better in the future.
I guess I don't understand why someone not liking Dread because it's too hard is a bad thing
Well it also depends on what the series is known for or what type of game it is. Like Metroid Dread getting some criticism for being difficult relative to the rest of the series is understandable. Kirby getting that for being easy or Donkey Kong for being hard is much less understandable for me but that's kinda whatever to me. I just see reviews, awards, etc. as opinions that you don't necessarily have to align with and shouldn't place TOO much importance on. I'd say one thing that helps out Elden Ring relative to other Souls games is that it has more freedom in how you can explore to level up or find weapons and skills plus more frequent checkpoints and improved fast travel so the difficulty is much more manageable this time around than before and thus why more folk can get into it. Of course, I still have my own issues with it, like finding it too punishing for its own good but, ehh, that's just how opinions are
Because games are being scored on what type of game they are. So for example a 2D side scrolling game will ALWAYS score lower than a big 3D open world game. I mean, It's not really difficult to figure out.
So not liking Dread is a conspiracy against 2D games
all good
no harm, so you're no problem at all.
If that's how you wanna frame it go ahead. But I'm not saying it's a "conspiracy" it's not that simple or that black and white. It's just the way the industry is.
Well that's not anything new. Plenty of games won't win awards or score as well because of the type of game they are. Same reason why a racing game or SRPG or even really multiplayer games don't usually do well when it comes to awards. It is what it is. Most of what I like rarely does well come GotY season and a lot of what I don't care for or even dislike often win a ton. I don't really get bothered by it because it doesn't mean anything to me. I just like what I like
It doesn't matter, apparently people like Elden Ring more
I'm with you on that, I'm still going to like what I like. I just think it's a silly quirk. So best to just laugh at it.
Yeah, best to laugh at it or just shrug your shoulders and move on. Don't go on and on about it, man
I was responding to people that are clearly being disingenuous. Not you. It's all good.
This makes no sense when Hollow Knight and Ori and the Will of the Wisps exist.
None of those games scored anywhere near as high as Elden Ring, The Witcher 3 or Red Dead Redemption 2. What are you having trouble understanding?
Ehh...not to be rude here or anything but there are exceptions, like the ones you gave. Like how Journey won most GotY awards the year it came out, even though it's usually your big AAA cinematic experiences that dominate them. Overall, I do agree with your point
I think that's a valid criticism, but we shouldn't make excuses for reviews that don't elaborate on why "easy = bad". If a reviewer implies that a game is lesser because of its difficulty, then we should take this as a stupid and shallow criticism instead of going full History Channel with stuff like "actually they were referring to this part in the third level..." . Let's not forget that these people get paid for writing these reviews and they should be criticized when their product is unprofessional.
Yeah, Nintendo has a problem making its games accessible to people with disabilities. However I think that the approach that games like SMO have taken is a very welcome progress in an industry where nobody cares about making games for little kids or senior players.
eh, AC to SMO is an apple to oranges comparison. The problem that I see with the reception to games like SMO, Yoshi's Wooly World / Crafted World, previous Kirby games, etc. is that being easy has become some sort of sin for platformers. I'm sure there are millions of people out there that want get into action games or platformers and don't care about simulation games like AC, the problem however is that a lot of platformers (including many made by Nintendo) require you to have good motor skills and reflexes which not everyone has.
Celeste and Undertale got some nutty af reviews dawg.
Maybe because those games are better? In terms of narrative design or exploration or gameplay. There's no anti 2D game bias.
I can only imagine that they don't talk to others about games outside of Nintendo communities, because I have known many people who will outright say they do not play 2D games.
Yeah everyone knows that the unforgettable classic Dragon Age Inquisition became the consensus GOTY because it was an objectively better game than garbage games like Shovel Knight or Tropical Freeze.
I believe they're talking to you and others in this thread. How about trying to keep things respectful instead of dismissive?
I'm literally asking who they're talking to, because they didn't reply to anyone. I know Kirby reviews may seem important, but they're not so important that you need to get this heated.
That's literally a whole different scenario, and even then I'd say that's less because it's a 3D game and more because it's a massive AAA game from Bioware. Just look at Hades and Disco Elysium. Those are 2D games that won tons of GOTY awards the past few years. They're just not sidescrollers.
To people that think that some examples I can count with one hand somehow are proof that a bias doesn't exist. Sorry if that wasn't your point.
My point is that of course 2D games get treated less favorably, but the reason is more general (not being as mainstream). A lot of the best 3D games according to Metacritic are super mainstream, and honestly, the MC scores reflect what most people feel. Someone like me who has some weird shit in her top games would have a list diametrically opposed from MC's.
I can't tell if you're saying Celeste is undeserving or if it's surprisingly high for a niche game
Hey either way it's 2D!
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I'd imagine, if the demo didn't sell you, the game as a whole probably won't do it for you as that is how a lot of Kirby games are
Shovel Knight is arguably more important than Celeste and Undertale, it showcased what a crowdfunded game could do. Despite this immediate achievement, Shovel Knight was neglected in GOTY talks in favor of two AAA games nobody remembers.
Ok I might have to take the L, that example is more about the pro-AAA bias, which is another beast.
Yeah lol. If you think the 2D bias doesn't exist then you should take a stroll on Twitter or 4Chan whenever an indie game gets released or revealed. Pixel art Metroidvania was an actual fucking thing that got thrown in the old place and people unironically used against games like Celeste.
