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I think to be safe it’s best to remain hidden, the building has a lot of peeping uncles after all…. ;P
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I just wanna say, like some here have said should happen leading up to release, that the leaks happening would get louder. It appears it's starting to happen.
I retract.Just caught up with the past several pages. This tweet doesn't seem like a leak to me. The tweets immediate above and below this one suggest it being a speculation. I also don't believe that the person is a source worthy of attention, as evident by a timeline peppered with gems like this (machine translated; source):
"If there is evidence that the Chinese military will absolutely violate international law by attacking Japan's nuclear power plants, the only option Japan can take is to arm itself with nuclear weapons and carry out a preemptive nuclear attack on China. There is no choice but to destroy China before it launches another attack."
Oh my godJust caught up with the past several pages. This tweet doesn't seem like a leak to me. The tweets immediate above and below this one suggest it being a speculation. I also don't believe that the person is a source worthy of attention, as evident by a timeline peppered with gems like this (machine translated; source):
"If there is evidence that the Chinese military will absolutely violate international law by attacking Japan's nuclear power plants, the only option Japan can take is to arm itself with nuclear weapons and carry out a preemptive nuclear attack on China. There is no choice but to destroy China before it launches another attack."
There is no God, in my ignorance I killed Him.Oh my god
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With the power of friendship and a fancy sword?There is no God, in my ignorance I killed Him.
And my trusty pet Drake! And his 1024 cores of fire!With the power of friendship and a fancy sword?
Nothing serious, leak wise, just combing over the information that's out there with some interesting results!So I've missed some things, eh?
Nothing serious, leak wise, just combing over the information that's out there with some interesting results!
No new info in long while.Would you dumb it down to like pretend I'm five? Haha.
Oh, if you're thinking of 'only' 10-15 GB/s sequential read for SSDs, that's... rather near future, actually. PCIe 5.0 drives have been getting announced recently, and by spec, they're supposed to max out at 14 GB/s. Although I think that some of the first generation controllers have trouble getting past 10 GB/s?I should address the previous post, I can perhaps see something for 2025/26 as enough for a workable PRO model for PS5 and XSX if they were to do one, and a new generation of systems for 2028/29.
I wonder how fast SSD speeds can get in the next 8-10 years though, that’ll matter for those consoles. Perhaps not a big enough MEM upgrade, but SSD speeds to help with that would be the thing I foresee.
Maybe… 24-32GB of RAM, but SSDs with >10-15GB/s speeds
No new info in long while.
Old info still interesting, we talk about old info again and again. Old info still has things we haven't noticed.
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In this Jan 2016 article, Mohuzuki claimed that the NX was likely to launch later that same year due to a source who had knowledge of flat-panel displays:* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
We expect a small recovery in shipments of flat-panel displays for game devices because of Nintendo’s new game hardware expected to be released in 2016,” said Hiroshi Hayase, a senior principal analyst at IHS Technology, part of IHS, at the firm’s display forum held in Tokyo.
I seriously do wonder how this is going to play out long-term.Edit: Why the fuck do so few SSD reviews actually test power draw!? Have any PCIe 4.0 drives broken past the 1 GB/s per watt mark in pure sequential read? It'd be nice if power efficiency kept up (or beat, even) with the increase in raw throughput, cause a future where double digit watts are needed solely for streaming from storage is dumb, damnit.
I think it’s too early to make that conclusion as a lot of context is missing here.OK nobody else said it so I'm going to go ahead and say it.
There's a reason storage is such a huge question mark. Every alternative to what Nintendo is using now has some sort of significant caveat.So I've been researching online about UFS cards and uh...are Samsung the only company making these things? They seemingly just announced 4.0, but I can't even seem to find a place to buy any of them online. I assume Nintendo could enter into a deal with Samsung for them (especially if they're the only company making them), kind of like Seagate's cards for XBS.
No, because no one uses them. But anyone could make them should the demand be thereSo I've been researching online about UFS cards and uh...are Samsung the only company making these things? They seemingly just announced 4.0, but I can't even seem to find a place to buy any of them online. I assume Nintendo could enter into a deal with Samsung for them (especially if they're the only company making them), kind of like Seagate's cards for XBS.
Absolutely. I just wanted an excuse to get hyped and drop a meme.I think it’s too early to make that conclusion as a lot of context is missing here.
That said, power draw isn’t the only limiting factor for a SoC of this kind, but the size of the chip itself relative to the rest of the device cannot be ignored here. Should be bigger than the Van Gogh APU but smaller than the Series S APU.
~8B transistors is a safe estimate based on everything that we know, but SRAM is pretty large on the node.
Or, Nintendo forgoes this, just gets a large SoC and calls it a day.
So I know devs wanted 1 GB/s for PS5/XBS, but what would be the rough equivalent for Drake?There's a reason storage is such a huge question mark. Every alternative to what Nintendo is using now has some sort of significant caveat.
With UFS cards, the benefit is that, at least in theory, manufacturing should be able to ramp up very quickly, because it's basically the same as the embedded form of the memory already being manufactured, but with a few extra steps to package into a card. Nintendo would probably want to have some sort of cross promotion deal to start things off, but the market should, in theory, start providing them once things get going.
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There's has been multiple discussions about this. SD Express, CFexpress and M2 are also options besides those. Although the later would probably consume too much for it to be selected.And if UHS-II speeds aren't enough and UHS-III doesn't seem to exist at all, isn't UFS all that's left?
Write speeds aren't too important. Most of the writing is save files which are small. And downloading games.So I know devs wanted 1 GB/s for PS5/XBS, but what would be the rough equivalent for Drake?
Before I ask anymore questions, how important are write speeds for video games? I assume it would only be used for saving? Do games need to read and write and at the same time? If not, I assume they could use the full-duplex speed?
If they go with SD, is UHS-II full-duplex speed (312 MB/s) fast enough? What about UHS-III (624 MB/s)? But even "just" UHS-II cards seem somewhat expensive (~$50 for 128 GB, ~$100 for 256GB) to me from what I've found on Amazon and not that common? And they seem to cap out at around 250 MB/s read speeds as well, unless you want to spend 3x? for 300 MB/s. And I can't seem to find any UHS-III cards at all, so I guess that's not an option.
But going off of Samsung's website, UFS seems (seemed?) to have been quite a bit more affordable? $59.99 for 256 GB with a max read speed of 500 MB/s, which I'm assuming is/was UFS 1.0/1.1 (doesn't seem to be a difference between the two according to wikipedia) seems like a pretty great deal to me? Would that speed be enough or would they have to go for 3.0 cards (which I assume haven't even been manufactured? On a semi-related note, the voltage is listed as 2.7~3.6V. Is that high for a system that would be running ~7-10 watts in portable mode?
So from my perspective, it seems like UFS is the clear winner here, but there's likely details that I'm no privy to or missing entirely. I feel like if you're going to have consumers spending more for storage on average that it would make more sense to go with a different type (UFS) altogether. Why risk confusing your consumers and have them potentially buy a UHS-I card on accident? And if UHS-II speeds aren't enough and UHS-III doesn't seem to exist at all, isn't UFS all that's left? Unless there's another option that I'm unaware of (I probably am). If it was discussed here, please forgive me for forgetting about it. Oh an thanks to all those answering my sudden plethora of storage related questions.
In this Jan 2016 article, Mohuzuki claimed that the NX was likely to launch later that same year due to a source who had knowledge of flat-panel displays:
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I meant to reply earlier but thank you for the clarification! Seems I got duped from earlier about Nintendo's relation to the SD Association hahaThe part I've bolded seems to come up a lot for some reason, but it's not true. Here's the list of board members of the SD Association, and you'll note that Nintendo aren't on there. They are listed as General Members, which is the basic level of membership required for them to support SD cards, use the logo, etc. As per this page, being a general member they don't even have voting rights within the SD Association.
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part of the OLED leak came from the Switch's firmware when Aula was found (before it had the name Aula, I think?). folks found that it asking for software pertaining to a different display type* Hidden text: cannot be quoted. *
part of the OLED leak came from the Switch's firmware when Aula was found (before it had the name Aula, I think?). folks found that it asking for software pertaining to a different display type
Combining this information with what we know of the CUDA Count and CPU Core Count, plus the clocks given in this new info, I don't believe a SoC on 8nm could deliver those clocks, on a 1536 core GPU at those wattages.
The 8 CPU Core info came from an Nvidia Linux kernel commit for the SOC that stated "8 CPU Cores in a single cluster." So it's from the horses mouth.Agree. When lookin at products with similar form factors as the Switch, such as the AYA Neo Air that uses a 5825U APU with a die size of 180mm2, its hard to fathom the next Switch using an SOC larger than that. Assuming the core counts are correct, its pretty much impossible for the SOC to be manufactured on 8nm. When you look at Nvidias current lineup of RTX4* series graphics cards, they have moved on to 4nm and the RTX4050 has a die size of 190mm2 with 3840 cores. Compare that to the RTX3050 on 8nm with a die size of 276mm2 with 2560 cores. At 4nm, 1536 cores would consume about 114mm2 of die space and that at least seems plausible. I do not remember any of the leaks really detailing how many CPU cores there would be, but it seems like everyone assumes eight and im not so sure they wouldn't cut it down to six. Five available A78 CPU cores clocked around 1.25Ghz would be superior to the PS4/Xone in a meaningful way. Games still aren't perfect at distributing the work load across lots of CPU cores and you often see the first few cores maxed out while the remaining cores are at 50%. When push comes to shove, losing a couple of CPU cores in favor of more GPU cores would be the correct move.
It doesn't really change things one way or another. Everything currently points to LDPPR5, which on a 128 bit bus gives us 102GB/s. LPDDR5X is theoretically possible, but seems a stretch to me at the moment. I'd expect somewhat lower memory clocks in portable mode than docked either way.@Thraktor does this observation reinforce your belief that Drake will come with 102 GB/s of memory bandwidth?
Check the first page Dakhil has been doing an amazing job keeping track of any leaks and possible rumors. Linux kernel has mentioned an 8 core cpu.Agree. When lookin at products with similar form factors as the Switch, such as the AYA Neo Air that uses a 5825U APU with a die size of 180mm2, its hard to fathom the next Switch using an SOC larger than that. Assuming the core counts are correct, its pretty much impossible for the SOC to be manufactured on 8nm. When you look at Nvidias current lineup of RTX4* series graphics cards, they have moved on to 4nm and the RTX4050 has a die size of 190mm2 with 3840 cores. Compare that to the RTX3050 on 8nm with a die size of 276mm2 with 2560 cores. At 4nm, 1536 cores would consume about 114mm2 of die space and that at least seems plausible. I do not remember any of the leaks really detailing how many CPU cores there would be, but it seems like everyone assumes eight and im not so sure they wouldn't cut it down to six. Five available A78 CPU cores clocked around 1.25Ghz would be superior to the PS4/Xone in a meaningful way. Games still aren't perfect at distributing the work load across lots of CPU cores and you often see the first few cores maxed out while the remaining cores are at 50%. When push comes to shove, losing a couple of CPU cores in favor of more GPU cores would be the correct move.
part of the OLED leak came from the Switch's firmware when Aula was found (before it had the name Aula, I think?). folks found that it asking for software pertaining to a different display type
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This was the site I found that referenced a new Nintendo switch in 2021. It provided notes about Samsung screen orders for 699 inch OLED screens.
近々7(6.99)インチの有機EL端末が出るはず
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