Interesting insight from Chris Ding (who presumably has contacts at retailers):
What does new hardware have to do with issues like characters' teeth clipping through their face? A Drake boost mode would not fix the other technical problem the game has.
"Significant"
"quite some time"
I mean, if Nintendo wanted to kill the Switch momentum, this would be an effective way of doing it. Of course, this would have to be actually true too.
Damn, so this was actually true!So not only are we likely not getting new hardware in 2023 but it's going to be a super lackluster year for new Nintendo games? Awful. :/
Damn, so this was actually true!
Performance across the spectrum on Switch games are BAD. Pokemon is just the latest example. Besides as listed in my post, Pokemon Company is absolutely also to be blamed for poor visuals, severe bugs and glitches, etc. They could absolutely do better on Switch hardware but not by much.
Damn, so this was actually true!
This is a One Weird Fact(tm) that gets lost in the discussion sometimes, when the new dock gets brought up. The 39W power output is kinda sorta a lie.I think it might even be likely for the docked power consumption to be much higher than the previous generation, I think 30W is possible. The Dock with LAN Port supports power outputs up to 39W, which no Switch system has used yet. I still believe the Dock with LAN Port is the dock that the new system will use; and I don't think it'll even change power brick. 39W output, 4K60 support, better ventilation than the previous dock, it has everything it really needs. It could perhaps even support fast charging with the same brick.
This sure does contradict with what this place was saying last time I was in this thread haha.So not only are we likely not getting new hardware in 2023 but it's going to be a super lackluster year for new Nintendo games? Awful. :/
I think when people think of Nintendo's next-gen console, people think of Nintendo pivoting away from the Nintendo Switch branding, which I think is a very flawed assumption to make, especially when taking into consideration the Game Boy Advance.People are still so stuck in the upgrade vs new console mentality.
Even after both current gen consoles more or less has had a 2 year cross gen period.
Those Pokemon Scarlet/Violet reviews are a big YIKES. Performance and visuals look atrocious. Come on Nintendo, people want new hardware. This is reaching pathetic level now (Pokemon company also gets some of the blame).
When does this shit become unacceptable?
HA HA almost feels like it. All joking aside it's sounding like a very disappointing 2023 for Nintendo.
PIKMIN 4 will be so impressive, no one will WANT to play anything else until 2025. Genius move by Nintendo.PIKMIN 4
So not only are we likely not getting new hardware in 2023 but it's going to be a super lackluster year for new Nintendo games? Awful. :/
Interesting insight from Chris Ding (who presumably has contacts at retailers):
I mean, if Nintendo wanted to kill the Switch momentum, this would be an effective way of doing it. Of course, this would have to be actually true too.
Picked up on what? The dumb speculation of somebody who has no basis for anything they're saying? You know Nintendo doesn't go around telling third parties about their plans (or lack of plans) for any unannounced games, right... Right???I'm surprised that the first party thread hasn't picked this up
if post-Zelda really is a lull then I'll be wondering what the fuck happened to Tokyo
believe me, I'm not taking it as fact, but he does at least assert that it's based on industry coordinationPicked up on what? The dumb speculation of somebody who has no basis for anything they're saying? You know Nintendo doesn't go around telling third parties about their plans (or lack of plans) for any unannounced games, right... Right???
is it dumb speculation if he has sources though?Picked up on what? The dumb speculation of somebody who has no basis for anything they're saying? You know Nintendo doesn't go around telling third parties about their plans (or lack of plans) for any unannounced games, right... Right???
Yeah, I’d be really surprised if we hear nothing from Nintendos larger-scale EPD projects besides Zelda in 2023. Its just SO long since Odyssey, MM2 etcI'm surprised that the first party thread hasn't picked this up
if post-Zelda really is a lull then I'll be wondering what the fuck happened to Tokyo
Mario Maker is dead: the director left the company. With any luck Hino went straight to Pikmin 4Yeah, I’d be really surprised if we hear nothing from Nintendos larger-scale EPD projects besides Zelda in 2023. Its just SO long since Odyssey, MM2 etc
believe me, I'm not taking it as fact, but he does at least assert that it's based on industry coordination
...but if they were making a super switch why would they tell anyone
believe me, I'm not taking it as fact, but he does at least assert that it's based on industry coordination
...but if they were making a super switch why would they tell anyone
He doesn't. He is bullshitting. You can tell because the things he's saying are obviously nonsense, and he's offering laughable justifications when called out on the obvious fact that nobody would even have access to this information in the first place.is it dumb speculation if he has sources though?
Highly unlikely that they'll reuse the dock?This is a One Weird Fact(tm) that gets lost in the discussion sometimes, when the new dock gets brought up. The 39W power output is kinda sorta a lie.
Nintendo uses off the shelf components to built the dock. They upgraded some of those components. Those components now allow disabling the USB ports in order to pass all power over to the Switch. Legally, this requires changing the power rating on the device in most countries.
It is highly unlikely that Nintendo intends to 1) reuse the Dock with Lan port 2) not allow USB peripherals with Drake. If Drake uses that level of power, it probably will not reuse the dock, and if it reuses the OLED dock, it will not draw that level of power. That is putting aside the decent chance that 30+ Watts would require active cooling in the dock, not just additional ventilation. The tiny little fan that is possible in a switch formf actor can't dissipate that much heat
A bigger question is where in the hell would you put that additional wattage? You still have to run a handheld mode, and you want to keep CPU clocks the same at both modes, and the absolute tip-top-barber-shop power draw I can imagine for handheld mode is 12W. That means you need to spend an extra 18W on GPU clock speeds alone.
We can use the Nvidia power estimator for Orin to make reasonable estimates about power consumption for Drake. The difference between the Orin GPU at low load and the lowest supported clock, and high load on the highest supported clock is just 14.5W. There isn't anyplace to put 30W of docked power.
Yeah, honestly? I'm taking this and running with it.and those things still don't actually say if anything or nothing is coming. marketing is still the last to know unless you're on the top of the list
I like the way you thinkYeah, honestly? I'm taking this and running with it.
His information includes two things:
It's time for an upgrade.
There is no marketing being done for anything after Zelda.
This to me implies, HEAVILY, that 2023 H2 is being kept under wraps, which in turn, implies to me that it's like that to avoid revealing a precious cornerstone of 2023 marketing.
I believe that cornerstone to be the next Switch, with reveals and marketing, even briefs, for games after May held back until the next Switch is revealed.
Brand New Switch
Zelda TOTK
Splatoon 3 Expansion
Xeno 3 Expansion
Pokemon Expansion
Mario Kart DLC
Switch Sports DLC
Advance Wars 1+2
Metroid Prime Remake
Fire Emblem Remake
Pikmin 4
Donkey Kong Next
Switch games now in 4K
3rd Parties now on Switch
That should be more than enough to keep momentum up next year.
I'm going to try and dispel some negativity with some facts... And then some speculation.There’s a scenario where Nintendo waits so long to release their next hardware that it isn’t actually as powerful or impactful anymore as it would have been in 2022 or 2023. If we’re talking 2024 and it’s drake then it won’t be as impressive as it would be right now. We’ll probably have a new SteamDeck by that point.
I’d also be concerned that Nintendo is going overlong with Switch as they did with the Wii. They launched Wii U when Wii sales had completely dropped off and momentum had been lost. It’s would be crazy if they made that same mistake again.
I'm going to try and dispel some negativity with some facts... And then some speculation.
Fact: Nintendo's wording has changed, previously stating they are not launching a new system in a given fiscal year, they have now begun referring to the next generation console as simply being "not ready" to be talked about yet.
Speculation: This implies to me that this device is set for a reveal this fiscal year, or they would not have reason to change their wording.
Fact: The Nvidia leak is real, regardless of moral implications, and so we know with some confidence about the core count and memory configuration of the new device, and from which we can extrapolate minimum clocks.
(Credit to oldpuck for working it out to be around 1TF minimum before the new chip becomes inefficient.)
Fact: Nintendo has patented and refreshed parents around AI upscaling using Nvidia tensor cores.
Speculation: This means that the next system will probably use Tensor cores, and there is the fact that Nintendo Switch parents came out shortly before release, implying this device is closer than some think.
Fact: Nintendo released a system update for Nintendo Switch which includes mentions of 4K, a new type of patch called a DataPatch, and a new I/O function.
Speculation: None of these appear to be for the existing Nintendo Switch system and thus imply a new system.
Fact: Nvidia has merged support for the chip we know from the leak supports NVN2 upstream into the Linux kernel.
Speculation: it is likely that this means the chip is in production.
Fact: A factory leaker accurately predicted the reveal date of the Splatoon 3 OLED Model, and stated that two OLED Model special editions were planned for this year, which came to pass. They also mentioned a new backplate for a different Nintendo Switch which we have seen nothing official for.
Speculation: this backplate is for the Drake Switch as there is little other explanation. This would imply the device was in fabrication pre-assembly in summer 2022.
Fact: Insiders have claimed late 2022 to early 2023 for a long while, and were correct about many details of the original Switch. Based on this and their general unity on this timeframe I see no reason not to believe them.
Fact: Someone who claims to have industry connections claims that it is time for an upgrade, and that there has been little or no noise around games coming out after Tears of the Kingdom.
Fact: Nintendo has stated they wish to avoid the fiasco of the move from Wii to Wii U.
Speculation: This means they don't want to let Switch die off before the next console arrives.
Combining these, I speculate:
This device is in manufacturing, the chip's first fabrication run has likely started, and assembly must begin soon or has already begun. This would line up for a launch in H1 2023, and given their history and the existence of Golden Week and American Tax season spending, as well as the drop off in consumer spending during summer months, I believe this points to a March or April launch with a January or February reveal. There has been nothing with the veracity or volume of things pointing to H1 2023 that suggests any later. Some of these, such as mentions by someone with connections in marketing, may in fact point to the device launching as more likely rather than less.
For these reasons I still think a H1 2023 release is more likely than any other timeframe, with March or April being the most likely.
Interesting insight from Chris Ding (who presumably has contacts at retailers):
That would be a great year, but most of these are either DLC, not confirmed or even rumored.Brand New Switch
Zelda TOTK
Splatoon 3 Expansion
Xeno 3 Expansion
Pokemon Expansion
Mario Kart DLC
Switch Sports DLC
Advance Wars 1+2
Metroid Prime Remake
Fire Emblem Remake
Pikmin 4
Donkey Kong Next
Switch games now in 4K
3rd Parties now on Switch
That should be more than enough to keep momentum up next year.
That would be a great year, but most of these are either DLC, not confirmed or even rumored.
Valve can release a new Steam Deck every two years if they want, Nintendo can't do much about that but it's not like it matters unless it genuinely goes mainstream.There’s a scenario where Nintendo waits so long to release their next hardware that it isn’t actually as powerful or impactful anymore as it would have been in 2022 or 2023. If we’re talking 2024 and it’s drake then it won’t be as impressive as it would be right now. We’ll probably have a new SteamDeck by that point.
I’d also be concerned that Nintendo is going overlong with Switch as they did with the Wii. They launched Wii U when Wii sales had completely dropped off and momentum had been lost. It’s would be crazy if they made that same mistake again.
Interesting insight from Chris Ding (who presumably has contacts at retailers):
I would like to think that a new Mario game will be announced and released in 2023 to pair up with the Mario movie...I am sure there will be a big demand for Mario games when the movie is released.Brand New Switch
Zelda TOTK
Splatoon 3 Expansion
Xeno 3 Expansion
Pokemon Expansion
Mario Kart DLC
Switch Sports DLC
Advance Wars 1+2
Metroid Prime Remake
Fire Emblem Remake
Pikmin 4
Donkey Kong Next
Switch games now in 4K
3rd Parties now on Switch
That should be more than enough to keep momentum up next year.
Those Pokemon Scarlet/Violet reviews are a big YIKES. Performance and visuals look atrocious. Come on Nintendo, people want new hardware. This is reaching pathetic level now (Pokemon company also gets some of the blame).
When does this shit become unacceptable?
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How old was the X1 when Switch released? 2 yrs? I remember haters mocking Switch because the X1 was ”old” by that point.There’s a scenario where Nintendo waits so long to release their next hardware that it isn’t actually as powerful or impactful anymore as it would have been in 2022 or 2023. If we’re talking 2024 and it’s drake then it won’t be as impressive as it would be right now. We’ll probably have a new SteamDeck by that point.
I’d also be concerned that Nintendo is going overlong with Switch as they did with the Wii. They launched Wii U when Wii sales had completely dropped off and momentum had been lost. It’s would be crazy if they made that same mistake again.
You are right. Fortunately, I didn't say thatHighly unlikely that they'll reuse the dock?
Come on now, there's been plenty of reasons to believe that they could reuse it, you can't just say it's unlikely without backing. It's not a matter of fact.
I believe that Nintendo will reuse the OLED Dock, and that they will not break USB peripherals when they do so. This sets a cap on how much power is available to docked mode below the 39W that the OLED dock is rated for.It is highly unlikely that Nintendo intends to 1) reuse the Dock with Lan port 2) not allow USB peripherals with Drake.
I also believe that increased power draw is likely. You mentioned 30W, I wanted to illustrate why that is unreasonably high, so we could discuss what it might actually be.Nor did I say 30W was the only option- but that increased power draw seems possible, and to me, seems even likely
I didn't mean to accuse you of lying - I was meaning to accusing the packaging of being deceptive.. Furthermore, 14.5W... fits within 30W! That doesn't disprove it, it means that it's technically possible, if unlikely.
And last the USB ports WOULDN'T be starved at 30W, because the maximum output is 39W. Calling the fact that the new Dock has the ability to provide the console with far more power in any sense a "lie", is, well, lying
Again, I agree with you. It seems likely that reusing the existing built up dock is the correct call, and it does seem beautifully overengineered. I never once stated that I believed that Nintendo was not going to reuse the OLED dock. Just that Nintendo wasn't going to break the USB ports in the process.. Though I suppose that depends on whether this "power passthrough" mode depends entirely on severing all power to USB A ports- which even then, could leave room for the use of this power profile for fast charging.
There's little reason for them to overbuild a dock, to change the design in ways that don't make it cheaper, to improve its ventilation and power delivery capabilities.'
The new dock offers a wired LAN port. It's supposed to be a premium feature. The LAN port necessitates the other changes. I never suggested that the new dock was cheaper or easier to source.Sure this could be just "off the shelf" coming into play, but if these are the components available, why wouldn't they have changed the base model to come with this new Dock if the parts are easier to source?
January 2015How old was the X1 when Switch released? 2 yrs? I remember haters mocking Switch because the X1 was ”old” by that point.